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    Links for #112 Sqd...


    112 Sqdn planes, Damage and Losses 1939-1945

    Taken 01/03/41, Paramythia, Greece, left to right Pete Brunton, Jerry Westenra, Smithy, Bowker ?, me (Acworth)?, Browne

    standing Sgt Donaldson, "Jerry Harrison in the Standby tent, Gladiator RT-Y visible in the background but serial number unknown at this time

    Pilots of 112 Squadron at Yanina, Greece. Photo courtesy of Colleen Bowker and family
    (Left to right) Pilot Officer Robert Haldane "Mac" McDonald, Flying Officer Acworth and Pilot Officer Bowker.

    Gloster Gladiator Mk. I RT Z N5829, Himare, Greece, 28 February 1941, Pilot Officer William "Cherry" Vale, of 80 Sqdn., shot down a G50 and a S.79 in this plane

    Flt Lt J. F. Fraser standing in front of N5627, coded RT-D, Yannina, Greece note the elephant carrying the log by his left shoulder (viewers right)

    The slogan on the elephant plaque read "Slow But Steady" the plaque survives to this day with only a bullet wound to one corner. The plane now carries the later style roundel.

    Photo supplied by Patricia Molloy daughter of Flt Lt Fraser

    Rare colour picture showing two Fiat CR.32s of 94a Squadriglia, 8o Gruppo Caccia in early 1940 at Castel Benito, Libya.

    An articles of the #80 Sqd in Greece...


    Pilots of 80 Squadron in early 1941 somewhere in Greece.
    (Left to right) Sergeant Edward Hewett, Pilot Officer William Vale, Flying Officer P. T. Dowding, Flying Officer F. W. Hosken, Flying Officer Trevor-Roper (84 Squadron), Flight Lieutenant "Pat" Pattle, Flying Officer Flower and Pilot Officer J. Lancaster.

    Also one more.... An airman's album... Hawker Hind's of 211 Squadron "1938".

    Link: http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/...n_s_album.html

    On the 211 Squadron flightline.
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    Anything on the great Pat Pattle appreciated!
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    I don't know how easy or hard to find it might be, but try looking for Roald Dahls book SOLO. The author of Books like Mathilda flew with either 80 or 112 squadron.
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    I think the name of Dahl's book is... Going Solo.

    Squadron Leader Marmaduke Thomas St John Pat' Pattle.

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    excellent pics of the gladiators (some of them not working though), which I haven't seen before.

    Vale was a skilled Glad ace who later flew the Hurricane. He is one the many "unknown" aces"

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    F19_Orheim... Might want to checkout the links for additional info and photos.
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    Excellent find! Thanks for posting, WD.
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    Link: http://cota.matrixgames.com/history/grecit.html

    The balance in the air is initially surprisingly close to even. The Italians are concerned enough about British and French intervention that they keep most of their modern planes in Italy or North Africa. The Greek invasion is initially supported by a little over a hundred fighter bi-planes, about equally divided between the early 1930s era Cr-32 and the more modern Cr-42. The Italians also have a little over a hundred reasonably good three-engine S79 bombers. In a pinch the Italians can pull in more of the roughly 200 Cr-42s that they have in service, or even some of the 100 to 150 low-wing monoplanes like the Fiat G.50s or Machi Mc200s that are starting to enter Italian service. The Italians do bring in a squadron or two of each of those fighters to give them a combat trial.

    The Greeks counter with around 45 fighter planes, most of them Polish-built PZL-P24f and P24g. They also have 9 French-built Bloch 151s, a faster and somewhat modern design. The Polish-built planes are high-wing monoplanes of a slightly more recent vintage than the Cr-32s. They are about 35 miles per hour faster and better armed than the older Italian Cr-32 fighters, but not as maneuverable. Unfortunately for the Greeks, the Pzl-24s are 30 miles per hour slower than the Italian S79 bombers. The Greeks don't have radar, and rely on a primitive spotter system to intercept Italian bombers. Given the small number of Greek fighters and their lack of speed, the Greeks have limited success in downing Italian bombers.


    On October 28, 1940, the Italians delivered an ultimatum to the Greek government that they either allow the occupation of their country by the Italian Army or they would be attacked. The ultimatum was rejected.

    October 28 - After only 2 weeks preparation, Italian troops were ordered to cross the Albanian-Greek border. Italian Generals were outraged at Mussolini's hasty plan. Mussolini chose to take Greece due to Germany's entry into Romania. Approximately 60,000 weathered Italian troops were pulled out of Albania to assist in the fall harvest in Italy. The majority of Italians who conducted this invasion were recruits. Seven divisions of the 9th and 11th Armies were used in the attack under General Visconti-Prasca. To make matters worse, Mussolini never authorized the use of the Navy or the Air Force to assist in this attack. This invasion coincided with the Greek rainy season when the weather dropped below freezing and many Italian soldiers did not possess winter boots.

    From the onset it was apparent that the Greeks intended to fight. The Italians advanced in a 4 pronged attack up to 25 miles into Greek territory. In every turn there seemed to be an ambush or a destroyed bridge. The Greeks then attacked 3 divisions strong and pushed the Italians back. With the assistance of England, who pledged support for Greece, the Royal Air Force pounded Italian installations in Greece and Albania, the Italians retreated back into Albania. One-third of Albania was now under Greek control.

