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GoldenBoy9999
01-19-2015, 05:19 AM
This thread is for any of your ideas about the historical era of the time and its contents. NOT for stories or gameplay. Me, Altair, Nami, and Alpha sparked this discussion on Skype and we decided to make this to share some of our knowledge and get more insight. I am personally very intrigued by this setting so I have jumped at any chance to discuss it.

The things we are looking for are ways to narrow down the time period, or understand some of the events or landmarks that took place at the time. This is not so much for wild theories, as it is for plausible things based on evidence;trust me, there's a lot.

I hope you enjoy discussing this, and may our knowledge expand with more screens of Victory and previews. I'll let my acquaintances take it from here.

Time Period Speculation:

We have deduced that the majority, if not all, of the game will take place from 1878 on wards although the era lasted from 1837 to 1901. This is due to the the fact that:

1. The construction on Big Ben was completed in 1858.
2. Electric street lighting in London began in 1878, as seen in the train station and on the street.

But there are other things that Alpha has noticed that would lead one to believe the game is set further in time. An ad can be seen for "Havelock Tobacco" in the last screen from Kotaku, among many others. We have traced this product to being sold in 1891, but these are minor details. Although, 1891 easily fits into the time frame.

The same goes for the American Watcu Company. We have traced it to 1881, another probable time.

Rodrick Bulmer:

We attempted to narrow down the time period even more by researching possibly one of the only ties to history visible in these screens. Alas, our searches for this Bulmer fellow (shown in the 2nd screen) were unfruitful as the only articles we could find on him were AC related. Thus, we have concluded Bulmer is a fictional character.

Monuments visible:

This is Saint Margaret's. The building Sam is seen sitting on in the first screen. The placement is very accurate and through my research on Google Earth, and heavy analyzation of the screen, I am sure that they are the same place.

You can also see a Google Earth pic of Westminster Abbey in the last pic. If you are unfamiliar with London, you may be surprised to find that it and the Notre Dame are very similar.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/GoldenBoy999/join4_zpsd4207682.jpg?1421643174081&1421643175730

Next up is Saint Paul's Cathedral. It is seen rising highly above the other buildings, so much so that I don't see how the scale is 100% accurate.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/GoldenBoy999/join1_zps5e1c766e.jpg?1421643175730

Lastly is the train station seen. This has been confirmed to be the Charing Cross Railway Station by Cornik22 because of it's location on the horizon in screenshot #1 and the distance between the two.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/GoldenBoy999/join2_zps3bc828fe.jpg?1421643175730

Actual train station:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/e/embankment_station/embankment(1894)old1.jpg

If you would like to learn more about London and explore like us, I highly recommend downloading Google Earth and exploring London. You can even position the camera so as to get Sam's POV from Saint Margaret's. Feel free to tell us what other landmarks may be in the game!

Technology:

Here are links to websites where you can learn more about the technological marvels of the time which I am intrigued. Lots of neat stuff here.

http://www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/victorians/inventiotimeline.html

http://inventors.about.com/od/timelines/a/Nineteenth_3.htm

Life for Londoners and Child Labor

This was a very dark point in history. Pollution, child labor, and general low quality of life were all present themes. Many people died from this "smog" that had grown rapidly from the Industrial Revolution and its factories. This should lead to a very dark Victory.

With the increased number of factories many owners turned to children as their means of labor. This led to Child Labor laws but for the children of this time, there was hardly any escape. Parents would send their children off to work for the extra money to get by, but it was very little. The conditions for these child jobs were horrible and many children would be sent home without a job or compensation if they were injured. There were even accounts of the factory owners beating the children to death in some instances.

You can learn more here:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/children_industrial_revolution.htm

http://webs.bcp.org/sites/vcleary/ModernWorldHistoryTextbook/IndustrialRevolution/IREffects.html

Alphacos007
01-19-2015, 05:22 AM
Ok, so my side of the research was based on Ads.

First, looking at one of the screenshots, I instantly saw these 2 two buildings with the huge letters:
http://puu.sh/eKyA5/ebd717f274.jpg
Unfortunately, these buildings do not exist anymore. They were brought down to give place to the Government Offices Great George Street building, which looks like this:
http://puu.sh/eKzNx/e32bc5de24.jpg
This is the crossroad nowadays:
http://puu.sh/eKABd/5ff031469e.jpg
I couldn't find an exact year for when the new building started beeing built, but the West end was completed in 1908 and the East end was completed in 1917. Considering it took 9 years to finish the second half of the building, I'd say it took at least other 10 to build the first part. Assuming that the map won't change through the game, that gives us certainty that the game won't go into the 20th century.

Now really going for the Ads:
In another screenshot, we can see the wall of a train station. There you can see many Ads, but most of them are really hard to read. Some took me quite some time to understand.

The first one I got was this, but unfortunately I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm just leaving it here as a curiosity, maybe someone better at researching than me can find info about it:

Gasby's***http://puu.sh/eKBnX/2fd284bf32.jpg

Then the second one, also easy to see, the American Watch Company:
http://puu.sh/eKBUV/cab2a66239.jpg
If you consider that the Ads are accurate, then this gives us the lowest year for the game in 1859, which was when Appleton Tracy & Company changed it's name to American Watch Company.

After that we are able to see these 2 other Ads:
http://puu.sh/eKCXV/45d4fbc948.jpg
http://puu.sh/eKD47/983b9f5de0.jpg
Unfortunately, these don't help us much:
Reckitt's Black Lead started to sell in 1850, and we already have a minimum date of 1859 because of the American Watch Company.
Havelock Tobacco was a very famous tobacco brand since 1810 untill the 20th century, so doesn't help much either, even though the only Ads I could find from them online were on a newspaper from 1891, so maybe that's the only time they actually decided to make Ads about the brand? Someone needs to go deeper into this. I found this pretty interesting Victorian collector's site with a page about this tobacco brand: Click here for the page. (http://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5046d7882162ef0d0c8b6ed1)
http://puu.sh/eKF1Z/4b17845ff0.jpg

Now the last Ad, that is the one making me doubt on the accuracy of such Ads. I know these screens were from Target Footage, not actually from the game, but one would expect them to make the target footage somewhat near to what the game should be, specially when it has so many details like this one.
http://puu.sh/eKFEl/34fb4050f3.jpg
Foster's Lager Beers were only made available to the public in 1889, but only imported to the UK in 1971. I don't see the point of someone Advertising their beer in London if they weren't sold there yet. So this makes me wonder, are the Ads actually accurate, or did Ubi just randomly got some old brands and put their Ads there? Only time will tell, I guess.

If anyone else can read other interesting Ads, or noticed that I missread one of these which I posted, please let me know! If I found and posted any wrong information about anything, feel free to correct me as well!

Namikaze_17
01-19-2015, 08:25 AM
As Golden & Alpha have given their information about the setting; I figure I'll include some of the historical figures we may encounter in the game whether in the Main story, Side missions, etc.


Isambard Kingdom Brunel: A civil engineer of the Victorian Era. He also built the Great Western Railway from Bristol to London. Known to have developed powerful steam ships.

Sir Titus Salt: A successful businessman that unlike other buisnessman, felt a general concern for the workforce.

John Stuart Mill: An utilitarian philosopher and supporter of radical / liberal politics and the emancipation of women.

Benjamin Disraeli: British prime minister and personal friend of Queen Victoria herself.

Charles Darwin: English naturalist; His published theory of Evolution was one of the greatest changes of the Victorian period.

George Stephenson: Father of the railways; He was known for making the first railways that changed the Victorian society and their means of travel.

Michael Faraday: A scientist who helped electricity become more practical in the Victorian Era.


These are just among the few I was most interested in.


There are more figures here to check out: http://www.biographyonline.net/people/famous/victorians.html


If you can, please dig deeper into these figures and find out what possible role they may serve whether it be Assassin, Templar, etc.


Thanks. ^__^

X_xWolverinEx_X
01-19-2015, 08:36 AM
there are going to be hats

VestigialLlama4
01-19-2015, 09:05 AM
I think the game will touch a lot on the social aspects. Victorian London was a very repressive period.

It was the beginning of Middle-Class Consumerist Civilization and Victorian ideals had a big impact around the world. So the ideal of family was Father-As-Head, Wife-As-Child-Bearer and obedient children. You also had a sharp class divisions, and generally people regarded working-class people as scum and there was this urban segregation that happened. It was also a racist period and Victorian London's engines were fed by the colonialist exploitation of people from different parts of the world. It was also a period where homosexuality and bisexuality was first given its contemporary names and there was the famous incident of Oscar Wilde's trial. There was a big Victorian underground of pornography and the like. A lot of double-standards and so on that we know of today come from this period.

So I think it would be interesting for an open world game to tackle all these different layers and sub-layers in a game.

Cornik22
01-19-2015, 12:28 PM
First of all, Goldenboy, great work!! I can see I'm not the only one doing this kind of research. Now, let me fill in some gaps.


An ad can be seen for "Havelock Tobacco" in the last screen from Kotaku, among many others. We have traced this product to being sold in 1891

In fact, there were several companies selling this tobacco, most of them from Australia (one example is Wiliam Cameron Bros & CO since 1872). It also came from New Zealand and Virginia, and it was very popular in the 1890's.


The same goes for the American Watcu Company. We have traced it to 1881, another probable time.

You mean the American Watch Company or Waltham Watch Company, which operated under that name between 1859 and 1885.


Thus, we have concluded Bulmer is a fictional character.

I agree, he can't be a real person.


Lastly is the train station seen. There are a few that could be this one, so I'm not going to guess on which it could be. But if you know a lot about London feel free to offer a suggestion.

This is not a suggestion, it has been confirmed to be Charing Cross Railway Station, which makes perfect sense if you consider where Fey starts in the demo and where he ends. This particular station opened on 11 January 1864. Again, another suggestion that the game will take place at a later date.

Plus:

- In the first picture, several carriages and one omnibus (the most common public transport at the time) can be seen, but no cars or tramways. This fits the 1880's / 1890's theory (it couldn't be much later, too).

- Londoner's fashion seen in those pictures fits the late victorian period.

I hope this helps ;)

emperior
01-19-2015, 12:49 PM
Can you please stop naming the character Samuel Fey? It has NEVER been confirmed that this is his name. It's a fan made name, please stop already.

marvelfannumber
01-19-2015, 01:00 PM
Can you please stop naming the character Samuel Fey? It has NEVER been confirmed that this is his name. It's a fan made name, please stop already.

So you know his official name already? No?

Samuel it is then.



Who knows anyway, the leaks were right about Arno's name last year I recall.

Namikaze_17
01-19-2015, 01:07 PM
Can you please stop naming the character Samuel Fey? It has NEVER been confirmed that this is his name. It's a fan made name, please stop already.

To be fair, no one knows the official name of "Samuel" at the moment.

And calling him Samuel Fey for right now is certainly better than always saying Victory's protagonist.


Who knows anyway, the leaks were right about Arno's name last year I recall.

True.

And the rumors about Shay were right as well.

But this is off-topic. ^__^

m4r-k7
01-19-2015, 02:21 PM
In order to get a feel of the era, look at some actual photographs that were taken during the 1870s-90s.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/28/article-2180284-143F12FA000005DC-97_634x360.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2676560.ece/alternates/s1227b/Street-Life-in-London-book.jpg
https://36.media.tumblr.com/853cbcc27dd4c2c935c208bc0605047a/tumblr_mj935k3Wvs1revtslo1_500.jpg

rrebe
01-19-2015, 02:40 PM
In order to get a feel of the era, look at some actual photographs that were taken during the 1870s-90s.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/28/article-2180284-143F12FA000005DC-97_634x360.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2676560.ece/alternates/s1227b/Street-Life-in-London-book.jpg
https://36.media.tumblr.com/853cbcc27dd4c2c935c208bc0605047a/tumblr_mj935k3Wvs1revtslo1_500.jpg

Very nice!

GoldenBoy9999
01-19-2015, 04:36 PM
Great job so far guys. These posts are what we're looking for. It is difficult to gather info from these screens at times, but a picture is worth a thousand words. :o

And things not directly related to the screens are welcome as well, like the pics of what Victorian London looked like for instance.


First of all, Goldenboy, great work!! I can see I'm not the only one doing this kind of research. Now, let me fill in some gaps.



In fact, there were several companies selling this tobacco, most of them from Australia (one example is Wiliam Cameron Bros & CO since 1872). It also came from New Zealand and Virginia, and it was very popular in the 1890's.



You mean the American Watch Company or Waltham Watch Company, which operated under that name between 1859 and 1885.



I agree, he can't be a real person.



This is not a suggestion, it has been confirmed to be Charing Cross Railway Station, which makes perfect sense if you consider where Fey starts in the demo and where he ends. This particular station opened on 11 January 1864. Again, another suggestion that the game will take place at a later date.

Plus:

- In the first picture, several carriages and one omnibus (the most common public transport at the time) can be seen, but no cars or tramways. This fits the 1880's / 1890's theory (it couldn't be much later, too).

- Londoner's fashion seen in those pictures fits the late victorian period.

I hope this helps ;)

Thanks so much! Compliments are always appreciated. I'm glad you think that it is good research.

