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    MB_Avro_UK's Avatar Senior Member
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    Hi all,

    The Rolls-Royce British Merlin engine powered the Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster and the Mustang.And others.

    The first Mustangs were purchased by the RAF from the USA. They were powered by US Allison engines and the Mustang at that point was a 'dog' so I've read.(Why did the US give an engine a girl's name... ).

    A bright spark in the RAF suggested that the Mustang should be powered by a British Rolls-Royce Merlin engine.

    Who was that RAF bright spark?

    The rest is history as thay say.

    The Mustang was a combination of excellent US design and the marriage of Rolls-Royce technology.

    And Mustang sounds far better than P-51


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    Allison is the name of the manufacturer, not the name of the engine. Technically it is a V-1710.

    Allison did not use names for their engines, unlike RR(Merlin), Pratt & Whitey(Wasp), Wright(Cyclone), etc...

    The real Achilles heel of the Allison V-1710 was not the engine itself, it was actually quite a good basic package. It was it's lack of a two speed, two stage supercharger that hindered it's high altitude performance. When given a turbo-supercharger arrangement (as in the P38) it was more than capable of making high power at altitude.

    It should also be noted that the Allison engined P51s and A36s were no slouches at the altitudes the engines were tuned for.

    Just coming to the defense of an engine that is wrongly maligned these days.
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    The name Mustang was first coined by an Englishman iirc, dont remember his name though.
    Also the bubble canopy was an English invention (the Malcolm hood). the P51 was the best British fighter the USA ever built
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    The Mustang was desighned by this man, A German!

    Edgar Schmued, German-American aircraft designer (1899 - 1985) was famed for his design of the iconic P-51 Mustang and, later, the F-86 Sabre.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Schmued
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    Don't know about winning the War.

    But 6 of them just flew over my head today and they certainly won my heart!

    BOBF. East Fortune Airshow.
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    Yes it did, simply because if it never had won the Battle of Britain everthing else would have been superflous as there would never have been any D Day landings or a second front allowing Mr Hitler to pour all his resources into Russia.
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    I'd say it did a big share of the war-winning but it did not power the U.S. heavies, the U.S. transports, and the aircraft of the USN---this represents a huge number of warplanes. The Merlin was the war winner in the darkest days from 1939-1941 powering the Spitfire, Hurricane, Whitley, some Wellingtons, and the Halifax. Being the powerplant of the Lancaster, Mosquito, and some of the later Spits carries big kudos. The Merlin Mustang killed the Luftwaffe in its crib, and removed it as a factor in German defense---this was one of the decisive campaigns of the war. The Merlin and the Griffin along with the 2000hp P&Ws were the finest engines in the Allied stable.
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    Originally posted by Freiwillige:
    The Mustang was desighned by this man, A German!
    Mr. Schmued was a citizen of the United States. Not a German.

    Enough of this bogus revisionism.

    And do remember that Germany was led down the garden path by an Austrian.
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    Originally posted by ElAurens:


    And do remember that Germany was led down the garden path by an Austrian.

    And not only that, the Germanic nation was going to be a pure born, blonde haired, blue eyed Aryan Master Race.... One wonders how Hitler, Goebels, Goering, Himler and the rest of the feeble half witted bunch of miscreants managed to have slipped through the Aryan net of the "Master Race"
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    Originally posted by ElAurens:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
    The Mustang was desighned by this man, A German!
    Mr. Schmued was a citizen of the United States. Not a German.

    Enough of this bogus revisionism.

    And do remember that Germany was led down the garden path by an Austrian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The best answer i've heard to this nonsense is the observation that the allies had better Germans than the Germans did.
    Eisenhower, Nimitz, Oppenheimer... just to name a few
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