    Greek Air Force... : http://uncleted.jinak.cz/minorafe.htm#Greece

    Greek PZL P.24 fighters: http://www.brushfirewars.org/aircraf..._p24_greek.htm

    Also... : http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Ace...0fighters.html

    PZLs aligned ready for action. The first one seems to be the P24F , D125

    Greek Bloch MB.151 C1 fighters: http://www.brushfirewars.org/aircraf..._151_greek.htm

    Also... : http://www.brushfirewars.org/aircraft/bloch_151_greek/p...och151_179_color.htm

    In the course of the Italian invasion the MB.151 achieved at least the four victories against the Italians and the Germans reproduced above. It is however possible that they were involved in more air battles that are not known because the BM.151s were as usual misidentified as Hurricanes.

    Greek Air Force use of the Gloster Gladiator during the Second World War: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/gladiator_greece.htm

    Greek Air Force use of the Avia B-534 during the Second World War: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/avia_greece.htm

    Link of Greek Air Victories: http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2gre.htm

    German Invasion Map of Greece...

    <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">What happens next?

    The Germans don't have to deal with cleaning up after the Italians in the Balkans in the spring of 1941. How much affect will that have on the German invasion of the Soviet Union? Shortly after the war, several authors claimed that the Balkan divergence cost Germany the war by delaying the start of their invasion just enough to keep them from taking Moscow before winter. That claim has been disputed lately, and it appears that the affect of the Balkans on the start date of Barbarossa was probably minimal.

    On the other hand, the German drive into the Balkans may have had more subtle affects on Barbarossa. It had to consume a certain amount of oil, and put a certain amount of wear and tear on trucks, tanks, and planes. The German assault on Crete used up the German airborne capability, along with a large number of transport planes. The Germans lost over 200 planes in that attack. The airborne capability would probably have been of some use to the Germans in Barbarossa, and the transport planes would have certainly been useful. Rommel and the men who in our time-line became Africa Korp would be running around in the Soviet Union. That might make some difference, but probably not that much.

    There is some indication that that operations in the Balkans slowed down German operations on the southern part of the front with the Soviet Union. Certainly the German offensive didn't progress as well in the south as it did elsewhere, but that may or may not have been tied to the Balkan offensive.
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    CFR Clark Sergeant 745462, Flight Lieutenant 173855 RAFVR
    24 March 191630 September 2003

    Posted to No. 211 (Bomber) Squadron RAF in September 1940 at the age of 24, he joined the Squadron in the Western Desert of North Africa, transferring with them to Greece later that year, and then on to Palestine in May 1941.

    Link: http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/...rk.html#Greece

    Established and operational at Paramythia (EL Cooper)
    In this shot there are six aircraft. The tail of a Blenheim is just visible on the left edge, mid ground. To its right are the dark wings of a single Gladiator, then 4 Hurricanes. Beyond the Hurricanes is the main encampment.

    Ernest Leonard Cooper 649413 RAFVR

    Link: http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/el_cooper.html

    Joseph Fraser in the cockpit of a Gladiator.
    Image kindly provided by Patricia Molloy.

    <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">PARAMYTHIA PATROL

    "Crowsnest calling Vidal Blue, I have messages for you,

    Orbit mudbank' Angels eleven, it's a CANT a thousand & seven

    It's heading east, but flying west, go wherever you think best.

    It sounds like a FIAT or is it a MERLIN? Perhaps you'd better go to Berlin.

    Orbit! Pancake! Scramble! Climb! A MESSERSCHMIDT! I'm sure this time.

    Oh blast you all, we're going mad, all this fuss for a single GLAD.

    Was it a fighter? Was it a STUKA? Sure it wasn't a Nile FELLUCCA?

    No! We will not orbit Rome, Damn you eyes we're going home"!

    J. F. Fraser Paramythia, Greece 28th March, 1941.


    "Hark! There goes the telephone sound of engines height unknown.

    Start up! Scramble! Take Off! No! Wait until I tell you so.

    Ring a bell, fire a pistol, Bandits circling over Bristol'.

    Twenty CANTS or else a BREDA. Did you hear me VIDAL leader?"

    F/O Dennis V.H. Smith Jannina, Greece, March 1941.
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    On October 22, 1940, the Italians delivered an ultimatum to the Greek government...
    Just a small correction. The ultimatum was delivered on 28 October 1940, a few hours before the attack. Not 6 days earlier...
    During those days, there was a dictatorship in Greece (since 1936), masterminded by the pro-German Greek king who appointed Metaxas as his "prime minister".
    The particular border, was guarded by units (Greek army relied on conscripts too) manned by the politicaly "undesirable", both officers and soldiers. -20 degrees Celsius in the winter should be a clue on why was that.
    Most casualties were caused by the extreme cold, not by bullets and bombs.
    The Italian attack was slowed down using "anorthodox " war tactics until the Greek army was assembled-which happened extremely fast, partly due to the fact that such an event was expected and partly because conscripts were showing up before they were even called.
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