Thank you for the info on the train station. Someone had mentioned the Charing before, but the name escaped me. Learning the exact name of the station is significant, and rewarding. The rest of this is very good as well!

dargor5
01-19-2015, 04:49 PM
Sorry I won't be adding much to the thread but what about first civ stuff?. What speculations are there about this that can be set in London?. Let me explain a bit better.

On every AC they have taken a myth or a mysterious structure and related it to First Civ stuff, for example, most recently Dead Kings, the temple lies on the kings tombs, and they used the ransacking and looting (which really happen) to justify the story on the DLC.

I'm not well versed on English history or London architecture, but for you guys that are, were can these things be set?

PS: I used to be a First civ and modern day story hater but after dead kings I feel more interested in it

GoldenBoy9999
01-19-2015, 05:14 PM
Sorry I won't be adding much to the thread but what about first civ stuff?. What speculations are there about this that can be set in London?. Let me explain a bit better.

On every AC they have taken a myth or a mysterious structure and related it to First Civ stuff, for example, most recently Dead Kings, the temple lies on the kings tombs, and they used the ransacking and looting (which really happen) to justify the story on the DLC.

I'm not well versed on English history or London architecture, but for you guys that are, were can these things be set?

PS: I used to be a First civ and modern day story hater but after dead kings I feel more interested in it

Good question. This actually links to the landmarks a little.

It is difficult to predict which areas will be related to the first civ. For example, in AC3 it was a nameless cave, and in Dead Kings it was the catacombs of Saint Denis. But I can make a few guesses.

If we are going off of underground places, then it could be the London Bridge catacombs, or maybe an offshoot from a deep underground railway tunnel. Both of these are mysterious and secluded places.

I was trying to think of places of power and although it's not in London, Stonehenge is very mysterious and has big potential for AC to put its historical "spin" on it. Who knows what kind of crazy ideas the writers may come up with.

Sorry, it's not much but if anyone else has something to add about this, feel free.

DisbandedBox359
01-19-2015, 05:14 PM
Sorry I won't be adding much to the thread but what about first civ stuff?. What speculations are there about this that can be set in London?. Let me explain a bit better.

On every AC they have taken a myth or a mysterious structure and related it to First Civ stuff, for example, most recently Dead Kings, the temple lies on the kings tombs, and they used the ransacking and looting (which really happen) to justify the story on the DLC.

I'm not well versed on English history or London architecture, but for you guys that are, were can these things be set?

PS: I used to be a First civ and modern day story hater but after dead kings I feel more interested in it

After reading this http://gadling.com/2011/12/24/8-must-see-temples-in-london-united-kingdom/ can't help but feel the temple church will be involved in some way

JamesFaith007
01-19-2015, 05:17 PM
Sorry I won't be adding much to the thread but what about first civ stuff?. What speculations are there about this that can be set in London?

If I remember correct there was no big settlement before Roman Londinium, just rural area and villages. So maybe they will use fact that London was center of world-wide Empire and there would be some Templar temple with FC relics from British colonies?

But if they let new hero travel around British Island, I think Orkney should be good choice, especially place with AC provocative name Tomb of Eagles (3150 BC).

RADAR__4077
01-19-2015, 05:32 PM
In order to get a feel of the era, look at some actual photographs that were taken during the 1870s-90s.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/28/article-2180284-143F12FA000005DC-97_634x360.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2676560.ece/alternates/s1227b/Street-Life-in-London-book.jpg
https://36.media.tumblr.com/853cbcc27dd4c2c935c208bc0605047a/tumblr_mj935k3Wvs1revtslo1_500.jpg

I can already see the 4inch diameter clothes lines running across every street :p

GoldenBoy9999
01-19-2015, 05:56 PM
More Landmarks of Victorian London not seen on screen

Because we only have one viewpoint screenshot, it is only speculation as to which other landmarks may appear in the game. But we are able to look up landmarks in teh surrounding area and devise which would make sense to be included in Victory.

The Crystal Palace

This building was built to house the Great Exhibition of 1851. Sadly, it was destroyed by fire in 1936 but that leaves it open as a possibility for Victory. This building would certainly be fun to climb on and see on the horizon. It also featured some grand interiors to take advantage of.

http://www.ric.edu/faculty/rpotter/cp-before.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Crystal_Palace_-_Queen_Victoria_opens_the_Great_Exhibition.jpg/220px-Crystal_Palace_-_Queen_Victoria_opens_the_Great_Exhibition.jpg

Westminster Abbey

I touched on this one before, but not in full detail. It is practically confirmed to be in the game as it is very close to Sam in the viewpoint screenshot, just not visible. It was constructed in the 10th century and still stands today. I personally think it looks very similar to The Notre Dame, so you can compare it to that to get an idea of it.

http://www.thethinkersgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Westminster_Abbey_-_Thomas_Hosmer_Shepherd.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Westminster_Abbey_Interior.jpg

Tower Bridge

It is possible that we could see the iconic Tower Bridge in Victory as it was built from 1886 to 1894, inside The Victorian era. We may not be able to use it functionally, but I'd still like to see this landmark of London.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Tower_bridge_London_Twilight_-_November_2006.jpg

Royal Albert Hall

This large concert hall opened in 1871 and has a capacity of 5,272. It is a very large building and I'd be happy to see it as well.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/RAH_Opening_1871_ILN.jpg

Buckingham Palace

This London residence and principal workplace of the monarchy of the United Kingdom was built in 1703 but expanded in the 19th century. This magnificent palace is right across the street from Sam's viewpoint in the first pic (you can probably see it from there) so it is very likely that this will be in the game. Fun fact: Wolve's ancestors helped build the palace.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Buckingham_Palace_from_gardens%2C_London%2C_UK_-_Diliff.jpg/350px-Buckingham_Palace_from_gardens%2C_London%2C_UK_-_Diliff.jpg

Tower or London

The Tower of London is a historical castle built in 1066 as part of the Norman Conquest of England. It is important to London's history. The outer walls were erected in the 13th century and the castle covers 12 acres total.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Aerial_Tower_of_London.jpg/400px-Aerial_Tower_of_London.jpg

These are some of the most important landmarks of the time, but there are others as well. Ubi is known to include many monuments in the games as seen by Unity's paris. They are everywhere you look. As always, if you have a landmark you think may be in the game, mention it.

D.I.D.
01-19-2015, 06:00 PM
After reading this http://gadling.com/2011/12/24/8-must-see-temples-in-london-united-kingdom/ can't help but feel the temple church will be involved in some way

It's not only Temple Church. The church is in a district called Temple due to the number of Templar landmarks it contains:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/974239-Detour-to-Surrey-please?p=10432213&viewfull=1#post10432213

It's certain we'll see all of these, plus Temple Bar.

GoldenBoy9999
01-19-2015, 06:05 PM
It's not only Temple Church. The church is in a district called Temple due to the number of Templar landmarks it contains:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/974239-Detour-to-Surrey-please?p=10432213&viewfull=1#post10432213

It's certain we'll see all of these, plus Temple Bar.

I thought of the same thing actually. With the Temple district and landmark in Unity, I thought this one may hold some significance as well. The connections between the two are eerily similar and it helps that the district had many artifacts of the Knight's Templar.

The only reason I didn't mention it is because it may seem too similar to Unity. Temple in Unity was already the base of Templar actions and held some first civ-ish things like the Sword of Eden.

RzaRecta357
01-19-2015, 06:21 PM
This is the type of stuff I remember going on around here. About time. Thanks for the info guys! Can't wait to see what we really learn as the game draws closer.

Locopells
01-19-2015, 06:52 PM
Trafalgar Square

Built 1820 - 1867 (including the column).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Trafalgar_Square_1890_-_ten_remaining_frames_by_Wordsworth_Donisthorpe.gi f/220px-Trafalgar_Square_1890_-_ten_remaining_frames_by_Wordsworth_Donisthorpe.gi f

I-Like-Pie45
01-19-2015, 07:01 PM
Assassination target: The Doctor

aL_____eX
01-19-2015, 07:14 PM
Golden

https://38.media.tumblr.com/cbe8ab0d2db0f00eb0211e8b5fbcc4b6/tumblr_n2p85tgq6l1tv4k5po1_r1_400.gif

Finally discussions again!!1!

SlyTrooper
01-19-2015, 08:07 PM
I like the idea of exploring London in AC, but due to the fact I've been there it doesn't interest me to talk about it.

The_Kiwi_
01-19-2015, 08:17 PM
Trafalgar Square

Built 1820 - 1867 (including the column).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Trafalgar_Square_1890_-_ten_remaining_frames_by_Wordsworth_Donisthorpe.gi f/220px-Trafalgar_Square_1890_-_ten_remaining_frames_by_Wordsworth_Donisthorpe.gi f

Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?
With all of London's landmarks, including Trafalgar, having been built in the same time period, I can't help but feel it won't be too different

Those photos posted from Victorian London reminds me just how modern the setting is, and how extremely close it is to being in the 20th century
It's really starting to put me off the game

ze_topazio
01-19-2015, 08:19 PM
I hope we can ride horses and carriages.

And Trams and Trains as passengers and maybe control them too.

Altair1789
01-19-2015, 08:44 PM
Can you please stop naming the character Samuel Fey? It has NEVER been confirmed that this is his name. It's a fan made name, please stop already.

I agree that his name is probably not Samuel Fey, but its better to call him that than to say Victory's Protagonist

Also, I found out that the sun was rising in that first screenshot :rolleyes: I thought it was setting but Namikaze thought it was rising, so I did some google earth magic and found out that the sun was rising

JamesFaith007
01-19-2015, 08:58 PM
I agree that his name is probably not Samuel Fey, but its better to call him that than to say Victory's Protagonist

Or we can call him Victor.

Short and fitting. :D

marvelfannumber
01-19-2015, 09:15 PM
Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?


Well it is kind of like modern London, just without all the ugly modern parts and much dirtier.

But I think it will feel different enough if they do it right.

Altair1789
01-19-2015, 09:16 PM
Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?
With all of London's landmarks, including Trafalgar, having been built in the same time period, I can't help but feel it won't be too different

Those photos posted from Victorian London reminds me just how modern the setting is, and how extremely close it is to being in the 20th century
It's really starting to put me off the game

I think it'll be refreshing and new, and I'll welcome that unless they don't go to a much earlier time period right after this game

m4r-k7
01-19-2015, 11:02 PM
Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?
With all of London's landmarks, including Trafalgar, having been built in the same time period, I can't help but feel it won't be too different

Those photos posted from Victorian London reminds me just how modern the setting is, and how extremely close it is to being in the 20th century
It's really starting to put me off the game

Actually, living in London, I wish it was less modern. For example, look at London nowadays

http://roadsofstone.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/gherkin-tower42-finsburysquare-from-citypoint-london-england-july2009-by-roadsofstone.jpg

Compare that to this:

http://now-here-this.timeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/GetFileAttachment2.jpg

Whilst Victorian London is definitely the most modern looking city we have seen yet in an AC title, I am really looking forward to it :) Victorian architecture is awesome.

rrebe
01-19-2015, 11:15 PM
The first one I got was this, but unfortunately I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm just leaving it here as a curiosity, maybe someone better at researching than me can find info about it:
http://puu.sh/eKBnX/2fd284bf32.jpg


To me it look's like Gasby's, not Casey's.

Alphacos007
01-19-2015, 11:25 PM
To me it look's like Gasby's, not Casey's.

You might be right, but it still doesn't lead anywhere on google :nonchalance:

Altair1789
01-19-2015, 11:35 PM
I'm trying to find some information about city and street life, but so far I haven't found anything other than what we're already expecting: orphans, kids working, rich getting richer, robberies, etc. So expect to find poor people and orphans living on the street. And sewage. Lots of sewage

rrebe
01-19-2015, 11:45 PM
You might be right, but it still doesn't lead anywhere on google :nonchalance:

I found an ad from 1896 that has Gasby's and some form of medicine in the same sentence, BUT it is from New Zealand..

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=ODT18960917.2.32.4
Gasby's "Wahoo" for all stomach, liver and kidney troubles. From all chemists and grocers

aL_____eX
01-19-2015, 11:51 PM
Gasby = Gatsby = DiCaprio as voice actor confirmed

wickywoowoo
01-19-2015, 11:54 PM
Side mission = killing monster who does not pay chimney sweeps.

X_xWolverinEx_X
01-20-2015, 12:24 AM
this is from me from the skype

The growth of the major industrial cities also caused water pollution. All too often, rivers that pass through urban areas became a receptacle for human waste products, both domestic and industrial. Sewage, as in most cities, was washed out into the streets where it found its way to the rivers with disastrous consequences.

In the first half of the 18th century, both London and Paris, the largest cities in Europe with respectively 1 and 2.4 million inhabitants by 1850, experienced a series of recurring epidemics of cholera and typhoid. In 1832 over 20,000 Parisians died in a cholera outbreak; London experienced similar outbreaks. This was caused by increasing amounts of sewage dumped into the Seine and Thames rivers.
London was infamous for its combinations of smoke and fog, combined in the word smog, and therefore earned the nickname “the Big Smoke”. All major cities suffered from smoke pollution and Edinburgh’s nickname, “Auld Reekie” refers partly to the sanitary situation of the town as well as to smoke pollution. The effects of air pollution brought cities to a halt, disrupting traffic but more dangerously also causing death rates to rise. During a week of smog in 1873 killed over 700 people in London.
http://www.eh-resources.org/timeline/timeline_industrial.html
and now to child labor
Children as young as six years old during the industrial revolution worked hard hours for little or no pay. Children sometimes worked up to 19 hours a day, with a one-hour total break. and they were treated like animals if they got to work late or did something wrong examples.



