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    Looking for graphics card advice for AC Unity

    I've been saving up for a new graphics card, I intend to have a decent one for AC Unity when it comes out. I currently have Nvidia GeForce GTX 560. AC4 runs okay on medium settings, haven't played Watch Dogs yet, but I know I'm lagging behind in the graphics department.

    Been thinking about GTX 760 or 780 for a replacement, but if you guys have suggestions for better cards within my price range (~250-400 euros), I'm all ears. Anyone who has played Watch Dogs maxed out for example, what would you recommend? Do you think a card that can run W_D fine will be good enough for Unity? Or is W_D a bad example with all its optimization issues?
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    well to be honest, WD could have been much more better, the 3GB Vram for Ultra textures is not justified at all and there is no use of Dx 11.2 and tiled resources, that without talking about proper PC optimization, IMO, as long as any game supports XBox 360 and PS3, then all ports will be like that. luckily though, ACU will only support next gen and PC, its the first game to do so, so i'm not sure how optimized this game will be, but sure thing it will be alot better than previous games.

    GTX 780 should be more than enough to run any game maxed out @ 1920 x 1080, but if i were you, i would wait couple of months or until game release, Nvidia will be releasing new set of maxwell cards, so i'm guessing GTX 870 which will give you GTX 780 performance for lower price, plus you might get more than one game for free with a new Nvidia promotion, though i'm sure ACU will be included within a new promotion whether they released a new line of cards or not, thats the trend since AC3.

    however, you still have the option to go with AMD, R9 290 is the best bang for the buck now for 100$ less than 780 and gives you better performance in most benches, unless if you want Nvidia, thats a user preference.

    Anyway, you know that 560 is PCIEx 2.0, so you need PCIEx 3.0 for the new card to take full advantage of it without bottlenecking it, thats also apply on the CPU as well.
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    I've been happy with Nvidia all these years, and I've heard AMD cards sometimes have compatibility issues with certain games, so I'mma stick with Nvidia. I will definitely wait a month or two before upgrading, a little patience can make a big difference in price. Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
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    Originally Posted by SixKeys Go to original post
    I've been happy with Nvidia all these years, and I've heard AMD cards sometimes have compatibility issues with certain games, so I'mma stick with Nvidia. I will definitely wait a month or two before upgrading, a little patience can make a big difference in price. Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
    A GTX 780 will be an excellent replacement. Once the 800 series comes out then the 700s will be a lot cheaper because the new ones are on a new architecture. So either wait for a bit and get a GTX 870, or you can buy a GTX 780. Also don't forget the 780 Ti, that's the most powerful single-GPU gaming card there is right now if I'm not mistaken and the price will drop significantly once the new cards are out. I recommend you wait for the GTX 870, the 560 as long as it's kept clean and cool should give you good results for the rest of this year.
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    Originally Posted by playlisting Go to original post
    A GTX 780 will be an excellent replacement. Once the 800 series comes out then the 700s will be a lot cheaper because the new ones are on a new architecture. So either wait for a bit and get a GTX 870, or you can buy a GTX 780. Also don't forget the 780 Ti, that's the most powerful single-GPU gaming card there is right now if I'm not mistaken and the price will drop significantly once the new cards are out. I recommend you wait for the GTX 870, the 560 as long as it's kept clean and cool should give you good results for the rest of this year.
    Thanks for the help! I'm not sure what the differences are between all the different models, or whether any particular one might be more suited for my current rig. Can you tell me if the 780 Ti seems good for this setup?

    Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium
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    Originally Posted by SixKeys Go to original post
    Thanks for the help! I'm not sure what the differences are between all the different models, or whether any particular one might be more suited for my current rig. Can you tell me if the 780 Ti seems good for this setup?

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    RAM is fine. I'd get a new CPU if I were you though. I recommend getting an i5 2500K. The processor you have right now would bottleneck a 780. Just had a look on eBay and the 2500K is selling for around £100 - £150.

    In fact, if you buy an i5 2500K and a GTX 770, you'd be fine for easily 2 or 3 years, probably longer.
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    2500K isnt much of an upgrade over 750 if you consider overclocking (otherwise why get K). And if you dont than Haswell is much better (or at least on par if you do) bc of higher performance per clock and better chipsets.
    At this point I dont think I5 is really future proof. With consoles having 8 cores multi-threading can hit soon, just like some games already require 3+ GB of VRAM. So I would suggest to either stick to 750 (bc its still a decent CPU) or get i7 haswell
    As for GPU, last AC games are notorious for poor performace on ATI. Waiting for high-end maxwells sound like a good idea, but they probably be delayed untill next year. If you want something right now I would suggest looking at 770 4GB or 780 Ti.
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    I've got an i5 3570k (the system was shipped running at 4.5 but I set it back to standard) Nothing wrong with OC as long as other components are good enough... plus it's benefits are not huge in game enjoyment but great in video rendering.
    Mine runs at 3.4 (turbo upto 3.8)plus losing the water cooling for a fan saved me £100 which paid for my last 6 games but I could have used that extra £100 to buy a better CPU. Anyway the 3570k runs all ac games very well and Watch Dogs looked good (although the game itself is a fail for me.... part played and binned).
    Back to your original question though... as Yaz said I'd go for the gtx 870 just because (in spite of their major driver problems which have burnt out a few GPU's plus ruined games for me) I still like nvidia and my 670 is too old now and I'm looking at buying a gtx 870.
    There's nothing wrong with AMD but Ubi work with Nvidia so usually AMD play catch up with their drivers, likewise for nvidia and games that get developed with AMD... but the R9 290 is very impressive at an incredible price
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    Originally Posted by strigoi1958 Go to original post
    my 670 is too old now and I'm looking at buying a gtx 870.
    670 is not old, 700 series are just 600 series refresh (not all models but most), i dont think Maxwell will bring anything new to the table except same cat and mouse game, 870 GTX = 780 GTX performance with same price and lower power consumption, also an ARM core which i dont think it will make a difference in the time being since game development is already behind current tech and limited to next gen consoles.

    i consider all 600 series owners are lucky because 700 series didnt bring anything new to the table, so its like same generation, if i were you, i would totally skip maxwell and get second 670 GTX for SLI, or upgrade on Pascal.
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    780 Ti is faster than 690 (dual-GPU card) in most real life cases. So 700 is much more than 600 refresh.
    870 will be cheaper and less power hungry, thats enough reason to wait for it IMO.
    You just made some assumption bc 770 is simply 680 with higher clocks and lower price. But thats bc 680 wasnt projected to be high end, otherwise it would not be called GK104. Nvidia uses this codename pattern: G = GPU, K - Kepler acrhitrcture, 1 - major acrhitecture revision, 0 - minor architecture revision, 4 - middle (0 - high end, 7 - low end, sometimes they also use other numbers).
    Maybe nvidia got scared of how good (compared to Fermi) Kepler is and wanted to milk the market first or just had some big issues producing enough GK100s (the real 680) but this chip was never released.
    Anyway, getting 2nd 670 isnt smart. 2GB of VRAM is already an issue in more than just 1 game. And single stronger GPU will always be better than SLI made of weak cards.
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