1. #21
    Bassie52's Avatar Senior Member
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    It's 20freakin12 ...there are hundreds of game programs on tv and lots of i-net gaming sites these days... next to that, they make tons of commercials..and there is also x-box marketplace..
    Kids these days are all over i-net with there i-phones and what not..they don't even know, or give a rats *** about some hardcore fans.
    You are important, but in the end ubisoft don't depend on a couple of hardcore fans to sell there games!..

    The old gamers are in a hughe minority here..there are far more young gamers now, then there are old gamers..and there are also a lot of old gamers like me, who don' reallyt mind some of these changes..(some changes)
    It has to be faster and easier and with hughe movie like explosions and crap..to pay the bill

    And about the optional things...you don't know for sure if it's possible or not, because the game's not out yet..they also told us that there won't be a hardcore mode and i just saw a vid that shows that campaign does have a elite mode...
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    Originally Posted by AI.BLUEFOX Go to original post
    Assuming a population of 10 million copies of this game are sold - beating GRAW by a factor of 5 and making this a run away success - then 200 or so voters mean we can have a 99% confidence (higher than the usual 95%) that between 94% and 100% of the entire population, all 10 million, would want customisation.
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    That is a completely silly thing to say.
    "Two hundred voters on the forums speak for ten million."
    No, just no.
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    Originally Posted by ChaosIsaac Go to original post
    That is a completely silly thing to say.
    "Two hundred voters on the forums speak for ten million."
    No, just no.
    That's like saying just because you have a 50/50 chance of a coin landing on "heads" - that the rest of the world's chances aren't going to reflect that, because there are millions of people out there, and who knows, you just can't know.
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    Originally Posted by bakesalee Go to original post
    That's like saying just because you have a 50/50 chance of a coin landing on "heads" - that the rest of the world's chances aren't going to reflect that, because there are millions of people out there, and who knows, you just can't know.
    There's always a chance the coin lands on it's side and stays there instead of falling over.
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    Originally Posted by Auztinito Go to original post
    No comment.Request for thread to be closed.Have enough negative threads.
    Agreed 100%.

    Originally Posted by kingGILLEY Go to original post
    Troll^^^ request member to be temporarily banned.
    You're calling him a troll? Oh, the irony.
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    @ bluefox
    1 forums are a gathering of people with the same interests..nothing special
    2 i also want customisations, everyone does, but i'm only reacting on the OP's thread, because he's talking about how hardcore fans make or brake this game and with socom 4 as an example.
    and with that, he is the one who creates a hardcore vs casual debate and i am correcting that.
    3 your calculation is great, but how about all those years of hardcore fans talking on forums about how GR should be after GRAW, with hughe posts and polls and what not..and yet the game is still completely different from what they want??...doesn't that ring a bell?..
    Zipper turned socom 4 in to crap..with or without customisation..don't need a hardcore fan to tell me that..IT'S CRAP!
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    Don't worry. Ubisoft will get the well deserved wake up call when this game gets hammered in reviews and sells poorly. Maybe then they will realize that simply coping other games will surely result in failure when you don't have talent equal to those behind the entity you're emulating. Like I stated since the start of the beta, this will surely be this year's Socom 4.
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    Originally Posted by bonnie07 Go to original post
    Don't worry. Ubisoft will get the well deserved wake up call when this game gets hammered in reviews and sells poorly. Maybe then they will realize that simply coping other games will surely result in failure when you don't have talent equal to those behind the entity you're emulating. Like I stated since the start of the beta, this will surely be this year's Socom 4.
    I don't think I have read one bad preview of this game for MP, Guerilla or SP so I think bad reviews will be in the very small minority. I anticipate this game getting high 80's possibly low 90's. The fact that some fanboys are peeved about not getting their questions answered is a drop in the ocean. Its also a fact that most people who played the beta and those who will buy the game never will come on to these forums. You all slate the game and the devs but at the end of the day you will buy the game and either like it or you wont, you will either stick with it or you wont, who cares!!!. And try informing the general populous of your "talents" before you start mumbling about other peoples failings.
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    95% of people that play this beta will drop this game quicker than they picked it up come november 13.and leave the real ghost recon players with a dumped hacked broke game fact
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    Originally Posted by Bassie52 Go to original post
    yeah it's different then the first titles, but making a good lookin game these days, costs a sheitload of money..they are trying to find a balance between new and old type of gamer, to suport those costs. Everytime there's a new next gen console coming out, these games get more and more expensive to make..the 720 or ps4 wil even double these costs, so they better find a way to hit a bigger audience, or otherwise they loose a lot of money.you wil see small game companies having a really hard time in 2015..
    Your opinion is important, but you and your club of "hardcore" fans really don't pay the bill now do they..you are but a dot on the rader in comparison to the people who don't go to forums or have a clan...And stop comparing this with socom, because socom had crap written all over it..it's not even funny how they that game up..you can see and freakin smell that from miles away, with or without the "hardcore" fan base telling people or whatever..
    The thing is this game looks like ***.

    The only reason they can claim high production costs is because they went back to the drawing board back in 2010. The E3 2010 demo before scrapping it looks better then what they are releasing in two weeks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1vIOtXPC0

    If they would have stuck it out with that version of the game AND kept everything that made ghost recon franchise amazing, they would have no problem winning over both the casual crowd and the long time fans. Heck, that E3 2010 demo could be turned into a sick MP map that actually stays true to the ghost recon franchise instead of the tiny maps like mills and pipeline and horrible draw distances and line of sight. It could offer great cqc fighting in the town, mid range fighting between the beach and town and awesome sniper position in the hotel and two story office building.

    instead, they turned "ghost recon" (i use quotes because GRFS isn't a real ghost recon game imo) into a run and gun shooter. The moment people are using a sniper rifle as a cqc shotgun style weapon the game lost the label of being tactical or ghost recon in my eyes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIlHF1H3vSM&hd=1
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