When I was seven years old I went to work at Mr Marshall’s factory at Shrewsbury. If a child became sleepy, the overlooker touches the child on the shoulder and says "come here". In the corner of the room there is an iron cistern filled with water. He takes the boy by the legs and dips him in the cistern, and then sends him back to work." Jonathan Downe interviewed in June 1832.



Sarah Golding was poorly and so she stopped her machine. James Birch, the overlooker, knocked her to the floor. She got up as well as she could. He knocked her down again. Then she was carried to her house.......she was found dead in her bed. There was another girl called Mary......she knocked her food can to the floor. The master, Mr. Newton, kicked her and caused her to wear away till she died. There was another, Caroline Thompson, who was beaten till she went out of her mind. The overlookers used to cut off the hair of any girl caught talking to a lad. This head shaving was a dreadful punishment. We were more afraid of it than any other punishment for girls are proud of their hair." An interview in 1849 with an unknown woman who worked in a cotton factory as a child

Quote from a boy age 8: "I never got stuck myself but some of my friends have and were taken out dead."

Quote from Sweep Master: "I have two boys working for me. After work their arms and legs are bleeding so I rub them with salt-water before sending them up another chimney."



some pics of the kids during this period

http://i.imgur.com/WkyK9ph.png
http://i.imgur.com/B1sdMxf.png
http://c85c7a.medialib.glogster.com/media/23/23ee020b740ed817c604a4a63d368f6b1c58bfa003a17a23fe 007a15acf952b7/image002-jpg.jpg
http://lunar.thegamez.net/coalmining/coal-mines-industrial-revolution/rolling-back-the-minimum-wage-and-child-labor-laws-in-order-to-help-500x428.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kYIbbi5.png

and now some facts
Children were paid only a fraction of adult wages

Sometimes orphans were not paid anything

Factory owners justified not paying orphans because they gave orphans food, shelter, and clothing, even though all was very minimal

Children were sometimes beaten and punished: Factory owners justified child labor by saying that "it was the food for everything in the economy" and that it built children’s characters

One common punishment for being late or not working well would be to be “weighted”: tie a heavy weight to their neck and have them walk up and down the factory aisles to be an example for the other children, this could last up to an hour

Machinery often ran so quickly and fingers, arms, and legs could easily get caught

The environment was also a threat to children

Toxic fumes inhaled would result in illness, chronic conditions, and diseases

Children in rural areas were not much better than factory workers because there was no education for the poor so it was very unlikely that children would get better paid jobs as they got older

Machinery was not fenced off and children were exposed to the moving parts. This led to a large number of injuries in the cotton mills. Children could have their hands crushed by moving machines. If their hair became tangled in the machine, their scalps could be ripped off. Some children were killed instantly when they went to sleep and fell into their machine.

Young children worked as 'trappers'. They operated trap doors with strings. As coal wagons approached, the trappers opened the trap door. This job was easy but children were forced to sit in a dark, cold hole while working. Older children carried coal down long mine shafts. Most children who worked in coalmines and iron mines died before the age of 25.

Children were called apprentices in the cotton mills. Although children were housed, fed and clothed, they were forced to work six days a week, from six in the morning to seven at night.
Spinning required a warm and humid atmosphere. Steam engines contributed to the heat as cotton mills were poorly ventilated. Children were forced to work in these uncomfortable conditions.


credit to these websites for the info and look at them if you more information about this horrible thing
http://taapworld.wikispaces.com/The+Children+of+the+Industrial+Revolution+-+Catherine+Sullivanant
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/children_industrial_revolution.htm
http://www.skwirk.com/p-c_s-58_u-505_t-1366_c-5260/child-labour/act/child-labour/industrial-revolution-societies-and-change/_tb-p

Perk89
01-20-2015, 01:15 AM
i'm trying to find some information about city and street life, but so far i haven't found anything other than what we're already expecting: Orphans, kids working, rich getting richer, robberies, etc. So expect to find poor people and orphans living on the street. And sewage. Lots of sewage

please sir im poor and sick and hungiiry

Altair1789
01-20-2015, 01:22 AM
please sir im poor and sick and hungiiry

As long as the kids aren't as annoying as they were in AC3. God I hated those kids in AC3

GoldenBoy9999
01-20-2015, 01:32 AM
Golden

https://38.media.tumblr.com/cbe8ab0d2db0f00eb0211e8b5fbcc4b6/tumblr_n2p85tgq6l1tv4k5po1_r1_400.gif

Finally discussions again!!1!

Thanks! This thread can only last so long before we run out of info or good facts. Although we do have some very bright minds here. Maybe this enthusiasm will prompt Ubi to give us some new info. :rolleyes:


Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?
With all of London's landmarks, including Trafalgar, having been built in the same time period, I can't help but feel it won't be too different

Those photos posted from Victorian London reminds me just how modern the setting is, and how extremely close it is to being in the 20th century
It's really starting to put me off the game

I could see that, but I think it will still be a different experience. I found that a lot of the famous landmarks in London today were built in this time period. No other game has been this modern yet so I think it will be a new experience. Lots of cool things were invented around this time, like crayons. So look forward to that! The Industrial Revolution needed to be in AC in some shape or form.


Gasby = Gatsby = DiCaprio as voice actor confirmed

Hah, I thought the same thing. That movie actually contributed to my love of that time period.

I-Like-Pie45
01-20-2015, 01:36 AM
they should add the option to kill the kids at last then

keep in mind that these are demons in the guise of kids and as such you should not feel bad for killing them

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 03:53 AM
Here is a cathedral city in Cambridgeshire that was near London called the "City of Ely".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Ely_the_market_place-1.jpg


More information here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely,_Cambridgeshire


Apparently there was an interesting labyrinth found underneath its west tower in 1870.


Perhaps room for a side quest?

DemonLord4lf
01-20-2015, 03:55 AM
If your searching for someone, i think the best place to look would be the Library of Congress.

http://catalog.loc.gov/

I looked for this Rodrick and no results were found, so I conclude that you guys are correct in assuming that he is just a fictional character.

D.I.D.
01-20-2015, 05:53 AM
Would it be fair to say that Victorian London looks very similar to modern London?
With all of London's landmarks, including Trafalgar, having been built in the same time period, I can't help but feel it won't be too different

Those photos posted from Victorian London reminds me just how modern the setting is, and how extremely close it is to being in the 20th century
It's really starting to put me off the game

Similar in some ways, but also not. It's by no means the period when "all" of London's landmarks appeared. London is full of landmarks from centuries ago to recent years, and it never stops producing and cannibalising these features.

A huge amount changed during the Victorian period because of two different waves of development: one to satisfy the population growth, and a second one that modified that to install new infrastructure (train stations, underground lines, roads). Multiple blocks could be bought up and destroyed in one go just to create something else, especially stations, and then demand for new parks could transform an area yet again. It's a city in constant flux.

I don't think people should worry about how modern it is. The game was supposed to be about assassination, and not necessarily the age of things. It's a new situation to try out, like the naval and wilderness stuff was, and a modern city is less of a leap from the original formula than those environments were.

Altair1789
01-20-2015, 05:59 AM
they should add the option to kill the kids at last then

keep in mind that these are demons in the guise of kids and as such you should not feel bad for killing them

I don't want to sound like a psychopath, but I hope they do

Locopells
01-20-2015, 12:29 PM
Here is a cathedral city in Cambridgeshire that was near London called the "City of Ely".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Ely_the_market_place-1.jpg

More information here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely,_Cambridgeshire

Apparently there was an interesting labyrinth found underneath its west tower in 1870.

Perhaps room for a side quest?

Would so love that, if they did, I know Ely well.

Cornik22
01-20-2015, 01:01 PM
Guys, I've found new relevant info!

I’ve been able to identify another ad in the last picture, as "Foster's lager beer", and guess what. It's an internationally distributed Australian brand of lager (still exists) created by two Irish American brothers, William M and Ralph R Foster, who arrived in Melbourne from New York in 1886. The brothers began brewing Foster's Lager in November 1888 and it was made available to the public from February 1889. Check this really cool spot about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aSUM_xUuUA

An the other one that was hard to read is "Gasby's organic cough elixir", but I coudn't find anything about it, so I think it was made up.

There's another one of blacklead, but it's hard to figure out the name. Decker's?

http://i57.tinypic.com/11gndl1.jpg

Alphacos007
01-20-2015, 03:38 PM
Sorry to be a **** Cornik, but I already wrote all of that in my post, in the first page of the thread :rolleyes:

emperior
01-20-2015, 03:43 PM
Hopefully we also see football. Fulham was founded in 1879 and Arsenal later in 1891.
At least include a football pitch in London as there definitely was one.

wvstolzing
01-20-2015, 03:43 PM
Sorry to be a **** Cornik, but I already wrote all of that in my post, in the first page of the thread :rolleyes:

Hey, I wouldn't mess with him, if I were in your place ...
he's the grand priest of the great old ones, you see... Cthulhu ftaghn!!!

dargor5
01-20-2015, 05:39 PM
How about famous characters? Which are the famous people that might be present on Victory? On Unity we had De Sade, which I think it was very well done.
Ive read posts about Jack the reaper but that's not a historical character nor I think it will be someone who would be helping the assassins

DragonAgeLegend
01-20-2015, 05:44 PM
My speculation:

The game will be buggy.

The game will be rushed.

The modern story will be almost non-existent.

People will still buy it.

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 05:55 PM
My speculation:

The game will be buggy.

The game will be rushed.

The modern story will be almost non-existent.

People will still buy it.

That is off-topic my friend...

Either contribute or leave.

This is not a thread for negativity.


How about famous characters? Which are the famous people that might be present on Victory? On Unity we had De Sade, which I think it was very well done.
Ive read posts about Jack the reaper but that's not a historical character nor I think it will be someone who would be helping the assassins

Read the first page, mate.

I mentioned some historical figures and a link to more that may be present in the game.

Feel free to dig deeper into them and share if they may hold some importance or role. ( I.e. Assassin, Templar, etc) ^__^

m4r-k7
01-20-2015, 06:21 PM
If you are interested in modern English history you should watch Peaky Blinders. Whilst its not set during the Victorian Era, it is set in 1920s Birmingham and is about a gang named the Peaky Blinders. Its a really great show and gives a great sense of the results of the industrial revolution and the events after the Victorian Era. Whilst its set during the 1920s, it certainly has a Victorian feel to it, with awesome costumes and characters :)

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x207_b/p01gkyh7.jpg

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 07:12 PM
If you are interested in modern English history you should watch Peaky Blinders. Whilst its not set during the Victorian Era, it is set in 1920s Birmingham and is about a gang named the Peaky Blinders. Its a really great show and gives a great sense of the results of the industrial revolution and the events after the Victorian Era. Whilst its set during the 1920s, it certainly has a Victorian feel to it, with awesome costumes and characters :)

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x207_b/p01gkyh7.jpg

That's neat. :)

---

I was looking around the districts at this time, and I discovered an interesting Pub in Chelsea who's name is really ironic.

http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/greaves/drawings/6.jpg


More information about Victorian cities, towns, and more here: http://www.victorianweb.org/places/cities/cities.html

Bastiaen
01-20-2015, 07:12 PM
I like the idea of exploring London in AC, but due to the fact I've been there it doesn't interest me to talk about it.

Having been there is what makes me so excited. I'm not British, and I always hated the idea of an AC game in London, until I went there on a business trip back in t 2013. Now this is my most anticipated setting (unless Ubi decides to set one in Medieval Bruges/ Kortrijk, Battle of the Golden Spurs era).

ze_topazio
01-20-2015, 07:22 PM
So what do you think the DLC will be?

aL_____eX
01-20-2015, 07:31 PM
http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/greaves/drawings/6.jpg
That's cool. :D

ze_topazio
01-20-2015, 07:38 PM
Hopefully we also see football. Fulham was founded in 1879 and Arsenal later in 1891.
At least include a football pitch in London as there definitely was one.

I'm looking forward to see that too, in a different thread I even suggest football as a side activity mini game.

rrebe
01-20-2015, 08:14 PM
I'm looking forward to see that too, in a different thread I even suggest football as a side activity mini game.

I'm not sure how it could be executed, but I'd like the idea of football being mentioned in some way.

JustPlainQuirky
01-20-2015, 08:17 PM
i hope the presence of child labor doesnt indicate an annoying child sidekick like in dead kings

and i bet the templars are the source of the smog

*groans*

The_Kiwi_
01-20-2015, 08:18 PM
So what do you think the DLC will be?

I have a feeling that it'll show Sam going to Wales or maybe Scotland/Ireland in the aftermath of the main game, in order to fix something he did wrong

He might even go to France seeing as it's really close
He might go there to find the Sword of Eden in Arno's tomb

aL_____eX
01-20-2015, 08:19 PM
But please not as a mini game. A black box assassination mission in a huge football stadium would be awesome though. :rolleyes:


He might even go to France seeing as it's really close
He might go there to find the Sword of Eden in Arno's tomb
Stop Kiwi, don't give Ubisoft the idea...

