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    ATI had finally lifted the NDA and benchmarks are coming out today for the X1800 series video cards. They are 6 months behind schedule, and now it seems way behind Nvidia in speed, especially in IL2. It looks like my 3 years of ATI support is coming to an end...

    Firingsquads X1800XL IL2 benchmarks:
    http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_..._xl/page10.asp

    The review of the new EVGA 7800 GT CO makes it look to be the best video card hands down for IL2 now (price/performance).
    http://firingsquad.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_7800_gt_...ion_review/page6.asp

    Both video cards have some graphical problems in IL2 so please don't turn this thread into a flame war between video card manufacturers.
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    svanen's Avatar Junior Member
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    ****, i was hoping that ati would beat nvidia in il2 this time, i'm not an ati fanboy, but i was hoping for some more performance.
    What about quality difference when running all high, wonder if ati's cards will make it look better.

    Will BoB be opengl or d3d?
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    Ouch, talk about a thumpin'. Man ATI better get it's act together or it's gonna go the way of Voodoo...

    Da Worfster
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    Originally posted by Worf101:
    Ouch, talk about a thumpin'. Man ATI better get it's act together or it's gonna go the way of Voodoo...

    Da Worfster
    Did you guys even read the article?

    The X1800 spanks the 7800 at high res/w AA/aniso in most games. However, Nvidia is still king with Opengl and games optimized for Nvidia. The other benchmarks show that ATI has definately got a nice card here. It is just not the best card for IL2 or PF.
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    Difference is marginal(3-5fps), significant improvement comes only at 2048x1024, a resolution that very few (can)uses, I'm really not impressed, ATI was late, it's still unavailable and is far too expensive to consider buying. Not to mention that 7800Ultra is due in early 2006...
    With lower price x1800 would be way more appealing, this way only 3DMark freaks will consider buying it.
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    Problem is.. some ATI fanboys(not you, not you and not you! put the gun down!) keep claiming their VGA runs FB far better than Nvidia.

    ATI is f*c*ing good gaming card but not that good in FB. Accept it.

    What I wonder is why they can't pull out enough OpenGL performance. It's maybe too hard or they don't care. But ATI lost a good customer again.
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    Originally posted by TooCooL34:
    Problem is.. some ATI fanboys(not you, not you and not you! put the gun down!) keep claiming their VGA runs FB far better than Nvidia.

    ATI is f*c*ing good gaming card but not that good in FB. Accept it.

    What I wonder is why they can't pull out enough OpenGL performance. It's maybe too hard or they don't care. But ATI lost a good customer again.
    Do they? What thread please? Anyway after reading your post I took my card out and stomped on it.Reinstalled my 4600 ti. Am I cool too now?

    : so please don't turn this thread into a flame war between video card manufacturers."

    Thats rich, post this this in the GD and then ask for it to not be a flame war.
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    hm
    so to sumerise, both the latest ones are fast, which is faster in which app seems to change... ati better when really heavily loaded.

    both will emputy ur wallets

    doesnt really matter what u buy it seems
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    Originally posted by TooCooL34:
    Problem is.. some ATI fanboys(not you, not you and not you! put the gun down!) keep claiming their VGA runs FB far better than Nvidia.

    ATI is f*c*ing good gaming card but not that good in FB. Accept it.

    What I wonder is why they can't pull out enough OpenGL performance. It's maybe too hard or they don't care. But ATI lost a good customer again.
    I don't know who does that.

    I've got a R9700Pro and its an excellent card by all rights. And its very fast in PF. My next purchase will be difficult. I like some of the work that ATI has done...but I see that nVidia is still king in the OpenGL arena.

    The optimized for nVidia thing boils me up a bit as I think thats a little over the top but thats whats going on...

    I'm not a fanboy either way. Prior to my current card, I owned a very excellent Asus GeForce 2 GTS and a Creative RivaTNT before that.

    The choice with the Radeon X1 series and the GeForce 7000 series will be a tough one. There are good reasons for buying both (seemingly so) options. But it seems if all you want is performance in the IL2 engine (or OpenGL in general) then the nVidia cards have the advantage.

    I'm sort of hoping to see that oft rumored ATI answer to OpenGL performance issues.
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    The major difference comes down to NV favoring OGL and ATI Drect3D. Also its only one review site tho FiringSquad has always shown unbiased balance to me. This has to be kept in perspective in how these cards sell on the gaming market at large. It€s a pretty awesome card as shown in Half-Life 2, Far Cry and Battlefield 2, all Direct3D. I don€t see the results as disappointing, both are worthy next-gen competitors. But ATI is late to the ballgame.
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