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    I'd welcome some advice here. As I play SH3 more and more in career mode, up to about May '43 now, I am finding more and more convoys and task forces. Some by luck, some by judgement.

    Thing is, I always seem to get wrapped up in trying to sink the Corvettes and Destroyers that find me or I give myself away too shooting at them, that escort the convoys, and maybe get a shot or two at a juicy T3 or Troop Ship. I invariably end up shooting torps at crazy angles against closing warships, and have nothing with which to attack the convoy (and just my luck, weather too bad for Deck Gun attacks)

    Perhaps I'm impatient, I don't know. This is what I do:

    I try to get stick to night attacks, stay submerged as long as I can, and get as close as I can, all as quietly as I can!

    Anyone do anything different? anyone see what I am NOT doing?
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    I'd welcome some advice here. As I play SH3 more and more in career mode, up to about May '43 now, I am finding more and more convoys and task forces. Some by luck, some by judgement.

    Thing is, I always seem to get wrapped up in trying to sink the Corvettes and Destroyers that find me or I give myself away too shooting at them, that escort the convoys, and maybe get a shot or two at a juicy T3 or Troop Ship. I invariably end up shooting torps at crazy angles against closing warships, and have nothing with which to attack the convoy (and just my luck, weather too bad for Deck Gun attacks)

    Perhaps I'm impatient, I don't know. This is what I do:

    I try to get stick to night attacks, stay submerged as long as I can, and get as close as I can, all as quietly as I can!

    Anyone do anything different? anyone see what I am NOT doing?
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    Forget about sinking the escorts. It is a waste of time and ammo. Only if you in a very lucky moment could lure the escorts away from the convoy by sinking one of them, should you do it. In '43 you might as well start running away if the escorts find you.
    In short: evade and don't fight!
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    Sneak past the escorts and shoot at the big targets from longer distices. Dont worry about the 1000m thing they never see the fish coming. And get ahead of the convoy first. Good luck and Good Hunting, Wilhelm.
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    Thanks for your input guys.

    Where you say 'Get in front of the convoy' do you mean get in front and sit still? wait for them to come to you?

    I'd appreciate any help here, I've got some saved games I could revisit and really get some tonnage, I hope!
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    yea. It works for me.
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    Just get in the path of the convoy and wait for the ships to cross you. I am in '43 also and I don't even try and mess with the escorts. All the convoys I see have got about 4-8 of them and it just isn't worth the odds.
    Try firing at a few targets then get in the middle of the convoy and usr their collective "noise" to hide you from the escorts while you reload. If you can be successful at this a few times when the convoy moves on you should have some juicy stragglers to finish off at your will.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
    I'd welcome some advice here. As I play SH3 more and more in career mode, up to about May '43 now, I am finding more and more convoys and task forces. Some by luck, some by judgement.

    Thing is, I always seem to get wrapped up in trying to sink the Corvettes and Destroyers that find me or I give myself away too shooting at them, that escort the convoys, and maybe get a shot or two at a juicy T3 or Troop Ship. I invariably end up shooting torps at crazy angles against closing warships, and have nothing with which to attack the convoy (and just my luck, weather too bad for Deck Gun attacks)

    Perhaps I'm impatient, I don't know. This is what I do:

    I try to get stick to night attacks, stay submerged as long as I can, and get as close as I can, all as quietly as I can!

    Anyone do anything different? anyone see what I am NOT doing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm in my second long career (starting Jan 1942) - after several very short ones in which I was killed early. One of the things that helped me live long enough to get a Type XXI last time was a strong aversion to risk. If the angle of your attack is bad, abort and reposition. Generally, I would attack at night if possible.

    Go for the easiest, highest-value kill, with the emphasis on easiest. If there is a C2 you can hit with minimal risk versus a T3 than entails signficant risk, go for the C2. To paraphrase the old saying, there are old U-boat captains and there are bold U-boat captains but there are no old, bold u-boat captains.

    It was only near the end of the career that I discovered how easy it is to make sonar/hydrophone attacks from ridiculously long ranges. Just fire a spead of ladder search torps into the center of a convoy and you're bound to hit something. If you don't kill it outright, you'll likely slow it down and when it falls behind then you kill it at your leisure.

    These tactics won't get you huge tonnages on a patrol. If you manage 15K - 20K with a Type IX consider it a good patrol. Of course, if you ignore convoys and only go for single ships, you'll do better, but convoys are a challenge.

    Incidentally, once you get homing torps you'll want to buy a couple to deal with escorts. Then your score will probably go up.

    Note: from reading one of the actual intel debriefs of a U-Boot's crew (link posted on this forum) I learned that a sub in the Med had a large number of homing torps and ladder torps. In the game, the renown cost of so many of these would be crushing after a couple of patrols. Also of interest was that the sub's sensor suite was somewhat lacking - in particular it had no radar but it did have radar detection for very short wave. Seems that if this represented the common situation then torp costs are way off - in the sense of being too high. Likewise, radar is too cheap. I suppose that the real reason that radar might not have been used is that if not used very sparingly, it would have alerted the enemy to the U-Boot's location. This is actually the reason the F-117 Nighthawk doesn't have radar.
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    I usually get in front of a big convoy, go down to 100m and monitor the escorts. as they pass overhead I go up to scope depth. this takes about 10-15 minutes in real time. You learn to position yourself with sonar so that you end up between the lanes. I would scan for a juicy tanker(s) popping the scope up and down until i'm ready. You might be able to get 3 ships on each pass but after shooting it's back to 100m and out the back corner of the convoy to reload.
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    Brilliant reading guys, thanks for all your help, now if the wife would just get off the PC (I am on the wireless laptop writing this) I could get stuck in!!

    Thanks again, can't wait to try out what you have sugessted. Seems I was approaching it all wrong!
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