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 08:22 PM
I'm not sure how it could be executed, but I'd like the idea of football being mentioned in some way.

I wanna ride a bicycle across London. :rolleyes: :p

aL_____eX
01-20-2015, 08:23 PM
I wanna ride a bicycle across London. :rolleyes: :p
Ambient music in free roam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugsCdLHm-Q

The_Kiwi_
01-20-2015, 08:23 PM
Stop Kiwi, don't give Ubisoft the idea...

Don't quash my creativity, Alex :rolleyes:

GunnerGalactico
01-20-2015, 08:23 PM
I wanna ride a bicycle across London. :rolleyes: :p

It's better than having horses. ;)

rrebe
01-20-2015, 08:24 PM
I wanna ride a bicycle across London. :rolleyes: :p

YES! Make this happen! :eek: :rolleyes:

JustPlainQuirky
01-20-2015, 08:25 PM
You'll never catch me, ASSASSIN!

NOT WHEN I SHIFT INTO MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cb12c502f38b422892f97bef32596967/penny-farthing-bicycle-rider-victorian-costume-hyde-park-london-by3ppa.jpg

ze_topazio
01-20-2015, 08:27 PM
i hope the presence of child labor doesnt indicate an annoying child sidekick like in dead kings

and i bet the templars are the source of the smog

*groans*

They were testing waters with Dead Kings, better prepare yourself.

ze_topazio
01-20-2015, 08:31 PM
Oh yeah, bicycles, I definitely would like that.

The_Kiwi_
01-20-2015, 08:31 PM
They were testing waters with Dead Kings, better prepare yourself.

http://truegif.com/pictures/gif/1101.gif


You'll never catch me, ASSASSIN!

NOT WHEN I SHIFT INTO MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cb12c502f38b422892f97bef32596967/penny-farthing-bicycle-rider-victorian-costume-hyde-park-london-by3ppa.jpg

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1482471/maximum-overdrive-o.gif

Democrito_71
01-20-2015, 08:49 PM
A black box assassination mission in a huge football stadium would be awesome though. :rolleyes:

would totally love if there is a black box mission during a football game in Victory! Somebody tweet this idea to Darby asap!

A black box assassination mission inside Big Ben would be cool too :)

Here's some info about the Victorian era;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/

m4r-k7
01-20-2015, 08:53 PM
A black box assassination mission inside Big Ben would be cool too :)]

That is 99.9% likely xD

dargor5
01-20-2015, 09:33 PM
would totally love if there is a black box mission during a football game! Somebody tweet this idea to Ubi asap!

A black box assassination mission inside Big Ben would be cool too :)

Here's some info about the Victorian era;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/

Whats a black box mission? O.o

aL_____eX
01-20-2015, 09:35 PM
Whats a black box mission? O.o
The assassination missions with creating different opportunities/objectives and a variety of approaches are called 'Black Box missions'. For example the Sivert assassination from E3 and actually all the 'main' assassinations in the story.

Cornik22
01-20-2015, 10:37 PM
You're right, Alphacos! Somehow I missed that part. And great work, btw! ;)

The new flamboyant De Sade-like character will be Oscar Wilde, no doubt about that. Right time and place.

And if I had to recomend a tv series, I'd say Ripper Street. Historically accurate and pretty cool, actually. I've seen the frst season, and it's totally worth it.

X_xWolverinEx_X
01-20-2015, 10:48 PM
My speculation:

The game will be buggy.

The game will be rushed.

The modern story will be almost non-existent.

People will still buy it.

**** off

dargor5
01-20-2015, 10:54 PM
You're right, Alphacos! Somehow I missed that part. And great work, btw! ;)

The new flamboyant De Sade-like character will be Oscar Wilde, no doubt about that. Right time and place.

And if I had to recomend a tv series, I'd say Ripper Street. Historically accurate and pretty cool, actually. I've seen the frst season, and it's totally worth it.
I looked up Oscar Wilde and yes he definetly fits a part like De Sade or Da Vinci, altough nothing seems wrong with him which might not be good for that part :p

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 11:01 PM
Oscar Wilde, no doubt about that. Right time and place.

Oscar Wilde ( 1854- 1900)


http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/oscar_wilde_2.jpg

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde


I agree. :)


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Now all we need is a Da Vinci-esque inventor at this time.


( As assumed there is one as seen with the grappling hook)


I nominate Darwin or perhaps a fictional inventor.

JamesFaith007
01-20-2015, 11:11 PM
Now all we need is a Da Vinci-esque inventor at this time.

( As assumed there is one as seen with the grappling hook)


I nominate Darwin or perhaps a fictional inventor.

I would vote for Joseph Bell, pioneer of forensic science and inspiration for Sherlock Holmes.

We already have Murder mysteries from Unity, so he could help with investigations and reverse-engineer some gadget from our cases or from defeated Templars.

wvstolzing
01-20-2015, 11:17 PM
Darwin wouldn't make a good engineer/inventor type; I don't think he even had an interest in such subjects. He was rather obsessed with living things; even had a menagerie of barnacles at home.

I'd appreciate a cameo-like appearance from him, though; like Ben Franklin, maybe.

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 11:22 PM
Darwin wouldn't make a good engineer/inventor type; I don't think he even had an interest in such subjects. He was rather obsessed with living things; even had a menagerie of barnacles at home.

I'd appreciate a cameo-like appearance from him, though; like Ben Franklin, maybe.

I thought about that. You're right.

But all the other scientists are either like him in not having interest, or die before the later part of the era.

But I agree, a Franklin-like cameo would be awesome.


I would vote for Joseph Bell, pioneer of forensic science and inspiration for Sherlock Holmes.

We already have Murder mysteries from Unity, so he could help with investigations and reverse-engineer some gadget from our cases or from defeated Templars.


Hmm...his foresenic science mention checks out.

And he fits the timeline perfectly.

Let's definitely rule him a possibility.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bell

ProAssassin91
01-20-2015, 11:36 PM
Oscar Wilde ( 1854- 1900)


http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/oscar_wilde_2.jpg

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde


I agree. :)


---

Now all we need is a Da Vinci-esque inventor at this time.


( As assumed there is one as seen with the grappling hook)


I nominate Darwin or perhaps a fictional inventor.

What about Michael Faraday electromagnetic induction guy he could create some cool gadgets for the assassins

wvstolzing
01-20-2015, 11:39 PM
What about Michael Faraday electromagnetic induction guy he could create some cool gadgets for the assassins

Faraday is an amazing character, with an unusual personal background too. Though his dates seem to be a little early for the dates being speculated. He died in 1867, so....

ProAssassin91
01-20-2015, 11:41 PM
Faraday is an amazing character, with an unusual personal background too. Though his dates seem to be a little early for the dates being speculated. He died in 1867, so....

isn't victory set in the 19th century or I am misinformed :confused:

wvstolzing
01-20-2015, 11:45 PM
Yeah; but I had the impression that the visual clues so far point towards 1870s-1880s ... I could be entirely wrong, though.

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 11:48 PM
What about Michael Faraday electromagnetic induction guy he could create some cool gadgets for the assassins

Yes, but not much is known for him to considered an engineer/inventor.

Like Darwin, he was focused on other things and an unusual part of his past is unknown as wvstolzing mentioned.

But thanks though. ^__^


@Wvstolzing

So far we're assuming it's late 1870's to 1890's.

ProAssassin91
01-20-2015, 11:51 PM
my Victorian history is not great but I think London had an urbanisation boom in the early 19th century and I struggle to see how ubisoft would replicate that big a city on the consoles with sacrificing something else.

Namikaze_17
01-20-2015, 11:55 PM
my Victorian history is not great but I think London had an urbanisation boom in the early 19th century and I struggle to see how ubisoft would replicate that big a city on the consoles with sacrificing something else.

That's alright; that is why this thread is here.

And sacrifice? I'm not following.

ProAssassin91
01-20-2015, 11:59 PM
That's alright...that is why this thread is here.

And sacrifice? I'm not following.

I mean for the additional memory space they will use to create 1880s London they will have to reduce something else to fit it on one disk

Auditore8
01-20-2015, 11:59 PM
I'll say this again like I've said before, the game's protagonist HAS to be Samuel Fey! Last year before Unity, it leaked that there was an Assassin's Creed in Victorian London, this is it!

"Assassin's Creed V has been in the development cycle for almost three years, at Ubisoft Montreal and Ubisoft Toronto with development support from Ubisoft studios at Annecy, Quebec and Montpellier. Assassin's Creed V will release on the PlayStation®4 from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment system from Microsoft and Windows PC. The game will release worldwide on November 4, 2014.

In the events of the ongoing Industrial Revolution, Assassin's Creed V follows the story of Samuel Fey, as he enters the Assassin Order in a time of change and Templar rule. Fey is a successful and respectful entrepreneur, who works outside the corrupt law to guarantee the security of his own and others' futures. Taking place during the closing years of the Industrial Revolution in Victorian London, players will explore all new locales as they uncover the truth behind the hidden ongoing rebellion."
This is pulled from the AC Wikia page, some of you might remember the initial leak of this last year, but I'm telling you. THIS. IS. IT.

Namikaze_17
01-21-2015, 12:12 AM
I'll say this again like I've said before, the game's protagonist HAS to be Samuel Fey! Last year before Unity, it leaked that there was an Assassin's Creed in Victorian London, this is it!

"Assassin's Creed V has been in the development cycle for almost three years, at Ubisoft Montreal and Ubisoft Toronto with development support from Ubisoft studios at Annecy, Quebec and Montpellier. Assassin's Creed V will release on the PlayStation®4 from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment system from Microsoft and Windows PC. The game will release worldwide on November 4, 2014.

In the events of the ongoing Industrial Revolution, Assassin's Creed V follows the story of Samuel Fey, as he enters the Assassin Order in a time of change and Templar rule. Fey is a successful and respectful entrepreneur, who works outside the corrupt law to guarantee the security of his own and others' futures. Taking place during the closing years of the Industrial Revolution in Victorian London, players will explore all new locales as they uncover the truth behind the hidden ongoing rebellion."
This is pulled from the AC Wikia page, some of you might remember the initial leak of this last year, but I'm telling you. THIS. IS. IT.

This thread isn't to know whether Sam's name is true or not.

It is to solely give information about the setting and possible areas/figures that could be in the game.

If you insist on talking about Sam's name, make a thread about it, not here.

Thanks. ^__^

Auditore8
01-21-2015, 12:23 AM
Are you kidding me. I'll end you.

DemonLord4lf
01-21-2015, 12:25 AM
Ambient music in free roam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugsCdLHm-Q

rofl, not going to happen but still hilarious.

JamesFaith007
01-21-2015, 12:25 AM
Unfortunately little too late and on other side of ocean, but what about John Moses Browning, "da Vinci of firearms" (1855-1926)?

His star started raising around 1885, so some guns should be based on his designs.

DemonLord4lf
01-21-2015, 12:29 AM
Unfortunately little too late and on other side of ocean, but what about John Moses Browning, "da Vinci of firearms" (1855-1926)?

His star started raising around 1885, so some guns should be based on his designs.

Perhaps he could be the new inventor for us? What Ben Franklin should have been in AC 3

Namikaze_17
01-21-2015, 01:25 AM
Are you kidding me. I'll end you.

No threats either. :rolleyes:

D.I.D.
01-21-2015, 02:31 AM
Things I've been hoping for that I've posted about previously:

East India Company -

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/965749-Victorian-London-it-is!?p=10420085&viewfull=1#post10420085


One big thing that's happening during this period is the dissolution of the East India Company, the wealthiest business the world has ever known (and also the most mysterious). Nobody is quite sure what happened to all of the money when it was officially wound down in 1875.

At the height of the EIC's power, the key figures in its ranks were becoming a problem for Britain. They were going out and causing mayhem in India, and many of them returned acting like masters of the universe. Some dressed themselves as Indian Rajs, turned their homes into palaces, and flaunted their superior power to the rest of the hereditary aristocracy. There were huge political traumas and scandals, and just about any death in amongst all of this can be repainted as an assassination: Sir FrederickCurrie, 1875; John Cotton, 1860; Henry Alexander, 1861; John Clarmont Whiteman, 1866; John Pollard Willoughby, 1866; George Dempster, 1877 (officially died in Scotland, but send us to Scotland!); Martin Tucker Smith, 1880; Sir James Hogg, 1876; Ross Donelly Mangles, 1877; William Mills, 1872; Laurence Peel, 1884; Henry Thoby Prinsep, 1878; Henry Creswick Rawlinson, 1895.

Golden Dawn -

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/974472-Potencial-assassination-targets-in-AC-Victory?p=10437328&viewfull=1#post10437328


Did you ever see the Project Legacy AC files? They had a story about William Robert Woodman (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Science:_Chapter_4_-_Frater_V.O.V.), as part of a Victorian occult group using the rituals of the Hermeticists (last seen in Brotherhood's DLC) who induce weird post-poisoning effects in him. He sees the past and the future. There's a hint in all of this that perhaps a combination of ritual and a coma could function as a kind of technology-free animus, and that perhaps this method had been used before. Woodman's group seemed to know what it was trying to do, and used this ritual on him deliberately.

There is talk of "evoking spirits", but perhaps they're talking to echoes of TWCB. He described them as the Secret Chiefs, which isn't a name Ubisoft invented. These figures are an established legend, not just to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn but to other cultures too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Chiefs

Incidentally, of the Golden Dawn people described in that file:
William Robert Woodman - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Robert_Woodman)
Samuel Mathers - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Liddell_MacGregor_Mathers)
Moina Mathers - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moina_Mathers)
Gustav Meyrink - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Meyrink)
Florence Farr - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Farr)
Edmund William Berridge - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_William_Berridge)
William Wynn Westcott - real person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wynn_Westcott)
and I hope people would recognise Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) as another.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/320537-Do-you-want-an-AC-game-in-Victorian-London?p=8180661&viewfull=1#post8180661


Scotland Yard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Yard)

England's first true Metropolitan police service (as opposed to agency-based crime-fighting). Offices quickly expanded to multiple addresses. During the construction of one of those buildings, workers discovered the dismembered torso of a woman, an incident which became known as the Whitehall Mystery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Mystery). This case was never solved, and so a police department came to be built on the site of an unsolved murder.

Adam Worth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Worth)

German-born US national. Believed to be one of the real-life influences for the character Professor Moriarty in the Sherlock Holmes stories (Worth was nicknamed "the Napolean of crime", the same phrase Sherlock Holmes used to describe Moriarty in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fiction.

Mastermind of a huge criminal network. Reputedly, he did not allow anyone who worked for him to use violence, which could make him interesting in AC: what would it be like to have an adversary you could not topple with violence without breaking your own rules, or indeed an adversary to whom you defect? Worth moved among all levels of society including the highest, and himself lived in a prestigious Mayfair address.

Back in the US, Worth eventually did a deal with a detective from the Pinkerton agency to reveal his life's story and return valuable pieces still missing, and in return Worth's son was given a career with the Pinkertons as a detective. Worth died soon after.

The Great Exhibition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_great_exhibition)

Crystal Palace, 1851. The first World's Fair of culture and industry, attended by a huge number of royals and celebrities of the day from all over the world.

Wyld's Great Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyld's_Globe)

Just look at it. You know you want to see that.

The London Underground (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_underground)

Opened 1863


Models for the assassin -

Spring-Heeled Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-heeled_Jack)

London's most exciting urban legend: a humanoid figure seen leaping from huge heights without suffering any pain, and running across rooftops, reportedly having steel claws. This might remind you of someone. As the myth snowballed, the stories became more dramatic with the creature seeming more demonic: blazing red eyes and so on.

AJ Raffles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Raffles)

A popular fictional anti-hero from the late Victorian period, E. W. Hornung's Raffles was a character with a double-life: a respected high society gentleman and cricketer who, secretly, was also a master thief. In the stories, Raffles has the uncanny ability to scale buildings and open locked windows in a few seconds, and often makes his escapes across London's rooftops. He'd be a great model on which to base an AC protagonist.

Footage of London in 1903, two years after Queen Victoria's death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5Ts_i164c

Bartitsu - http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/662609-Beyond-ACIII?p=8558275&viewfull=1#post8558275


As for it being a mistake to breach the 20th century, if I had the power I would insist on going for a period of a few years surrounding Victoria's death for this reason alone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Copy_of_Montage.jpg/200px-Copy_of_Montage.jpg


Bartitsu is an eclectic martial art (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_art) and self-defence (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence) method originally developed in England (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) during the years 1898–1902. In 1901 it was immortalised (as "baritsu") by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Conan_Doyle), author of the Sherlock Holmes (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes) mystery stories.

[...]

In 1898, Edward William Barton-Wright (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_William_Barton-Wright), a British (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people) engineer (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer) who had spent the previous three years living in the Empire of Japan (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Japan), returned to England (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) and announced the formation of a "New Art of Self Defence".[3] (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu#cite_note-Wolf.2C_2007-2) This art, he claimed, combined the best elements of a range of fighting styles into a unified whole, which he had named Bartitsu. The word was aportmanteau (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau) of his own surname and of "Jujitsu (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu)", and Barton-Wright defined it as meaning "self defence in all its forms".[4] (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu#cite_note-Wolf.2C_2005-3)As detailed in a series of articles Barton-Wright produced for Pearson's Magazine between 1899 and 1901, Bartitsu was largely drawn from Shinden Fudo Ryu Taijutsu (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinden_Fudo_Ryu) and from Kodokan judo (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo). As it became established in London, the art expanded to incorporate combat techniques from the Tenjin Shinyō (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenjin_Shinyō-ryū), Fusen (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusen_Ryu&action=edit&redlink=1) and Daito (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daito-ryu_aiki-jujutsu) schools of jujutsu as well as British boxing (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing), Swissschwingen (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwingen), French savate (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savate), and a defensive la canne (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canne_de_combat) (stick fighting (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_fighting)) style that had been developed by Pierre Vigny (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Vigny) of Switzerland. Bartitsu also included a comprehensive physical culture (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_culture) training system.

[...]

Between 1899 and 1902, Barton-Wright set about publicizing his art through magazine articles, interviews and a series of demonstrations or "assaults at arms" at various London (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) venues. He established a school called the Bartitsu Academy of Arms and Physical Culture, known informally as the Bartitsu Club, which was located at 67b Shaftesbury Avenue (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaftesbury_Avenue) in Soho (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho). In an article for Sandow's Magazine of Physical Culture (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Sandow) vol. 6, (January 1901), journalist Mary Nugent described theBartitsu Club as "... a huge subterranean hall, all glittering, white-tiled walls, and electric light, with 'champions' prowling around it like tigers."


^ That's a ready-made HQ for in-game gentleman assassins.

http://www.bartitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/New-Art-header-2.jpg



Bartitsu Club membership included Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmo_Duff_Gordon), who was later to achieve notoriety as one of the few adult male survivors of the sinking of the RMS Titanic (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic), as well as Captain F.C. Laing of the 12th Bengal Infantry, who subsequently wrote an article on Bartitsu stick fighting techniques which was published in the Journal of the United Service Institution of India.[10] (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu#cite_note-Laing.2C-9)Other Club members included Percy Rolt and Captains Ernest George Stenson Cooke and Frank Herbert Whittow, both also members of the London Rifle Brigade School of Arms, under the direction of Captain Hutton; and William Henry Grenfell (http://web.archive.org/web/20101009154926/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Grenfell), the 1st Baron Desborough, who was named as the Club president.


This was quite an exclusive club for gentlemen of the upper crust of British society, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to have a secret order within it.

The tutors included Barton-Wright himself, two martial experts from Japan (one of whom left the organisation and was replaced by another Japanese martial artist), a Swiss master-at-arms and a Swiss champion wrestler. Fencing was also taught, and improvised attacks such as those using a cape or overcoat.

In addition to the grand subterranean training halls, the building included some curious scientific equipment said to be for heat, light, radiation and vibration therapies. For one of them, the user would lie down on a weird cage-like bed connected to wires. You see where I'm going with that.

Importantly, the Bartitsu Club wasn't the only "underground" fighting den of its type. To promote his new discipline, Barton-Wright gave demonstrations in places such as the Bath Club (unusual at the time for its indoor swimming pool), which was part of a resurgence in popularity of Elizabethan sword-fighting styles:

http://www.bartitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Bath-Club1.jpg
http://www.bartitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/book-cover.jpg

The first decade of the 1900s saw something of a craze for Jiu-Jitsu (also known as Ju-Jitsu, Ju-Jutsu and Ju-Ju-Tsu) in London, and newspaper articles from the Daily Mirror at the time promoted the sport as being particularly well-suited to women and children. "Bloodless duelling" was a popular gentleman's sport too, imported from Paris; to practice shooting a real human target, opponents shot each other with wax bullets while wearing face masks (just like paintball today).

The water works of Joseph Bazalgette: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/320537-Do-you-want-an-AC-game-in-Victorian-London?p=8181081&viewfull=1#post8181081


Joseph Bazalgette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bazalgette), engineer of the London sewer system.

Part of the interior of Crossness pumping station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/The_Octagon%2C_Crossness_Pumping_Station.jpg/800px-The_Octagon%2C_Crossness_Pumping_Station.jpg

Abbey Mills pumping station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Abbey_Mills_Pumping_Station3.jpg


Thread on real-life Victorian parkour, with photos: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/906498-For-a-Victorian-London-AC-free-running-in-suits-Yes-they-did-that

Ichrukia56
01-21-2015, 05:51 AM
@ D.I.D. very nice find mate lots of interesting information :)

m4r-k7
01-21-2015, 02:18 PM
I'll say this again like I've said before, the game's protagonist HAS to be Samuel Fey! Last year before Unity, it leaked that there was an Assassin's Creed in Victorian London, this is it!

"Assassin's Creed V has been in the development cycle for almost three years, at Ubisoft Montreal and Ubisoft Toronto with development support from Ubisoft studios at Annecy, Quebec and Montpellier. Assassin's Creed V will release on the PlayStation®4 from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment system from Microsoft and Windows PC. The game will release worldwide on November 4, 2014.

In the events of the ongoing Industrial Revolution, Assassin's Creed V follows the story of Samuel Fey, as he enters the Assassin Order in a time of change and Templar rule. Fey is a successful and respectful entrepreneur, who works outside the corrupt law to guarantee the security of his own and others' futures. Taking place during the closing years of the Industrial Revolution in Victorian London, players will explore all new locales as they uncover the truth behind the hidden ongoing rebellion."
This is pulled from the AC Wikia page, some of you might remember the initial leak of this last year, but I'm telling you. THIS. IS. IT.

I think the whole Samuel Fey thing was made up:

1) Quebec is the lead studio, they aren't just "development support"

2) Release date says 2014.

3) Anyone could have made that up

I'm not saying its definitely not, the evidence available just doesn't support it.

Namikaze_17
01-21-2015, 03:10 PM
Things I've been hoping for that I've posted about previously:

East India Company -

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/965749-Victorian-London-it-is!?p=10420085&viewfull=1#post10420085


Golden Dawn -

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/974472-Potencial-assassination-targets-in-AC-Victory?p=10437328&viewfull=1#post10437328



http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/320537-Do-you-want-an-AC-game-in-Victorian-London?p=8180661&viewfull=1#post8180661



Bartitsu - http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/662609-Beyond-ACIII?p=8558275&viewfull=1#post8558275



The water works of Joseph Bazalgette: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/320537-Do-you-want-an-AC-game-in-Victorian-London?p=8181081&viewfull=1#post8181081



Thread on real-life Victorian parkour, with photos: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/906498-For-a-Victorian-London-AC-free-running-in-suits-Yes-they-did-that

This is incredibly fascinating.

I'm really intrigued by the combat and wonder how it could be implemented in this apparent "guns only" era.

I also like the architecture and how underground railroads could potentially look.

GoldenBoy9999
01-21-2015, 03:18 PM
[/SPOILER]

This is incredibly fascinating.

I'm really intrigued by the combat and wonder how it could be implemented in this apparent "guns only" era.

I also like the agriculture and how underground railroads could potentially look.

Yes, it is interesting indeed. The fist fights and stuff all have potential to be refreshing. And mix ups with guns.

And the British Isle is also cool. I like their flora. But sadly we will only see this if they allow us to go outside the walls of London.

Since we are in a time closer to recent history there is lot a lot of potential with the trains. Maybe the train tunnels are like the new tunnels or catacombs of past games. :cool:

Gin0r
01-21-2015, 04:01 PM
Has anybody mentioned Karl Marx yet?
Depending on when Victory takes place (he died in 1883) I think he should play a part. Since the Assassins sympathized with communism, at least in its early days (in AC:The Fall they were on the bolshevik’s side iirc) and capitalism was "invented" by the Templars as a new way to enslave the people by making them mindless consumers (according to glyphs/rifts either in ACII or Brohood, I can’t exactly remember) he should be an Assassin or at least an ally.

Also, English mystic Edward Kelley could be the equivalent of Nostradamus as a source for riddles, he also had a role in Project Legacy.

And I’d love to meet Oscar Wilde in game – if he’s written well, that is. He could be great character (a really witty smartass – think Shaun but way more flamboyant ;) )

And I’m willing to make a bet that Jack the Ripper is the sage this time

D.I.D.
01-21-2015, 04:41 PM
Has anybody mentioned Karl Marx yet?
Depending on when Victory takes place (he died in 1883) I think he should play a part. Since the Assassins sympathized with communism, at least in its early days (in AC:The Fall they were on the bolshevik’s side iirc) and capitalism was "invented" by the Templars as a new way to enslave the people by making them mindless consumers (according to glyphs/rifts either in ACII or Brohood, I can’t exactly remember) he should be an Assassin or at least an ally.

Not a chance of seeing anything as interesting as that in AC anymore, I'm afraid. The series lost any guts it once had to be provocative and/or challenging a long time ago. They'll play with ideas like this on the vaguest level, but only at the Star Wars level of Rebels vs Empire, and even then they might astonish you by painting the downfall of the French aristocracy as a tragedy wrought by a rabid lunatic fringe.

Gin0r
01-21-2015, 04:45 PM
Not a chance of seeing anything as interesting as that in AC anymore, I'm afraid. The series lost any guts it once had to be provocative and/or challenging a long time ago. They'll play with ideas like this on the vaguest level, but only at the Star Wars level of Rebels vs Empire, and even then they might astonish you by painting the downfall of the French aristocracy as a tragedy wrought by a rabid lunatic fringe.

Yes, I know *sigh* :(
But a man can hope, can’t he? ;)

topeira1980
01-21-2015, 06:56 PM
im late to the thread here and didnt read everything, but i am just wondering if melee weapons are going to be the core of combat like it always has been or you think we are going to move to a cover based shooter kind of game... :\ since these settings look closer to "the order: 1886" than to AC:Unity....

The_Kiwi_
01-21-2015, 08:10 PM
im late to the thread here and didnt read everything, but i am just wondering if melee weapons are going to be the core of combat like it always has been or you think we are going to move to a cover based shooter kind of game... :\ since these settings look closer to "the order: 1886" than to AC:Unity....

This isn't an information thread
It's a speculation thread
No-one knows anything about gameplay yet

Namikaze_17
01-21-2015, 08:43 PM
No-one knows anything about gameplay yet

Funny, because it says that at the beginning of the thread. :rolleyes:

JamesFaith007
01-21-2015, 09:12 PM
Found one interesting guy who should fit in AC Victory.

William Calcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calcraft) (1800-1879)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/William-calcraft.jpg/170px-William-calcraft.jpg

He was hangman in London (1829 - 1874) and hanged more 450 people. He was also infamous for using too short rope - so most of executed died very slowly - to entertain crowd. Then he swung on their legs or jump on their shoulders to finish them.

Such brutal man should easily become part of some mission (he was forced to quit in 1874), or even target for some cruel execution in past.

Altair1789
01-21-2015, 09:23 PM
Found one interesting guy who should fit in AC Victory.

William Calcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calcraft) (1800-1879)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/William-calcraft.jpg/170px-William-calcraft.jpg

He was hangman in London (1829 - 1874) and hanged more 450 people. He was also infamous for using too short rope - so most of executed died very slowly - to entertain crowd. Then he swung on their legs or jump on their shoulders to finish them.

Such brutal man should easily become part of some mission (he was forced to quit in 1874), or even target for some cruel execution in past.

He could be a small target of an assassination mission. I don't think he'd particularly make a templar, he was just cruel, so the assassins would probably try to purge him, but not prioritize it

dargor5
01-21-2015, 09:55 PM
Found one interesting guy who should fit in AC Victory.

William Calcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calcraft) (1800-1879)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/William-calcraft.jpg/170px-William-calcraft.jpg

He was hangman in London (1829 - 1874) and hanged more 450 people. He was also infamous for using too short rope - so most of executed died very slowly - to entertain crowd. Then he swung on their legs or jump on their shoulders to finish them.

Such brutal man should easily become part of some mission (he was forced to quit in 1874), or even target for some cruel execution in past.
I thought hanging got out of fashion after the guillotine

Namikaze_17
01-21-2015, 09:59 PM
Found one interesting guy who should fit in AC Victory.

William Calcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calcraft) (1800-1879)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/William-calcraft.jpg/170px-William-calcraft.jpg

He was hangman in London (1829 - 1874) and hanged more 450 people. He was also infamous for using too short rope - so most of executed died very slowly - to entertain crowd. Then he swung on their legs or jump on their shoulders to finish them.

Such brutal man should easily become part of some mission (he was forced to quit in 1874), or even target for some cruel execution in past.

Yep. Definitely Templar.

He'll probably be apart of the Main story or maybe London stories? ( if they're called that)

Nice find, James. ;)


I thought hanging got out of fashion after the guillotine

Some places/eras used it, some didn't.

The guillotine was last used in 1977.

DemonLord4lf
01-21-2015, 10:14 PM
Not a chance of seeing anything as interesting as that in AC anymore, I'm afraid. The series lost any guts it once had to be provocative and/or challenging a long time ago. They'll play with ideas like this on the vaguest level, but only at the Star Wars level of Rebels vs Empire, and even then they might astonish you by painting the downfall of the French aristocracy as a tragedy wrought by a rabid lunatic fringe.

That would work, if they hadn't made the Templars look like good people with a different idea of what the world needs. In AC 1 - AC Revelations they were viewed as evil dictators. In AC 3 they showed a different side of the Templars. So now we need a new enemy to fight. Now its just 2 sides pickering over who's idea is better.

Hans684
01-21-2015, 10:17 PM
That would work, if they hadn't made the Templars look like good people with a different idea of what the world needs. In AC 2 & Brotherhood they were viewed as evil dictators. In AC 3 they showed a different side of the Templars. So now we need a new enemy to fight. Now its just 2 sides pickering over who's idea is better.

Fixed. Those games has comic villains unlike the others where their battle is gray.

DemonLord4lf
01-21-2015, 10:21 PM
Fixed. Those games has comic villains unlike the others where their battle is gray.

Which is the problem... Its assassin kills templar, templar kills assassin, but no real explanation as to why. Before it felt like a battle between good and evil, now its like two sides of the same coin fighting each other... Maybe Juno is going to be the new main enemy, but from what i've seen, they're just putting her on the back burner... I look forward to seeing what they do in Victory.

Hans684
01-21-2015, 10:30 PM
Which is the problem...

People who over-think tend to create problems for themselves that weren't there to begin with. AC2 and ACB ditched the gray story of their battle, so no it's not a problem.


Its assassin kills templar, templar kills assassin, but no real explanation as to why.

There is.


Before it felt like a battle between good and evil, now its like two sides of the same coin fighting each other...

There wasn't a good and evil until AC2/ACB, it's a hero fantasy that's out of place in a battle for peace by different means and philosophy.


Maybe Juno is going to be the new main enemy, but from what i've seen, they're just putting her on the back burner... I look forward to seeing what they do in Victory.

I don't expect much since MD is pretty much non-existent, something that makes the games filler like Unity.

Namikaze_17
01-22-2015, 01:41 AM
Now its just 2 sides pickering over who's idea is better.


That's how it was in the beginning...


Then AC2 & ACB happened. :rolleyes:


But this is off-topic. ^__^

dargor5
01-22-2015, 02:41 AM
Just finished one of the main missions in dead kings and I'm sure rescuing, helping and having a child a side kick will for sure be in Victory, did not like it on DK though

Cornik22
01-22-2015, 02:55 AM
Talking about flora and fauna, I can't wait to see their version of the Zoological Gardens in Regent's Park. The zoo opened in April 1828 to fellows of the Society, providing access to species such as Arabian oryx, greater kudus, orangutan and the now extinct quagga and thylacine. In 1847 the zoo opened to the public to aid funding. It was believed that tropical animals could not survive outside in London's cold weather and so they were all kept indoors until 1902, when Dr Peter Chalmers Mitchell was appointed secretary of the Society. In victorian times, you would find all kind of spieces there, like monkeys, snakes, lions, hippos, elephants, giraffes, rhinos, ...

http://i62.tinypic.com/2j45vv4.gif

http://i60.tinypic.com/qp2elx.jpg
Throughout its history the zoo has had many well-known residents. It was home to the only living quagga ever to be photographed, before the species became extinct in the wild due to hunting in southern Africa in about 1870. Another now extinct species the zoo held was a number of thylacines, or "Tasmanian tigers". Obaysch was the first hippopotamus to be seen in Europe since the Roman Empire, and the first in England since prehistoric times. The hippo arrived at London Zoo in May 1850 as a gift from the Ottoman Viceroy of Egypt in exchange for some greyhounds and deerhounds. Obaysch led to a doubling of the zoo's visitors that year. In 1865, Jumbo, the largest elephant known at the time, was transferred to the zoo from Jardin des Plantes in Paris. His name, possibly from Jambo, Swahili for hello, became an epithet for anything of large size, such as Boeing's 747 Jumbo jet. He became aggressive in old age, and had to stop giving rides; he was sold to Phineas Barnum's circus, the Barnum & Bailey Circus, in 1882, where he was later crushed by a locomotive and killed.

The_Kiwi_
01-22-2015, 07:47 AM
Was the elephant accidentally crushed or...?

But in any case, that has gotten me interested
I'd like to visit a zoo in a game

GoldenBoy9999
01-22-2015, 02:39 PM
Talking about flora and fauna, I can't wait to see their version of the Zoological Gardens in Regent's Park. The zoo opened in April 1828 to fellows of the Society, providing access to species such as Arabian oryx, greater kudus, orangutan and the now extinct quagga and thylacine. In 1847 the zoo opened to the public to aid funding. It was believed that tropical animals could not survive outside in London's cold weather and so they were all kept indoors until 1902, when Dr Peter Chalmers Mitchell was appointed secretary of the Society. In victorian times, you would find all kind of spieces there, like monkeys, snakes, lions, hippos, elephants, giraffes, rhinos, ...

http://i62.tinypic.com/2j45vv4.gif

http://i60.tinypic.com/qp2elx.jpg
Throughout its history the zoo has had many well-known residents. It was home to the only living quagga ever to be photographed, before the species became extinct in the wild due to hunting in southern Africa in about 1870. Another now extinct species the zoo held was a number of thylacines, or "Tasmanian tigers". Obaysch was the first hippopotamus to be seen in Europe since the Roman Empire, and the first in England since prehistoric times. The hippo arrived at London Zoo in May 1850 as a gift from the Ottoman Viceroy of Egypt in exchange for some greyhounds and deerhounds. Obaysch led to a doubling of the zoo's visitors that year. In 1865, Jumbo, the largest elephant known at the time, was transferred to the zoo from Jardin des Plantes in Paris. His name, possibly from Jambo, Swahili for hello, became an epithet for anything of large size, such as Boeing's 747 Jumbo jet. He became aggressive in old age, and had to stop giving rides; he was sold to Phineas Barnum's circus, the Barnum & Bailey Circus, in 1882, where he was later crushed by a locomotive and killed.

Wow, very nice find. Thanks! I never knew that there was a zoo of this caliber that existed at the time. There are some nice facts out there but it is hard to find them all.

Thlylacines are some of my favorite animals and I'd love to see them. The zebra is also very cool and I thought they were still around. The fact that we could include a zoo is awesome and I think it would be a great landmark to explore. They would have to make a lot of new animal models but it would be worth it. :cool:


Was the elephant accidentally crushed or...?

But in any case, that has gotten me interested
I'd like to visit a zoo in a game

Yes, sadly. :( But there are even conspiracy theories.

Jumbo was traveling towards his box car when an unscheduled freight train charged towards him. The elephant "Tom Thumb" was behind him and Jumbo sacrificed himself. He completely wrekt that train though before he died. It actually made me pretty sad. There's a huge wiki over him. I'd like to see him in the zoo as well. I hope they incorporate Far Cry 4's mechanics so we can ride Jumbo around town. :(

See? RIP Jumbo :(

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Jumbo_saving_Tom_Thumb.jpg/330px-Jumbo_saving_Tom_Thumb.jpg

DragonAgeLegend
01-22-2015, 02:45 PM
**** off

You seem like a very nice person. Your parents must be proud.

/sarcasm

Fatal-Feit
01-22-2015, 02:49 PM
You seem like a very nice person. Your parents must be proud.

/sarcasm

Ur stinking up the place, young chap. Let me show u to the door.

dargor5
01-22-2015, 04:14 PM
.

I hope they incorporate Far Cry 4's mechanics so we can ride Jumbo around town. :(

See? RIP Jumbo :(

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Jumbo_saving_Tom_Thumb.jpg/330px-Jumbo_saving_Tom_Thumb.jpg

Yeah riding an elephant, that could be part of the new stealth mechanichs :p

JamesFaith007
01-22-2015, 06:43 PM
Poor Jumbo remind me this.

SS Princess Alice tragedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Princess_Alice_(1865)) (1878)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Princess_alice_collision_in_thames.jpg/300px-Princess_alice_collision_in_thames.jpg

It was the most tragic ship collision on Thames, when small paddle steamer Pincess Alice was sunk by huge coal carrier and result was more then 650 dead people.

Alphacos007
01-22-2015, 07:54 PM
Just something I saw on another page, can't tell if the source is good:
"According to reports from Master Herald, Ubisoft unveiled small details on Assassin's Creed Victory, and it has something to do with its combat system. Ubisoft will introduce a new combat system that would make it more intuitive than the past games. Gaming fans have been complaining on about the recent Assassin's Creed games, and they think that fighting system has become too dull, clumsy, and boring.
So far these are the only information that Ubisoft has presented us this year. Assassin's Creed Victory was first revealed last year as Kotaku reported before that the game is set in Victorian London, as you'll play another male Assassin who's name has not yet identified.The gameplay video was released before, and it showcased the new Assassin running around London and jumping on to a train in order to fight the Templar. It also revealed that the protagonist is equipped with a grappling hook to which Kotaku explained that the grappling hook permits the gamer to attach to any surface, allowing him to reach a target or escape easily on dire situations.
Kotaku has also provided several gameplay screenshots of Assassin's Creed Victory.
That's not all, gaming website LoadTheGame.com has reported that Ubisoft might officially announce Assassin's Creed Victory on this years Electronic Entertainment Expo event, and gaming fans might expect Victory's first game trailer or its released date, which was rumored to be this year.
Whether these rumors are true or not is left uncertain. But since its a new year, gaming fans will have a lot of patience waiting for Ubisoft's next updates and details for Assassin's Creed Victory very soon"

Alphacos007
01-22-2015, 07:59 PM
Double posting because I don't want to mix the subjects, these are some important places that existed in Victorian London, and probably will appear in the game:

THE BIG BEN
Being British, I know how big of an icon this one is. One time, I went to LA and a person asked me "how's the Big Ben?" That's how iconic it is, people talk about it like it's an actual person. This tower was built in 1858, and has been where it is ever since. If this would be included in the game the assassin would definitely have a great eye of the city. From the looks of the leaked screenshots, seems like Big Ben will make it in the game.

THE TOWER OF LONDON
What can make London more historic than this iconic castle built in 1100, yes, this castle has been around for almost 1,000 years. This castle has seen it all, from being a prison, to being a place of refuge by the ruling class to the celebrated Guy Falkes Night.
Most especially this castle is created as a fortress, the landmark is sure worthy to be featured in Assassin's Creed: Victory. The Tower of London is also rumored to be haunted so that adds to its charm as a location for a game.

ST. PAUL'S CATHEDRAL
This iconic dome was designed by Sir Christopher Wren measuring a totally of 365 feet. This will really add that Victorian feel the smoggy Victorian streets of London. It was the tallest structure during the rain of Queen Victoria and it was up until 1962. Aside from its architectural feel, the church is also good for assassination plots because of its size ample amount of rooms for exploration.

10 DOWNING STREET
This one is not as iconic as the others, but for centuries the 10 Downing Street has been a symbol of power in London for quite some time now. Not just because it is the house of the current Prime Minister, many histories were made in this house. It may be hard to believe but that door has been around for 300 years and that small door has a total of 100 rooms. Might be a lovely idea if Ubisoft will make is Templar stronghold isn't it?

BUCKINGHAM PALACE
This is a must, as this is the ultimate British iconic architectural structure in London during the Victorian times, well until now. It won't be London without the Buckingham Palace. Plus, Ubisoft could rally use all the history this place has to offer.

ERICATHERINE
01-22-2015, 08:00 PM
Was the elephant accidentally crushed or...?

But in any case, that has gotten me interested
I'd like to visit a zoo in a game

Well, it's not much, but you can (and have to) go to the zoo of George Washington, in assassin's creed iii the thyranni of king Washington.

dargor5
01-22-2015, 08:07 PM
Since there usually fictional characters also on AC, how about Sweeney Todd for Victory?
Could be a helper of the assassin or a funny murder mistery :p that as a reward gives you "My Friends" (If you have seen the musical you know what that means)

Altair1789
01-22-2015, 10:44 PM
Since there usually fictional characters also on AC, how about Sweeney Todd for Victory?
Could be a helper of the assassin or a funny murder mistery :p that as a reward gives you "My Friends" (If you have seen the musical you know what that means)

He was like a barber or something, right?

wickywoowoo
01-22-2015, 10:52 PM
Since there usually fictional characters also on AC, how about Sweeney Todd for Victory?
Could be a helper of the assassin or a funny murder mistery :p that as a reward gives you "My Friends" (If you have seen the musical you know what that means)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/todd/bogeyman_1.html

Alphacos007
01-22-2015, 11:16 PM
Sixkeys pls:

http://media0.giphy.com/media/ZcItjPZq7lJ8k/giphy.gif

The_Kiwi_
01-22-2015, 11:41 PM
Jumbo was a legend, saving that other elephant
He must have been a beast to wreck that train
Hopefully he is in Victory

Altair1789
01-23-2015, 12:07 AM
I don't think there will be another initiate MD, based on the alpha healthbar. Ofcourse, this isn't final, but it's not like they would just make it for the trailer. They could still put your name and your gear level somewhere else, but according to other leaks and statements, I doubt things like initiate modern day, skill points, and customization will return

Yes, yes I'm sorry, it says no gameplay or stories, but 1 post doesn't hurt :p i hope

dargor5
01-23-2015, 12:43 AM
He was like a barber or something, right?
He wasn't "like a barber" he was a barber assassin :P


http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/todd/bogeyman_1.html

LOL
Wasn't aware of that I only watched the musical which I love, movie not so much

The_Kiwi_
01-23-2015, 01:26 AM
He wasn't "like a barber" he was a barber assassin :P

He wasn't an assassin
He was a demon barber

wvstolzing
01-23-2015, 01:42 AM
He wasn't an assassin
He was a demon barber

Like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NSDDuMVybc

GoldenBoy9999
01-23-2015, 01:54 AM
I've watched Sweeney Todd. I love it. I wouldn't want him as a main character obviously, but a nod to him in an achievement or a NPC like him would be cool. An Easter Egg of sorts. I really liked the musicals in it. :cool:

dargor5
01-23-2015, 02:36 AM
He wasn't an assassin
He was a demon barber

who assassinated people :P

dargor5
01-23-2015, 02:37 AM
but a nod to him in an achievement :

OH YES!! After slicing an X amount of throats, that'll be really funny

Ichrukia56
01-23-2015, 05:34 AM
Destructoid has made and article about this thread you made Goldenboy http://www.destructoid.com/assassin-s-creed-fans-best-guesses-for-victory-in-painstaking-detail-286537.phtml :)

HiddenKiller612
01-23-2015, 05:39 AM
Destructoid has made and article about this thread you made Goldenboy http://www.destructoid.com/assassin-s-creed-fans-best-guesses-for-victory-in-painstaking-detail-286537.phtml :)
Did they even give credit to the thread? Probably not.

wvstolzing
01-23-2015, 05:49 AM
Just skimmed it; the only member mentioned by name appears to be Namikaze_17.
Nice.

DragonAgeLegend
01-23-2015, 05:58 AM
Ur stinking up the place, young chap. Let me show u to the door.

I'm honestly sorry that you've been so accustomed to buying a half made, poorly optimized AC game that you would defend it with your life not knowing that you don't deserve this, none of us do. It's really, really sad to see. Without people like me, wanting more for the series, this game would go nowhere.

You can show me the door, but I will not leave. I love the series, I'm just sick of them releasing these half finished games, and so is most of the community. Something needs to be changed, if you do not support a change for the better, then you are probably one of Ubisoft's best customers.

Altair1789
01-23-2015, 05:58 AM
Tomorrow I'll be free to do some research and hopefully give you guys something interesting or significant to make up for my lack of contribution these last few weeks. Sorry about that :(

Also, very well done guys. Destructoid didn't give much credit where it was due, but now more people will know of this. Very well done :)

I-Like-Pie45
01-23-2015, 06:03 AM
They linked my post!

I'm so happy I'm gonna go find some campers with my big bear nose and steal all their stuff! Maybe even eat them! :D

wvstolzing
01-23-2015, 06:14 AM
I'm honestly sorry that you've been so accustomed to buying a half made, poorly optimized AC game that you would defend it with your life not knowing that you don't deserve this, none of us do. It's really, really sad to see. Without people like me, wanting more for the series, this game would go nowhere.

You can show me the door, but I will not leave. I love the series, I'm just sick of them releasing these half finished games, and so is most of the community. Something needs to be changed, if you do not support a change for the better, then you are probably one of Ubisoft's best customers.

He asked you to leave the *thread*, not the forums altogether. This is meant as a well-grounded speculation thread; so dialog of this sort is distracting & off-topic, that's all.
Critical comments & suggestions should go into another thread, since they are irrelevant to speculation with respect to setting.

Namikaze_17
01-23-2015, 06:38 AM
Just skimmed it; the only member mentioned by name appears to be Namikaze_17.
Nice.

Just read it.

I was so happy when I saw it. :D


Also, very well done guys. Destructoid didn't give much credit where it was due, but now more people will know of this. Very well done :)

Thank you, we all appreciate it. ^__^



He asked you to leave the *thread*, not the forums altogether. This is meant as a well-grounded speculation thread; so dialog of this sort is distracting & off-topic, that's all.
Critical comments & suggestions should go into another thread, since they are irrelevant to speculation with respect to setting.

This.

Ichrukia56
01-23-2015, 06:48 AM
They linked my post!

I'm so happy I'm gonna go find some campers with my big bear nose and steal all their stuff! Maybe even eat them! :D

Careful Yogi you do not want to alert Ranger Smith now ;)

GoldenBoy9999
01-23-2015, 06:49 AM
Destructoid has made and article about this thread you made Goldenboy http://www.destructoid.com/assassin-s-creed-fans-best-guesses-for-victory-in-painstaking-detail-286537.phtml :)

Thank you for sharing this! I loved this thread anyway and how it's grown but the fact that we were mentioned by an arguably famous journalist site is super awesome. I actually was joking around about a video but this is even better. It really makes you feel good. What's best is I actually want to be a video game journalist myself and this gives me great hope. :o


Tomorrow I'll be free to do some research and hopefully give you guys something interesting or significant to make up for my lack of contribution these last few weeks. Sorry about that :(

Also, very well done guys. Destructoid didn't give much credit where it was due, but now more people will know of this. Very well done :)

That's great. I shall try to do some research tomorrow as well. And don't feel bad, you are forgiven. You helped come up with the idea of this thread.

Thanks, it means a lot. I think Destructoid did a lot for us, it was very nice of them to publish an article based on a fan made thread. And although he doesn't mention my username, it's implied a lot and he quotes me a ton. Thanks!

Physiomer2015
01-23-2015, 10:19 AM
Someone should make a speculation thread about gameplay and story....

The_Kiwi_
01-23-2015, 11:51 AM
Someone should make a speculation thread about gameplay and story....

And have people do nothing but complain about how bad Unity was and that Victory will be no better? No thanks.
We don't need narcissism here, we try to keep it positive.

Ichrukia56
01-23-2015, 11:52 AM
And have people do nothing but complain about how bad Unity was and that Victory will be no better? No thanks.
We don't need narcissism here, we try to keep it positive.

^ This

X_xWolverinEx_X
01-23-2015, 11:55 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2015/01/23/read-some-fans-speculation-about-everything-assassins-creed-victory/

i ****ing did it :cool:

rrebe
01-23-2015, 12:07 PM
Congrats guys on making it big :cool:

Physiomer2015
01-23-2015, 12:27 PM
And have people do nothing but complain about how bad Unity was and that Victory will be no better? No thanks.
We don't need narcissism here, we try to keep it positive.
Wow great argument.Nit all people disliked Unity and regardless of that,some people may want to speculate about gameplay(eg grappling hook,no sword combat,stealth,gun fighting etc) or even speculate/suggest things about the story.And this thread is not about these issues,but about the setting etc...

The_Kiwi_
01-23-2015, 12:33 PM
Wow great argument.Nit all people disliked Unity and regardless of that,some people may want to speculate about gameplay(eg grappling hook,no sword combat,stealth,gun fighting etc) or even speculate/suggest things about the story.And this thread is not about these issues,but about the setting etc...

All you need to do is look at the front page of thread for this forum
If it isn't spam about some Indian fake passport crap, then it's a complaint about something wrong with Unity or Dead Kings
People would do nothing but complain about Victory, if given the chance

And you said it yourself; this thread is about the setting.
If you want to start a speculation thread about the story and gameplay, go ahead, no one is stopping you.

DragonAgeLegend
01-23-2015, 01:27 PM
He asked you to leave the *thread*, not the forums altogether. This is meant as a well-grounded speculation thread; so dialog of this sort is distracting & off-topic, that's all.
Critical comments & suggestions should go into another thread, since they are irrelevant to speculation with respect to setting.

Yes, my comment was made for the thread. I'll decide when I want to leave it, that's all. I also did contribute a few pages before, a lot of the replies I received were harsh in nature, while I just stated the obvious.

Fatal-Feit
01-23-2015, 01:37 PM
I'm honestly sorry that you've been so accustomed to buying a half made, poorly optimized AC game that you would defend it with your life not knowing that you don't deserve this, none of us do. It's really, really sad to see. Without people like me, wanting more for the series, this game would go nowhere.

You can show me the door, but I will not leave. I love the series, I'm just sick of them releasing these half finished games, and so is most of the community. Something needs to be changed, if you do not support a change for the better, then you are probably one of Ubisoft's best customers.

Thank you for the accusation, you must be so much fun at parties.

If you would like to speculate the setting, go right ahead, but your negativity will not be tolerated. There's the door, make your choice, have a good day.

Locopells
01-23-2015, 01:53 PM
All right guys, cool it.

The_Kiwi_
01-23-2015, 02:04 PM
All right guys, cool it.

I found him!
We wondered where you were :rolleyes:

GoldenBoy9999
01-23-2015, 02:25 PM
Thank you to everyone else who gave praise. And thanks to Wolve for sharing this thread on VG247. :o


I found him!
We wondered where you were :rolleyes:

Haha, thanks Kiwi. Things were getting a bit rowdy. :rolleyes:

Ichrukia56
01-23-2015, 02:29 PM
What about Edmund Reid appearing he did lead the Investigation in to the Jack the Ripper case and he retied form the Metropolitan Police in 1896 aged 49 due to ill health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Reid

JamesFaith007
01-23-2015, 02:51 PM
Maybe one of main antagonists? :cool:

Robert St. Clair - Erskine, 4th Earl of Rosslyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_St_Clair-Erskine,_4th_Earl_of_Rosslyn) (1833 - 1890)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Robert_Francis_St_Clair-Erskine.jpg/220px-Robert_Francis_St_Clair-Erskine.jpg

He was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland (1870 - 1873) and...

... wait for it...

Grand Master of the Order of the Temple from to 1884 till his death in 1890.

His family also owns famous Rosslyn Chapel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Chapel), which is tightly connected to legends of Holy Grail (you can see it f.e. in Da Vinci Code) and burial place of some templars knights.

http://www.the-big-picture.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/rosslyn-chapel-aerial-view.jpg


http://www.the-big-picture.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Gravestone-of-William-Sinclair-2.jpg

The_Kiwi_
01-23-2015, 02:53 PM
I found some very interesting facts about division of working classes in relation to location

It seems that the in-game London will have pre-set locations for different classes of people:

"During the Victorian era, industrial air pollution tended to be worse in the east and south east of London due to the prevailing westerly wind, with the result that the East End was settled more by the working classes, while the western part of the city was home to higher social classes."

This led to many pie shops opening in the area, as they could be held in one hand and were easily transported; perfect for labourers.

Perhaps a pie shop will be the equivalent of a café in Unity



Read more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_and_mash)

Namikaze_17
01-23-2015, 03:01 PM
I found some very interesting facts about division of working classes in relation to location

It seems that the in-game London will have pre-set locations for different classes of people:

"During the Victorian era, industrial air pollution tended to be worse in the east and south east of London due to the prevailing westerly wind, with the result that the East End was settled more by the working classes, while the western part of the city was home to higher social classes."

This led to many pie shops opening in the area, as they could be held in one hand and were easily transported; perfect for labourers.

Perhaps a pie shop will be the equivalent of a café in Unity



Read more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_and_mash)

There were also Pubs as well.

Their purpose? I can't say. :confused:


@James

Nice find, man. ;)

Cornik22
01-23-2015, 04:04 PM
Awesome! Great work, guys :)

jymithras
01-23-2015, 06:20 PM
On every AC they have taken a myth or a mysterious structure and related it to First Civ stuff, for example, most recently Dead Kings, the temple lies on the kings tombs, and they used the ransacking and looting (which really happen) to justify the story on the DLC.

I'm not well versed on English history or London architecture, but for you guys that are, were can these things be set?



Temple Church (built by the Knights Templar, noted for its documentation of history and interesting architecture) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Church (like in the DaVinci code)

I suspect St. Pauls will play a role as well.

dargor5
01-23-2015, 06:48 PM
Temple Church (built by the Knights Templar, noted for its documentation of history and interesting architecture) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Church (like in the DaVinci code)

I suspect St. Pauls will play a role as well.

Oh yes! Forgot about that one, good one hopefully some of this speculations turn to reality. Im looking forward more to roaming around Victorian London than in the story itself :)

Physiomer2015
01-23-2015, 07:38 PM
Anyone know the size of industrial London in comparizon with revolutionary Paris?I guees it is at least 50%,not sure what is going to happen ingame though....
Also,is there any slight chance to see any exotic british colony,like India?

JamesFaith007
01-23-2015, 07:55 PM
Also,is there any slight chance to see any exotic british colony,like India?

I strongly doubt about that.

Even small mission in India would require unique architecture, clothes, face features and wildlife to look real, too much work. If they ever go to India they would most probably set whole game there.

If they create missions outside London and its vicinity, it would be probably France (reusing of sources from Unity) or nearby Scotland and Ireland.

ERICATHERINE
01-23-2015, 08:19 PM
Anyone know the size of industrial London in comparizon with revolutionary Paris?I guees it is at least 50%,not sure what is going to happen ingame though....
Also,is there any slight chance to see any exotic british colony,like India?

Well maybe 1 mission. After all, they did it with Lisbonne in AC Rogue.

Alphacos007
01-23-2015, 08:34 PM
Funny how I appeared in both sites' articles but had my name sensored, they wrote "(a forum member)" instead :rolleyes:

It's nice to know that our work was recognized though! I honestly didn't expect anything like that.

JustPlainQuirky
01-23-2015, 09:38 PM
Congrats on thread featured in article, golden.

and nami for the namedrop ;)

Im not gonna bother predicting historical stuff because if it's to the same degree of Unity I doubt I'll even notice.

Altair1789
01-23-2015, 09:41 PM
Maybe all the attention around this will make Ubi release some confirmations :rolleyes:

Alphacos007
01-23-2015, 09:47 PM
Hope so. An alpha Announcement trailer like the one we had after Unity's leaks would be great enough for me.

JustPlainQuirky
01-23-2015, 09:49 PM
How about we get Chronicles China and surprise Rogue DLC first?

They said no Rogue DLC but there's been asks for it from all sides so.... *cough and a Rogue novel*

and if Rogue can be created in like 8 months then a short DLC should be able to be.....

Namikaze_17
01-23-2015, 11:01 PM
Congrats on thread featured in article, golden.

and nami for the namedrop ;)

Well thank you., May ;)


How about we get Chronicles China and surprise Rogue DLC first?

They said no Rogue DLC but there's been asks for it from all sides so.... *cough and a Rogue novel*

and if Rogue can be created in like 8 months then a short DLC should be able to be.....

Off-topic, But I agree. :)

Zafar1981
01-23-2015, 11:54 PM
I have no anticipation for Victory. For me its not even an Assassin's Creed game. I am now only waiting for Patrice Desilets new title. That game would be the new Assassin's Creed.

aL_____eX
01-23-2015, 11:55 PM
I have no anticipation for Victory. For me its not even an Assassin's Creed game. I am now only waiting for Patrice Desilets new title. That game would be the new Assassin's Creed.
How can you say that if you don't know anything about story and characters yet?

Zafar1981
01-24-2015, 12:01 AM
How can you say that if you don't know anything about story and characters yet?

That's a very good question. To be honest I don't have the answer. It was my feeling that I thought Assassin's Creed game was going to right direction(up until ACR) but gradually that feeling took a 180 degree turn. ACV would be a good game but they way Ubi$oft is now treating the title I have less confidence on it.

Namikaze_17
01-24-2015, 12:06 AM
I have no anticipation for Victory. For me its not even an Assassin's Creed game. I am now only waiting for Patrice Desilets new title. That game would be the new Assassin's Creed.

Then discuss that somewhere else.

This isn't an anticipation thread, it's a speculation one.

Christ, how many times must I repeat this!?


How can you say that if you don't know anything about story and characters yet?

This.

Ichrukia56
01-24-2015, 02:07 AM
Then discuss that somewhere else.

This isn't an anticipation thread, it's a speculation one.

Christ, how many times must I repeat this!?





^ This

The_Kiwi_
01-24-2015, 06:36 AM
London Zoo now absolutely HAS to be in AC Victory
If it is not, then I will cry

London Zoo became the first home for a kiwi outside of New Zealand, IN 1851

There has to be a zoo, and that kiwi has to be a part of it

Ubisoft, don't disappoint.


"In 1851, London Zoo became the first zoo to keep kiwi. The first captive breeding took place in 1945. As of 2007 only 13 zoos outside New Zealand hold kiwi. The Frankfurt Zoo has 12, the Berlin Zoo has seven, Walsrode Bird Park has one, the Washington Zoo has three, the Avifauna Bird Park in the Netherlands has three, the San Diego Zoo has five, the San Diego Zoo Safari Park has one, the National Zoo in Washington, DC has five, the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute has one, and the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium has three."

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi#Zoos)

Ichrukia56
01-24-2015, 07:37 AM
@ Kiwi i sure it will hopefully ;)

dargor5
01-24-2015, 04:43 PM
This might be a bit off topic but since it's an speculation thread :P

When you first start Unity and you are shown the panel to select Jack de Morley you see all the other "possible selections" as previous AC (example Washington and the wolf = AC3, Devils of the Caribbean= Black Flag). At the bottom there are 2 that look like modern times Jazz Junkies and Hell in Hibernia, which of those you guys think might be Victory?
To me is Jazz Junkies even though Victorian London was not about jazz kinda looks like the main character in the screens we saw

SixKeys
01-24-2015, 05:46 PM
This might be a bit off topic but since it's an speculation thread :P

When you first start Unity and you are shown the panel to select Jack de Morley you see all the other "possible selections" as previous AC (example Washington and the wolf = AC3, Devils of the Caribbean= Black Flag). At the bottom there are 2 that look like modern times Jazz Junkies and Hell in Hibernia, which of those you guys think might be Victory?
To me is Jazz Junkies even though Victorian London was not about jazz kinda looks like the main character in the screens we saw

Neither. They wouldn't spoil the design of the next game's character 1 year early.

JustPlainQuirky
01-25-2015, 01:14 AM
Watching Victorian London documentary to get ideas to add to this thread and....

wow...

lotsa dead kiddies and babies

like...A LOT

Cornik22
01-25-2015, 03:24 AM
Neither. They wouldn't spoil the design of the next game's character 1 year early.

But they would have no problem spoiling Victory's setting to those who knew where to look ( and I don't mean Kotaku's leak, I mean earlier). They even pointed to AC VII setting. I'm going to bed now, more details tomorrow.

emperior
01-25-2015, 10:32 AM
If the game lacks chimney sweepers and TONS of orphans, then it won't be accurate.
About time Ubisoft includes some kids in their game. There have been so few.

JustPlainQuirky
01-25-2015, 04:53 PM
if we can't kill kids then 2/10

dargor5
01-25-2015, 05:19 PM
if we can't kill kids then 2/10

For that kind of gameplay I think Hatred is coming out this year

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 07:34 PM
If the game lacks chimney sweepers and TONS of orphans, then it won't be accurate.
About time Ubisoft includes some kids in their game. There have been so few.

As long as they don't bring back those demonspawn from AC3.

JustPlainQuirky
01-25-2015, 07:41 PM
As long as they don't bring back those demonspawn from AC3.

"hahaha ahahaha ohhh oooohhh?"

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 07:45 PM
Wop wop wop?

Ta-daah!

Fatal-Feit
01-25-2015, 07:46 PM
We can't poach or interact with animals anymore, so I can see children/orphans getting the same treatment. (I would hope)

http://i.imgur.com/y7nP2Li.png

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 07:47 PM
But I want to poach children. :(

Altair1789
01-25-2015, 07:47 PM
Oh god let's stop with those annoying kids

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 07:50 PM
I actually wouldn't mind kids in the game if interacting with them was rewarding. Like you could bribe street urchins to deliver you sensitive information instead of pickpocketing some guy yourself. In AC3 I liked when they approached you with challenges by saying stuff like "hey mister, we'll let you join our super secret club", but then they never talked to you again so doing the challenges was boring.

GoldenBoy9999
01-25-2015, 07:52 PM
As long as they don't bring back those demonspawn from AC3.

Anything but that... plz.

Children played a pretty big role during this age so hopefully we can get less annoying kids for Victory. And we definitely need kids in it. It wouldn't make sense if we didn't see them.

JustPlainQuirky
01-25-2015, 07:54 PM
As long as there's no annoying kids like Leon.

I just want a quiet respectful child who behaves.

If he has to be energetic, then fine.

Just not to the point it gets annoying please.

Namikaze_17
01-25-2015, 08:05 PM
Hopefully they have actual lines and dialogue. :rolleyes:

Fatal-Feit
01-25-2015, 08:05 PM
@Quirk - Ur really over-exaggerating with Leon. It's not like he stalked and pressured Arno to no end, if at all. He was appropriate for his role.

Namikaze_17
01-25-2015, 08:21 PM
As long as there's no annoying kids like Leon.

I just want a quiet respectful child who behaves.

Actually, kids were obedient in this era.

You know, since it was the format of:

Man= Head of household
Woman= Have children, cook, etc
Children= Obedient, well behaved, etc



If he has to be energetic, then fine

Doubt it, the kids just looked depressed in this period.


Just not to the point it gets annoying please.

I'm sure they won't like Leon or something. XD

GoldenBoy9999
01-25-2015, 09:08 PM
@Quirk - Ur really over-exaggerating with Leon. It's not like he stalked and pressured Arno to no end, if at all. He was appropriate for his role.

I agree. It was never too bad. Right amount of childishness although he was trying to act mature.

JustPlainQuirky
01-25-2015, 09:11 PM
I just found him really really annoying.

Perhaps because I know children IRL similar to him. *shrugs*

Altair1789
01-25-2015, 09:19 PM
A kid similar to Leon? That kid ran around tunnels with raiders and hid guillotine guns. I'd not mind meeting a kid like Leon

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 10:43 PM
Actually, kids were obedient in this era.

You know, since it was the format of:

Man= Head of household
Woman= Have children, cook, etc
Children= Obedient, well behaved, etc


That was just the ideal they wanted to aspire to. Doesn't mean everybody actually behaved that way. The Victorians were masters at repressing their true feelings and it led to all kinds of problems.

Shahkulu101
01-25-2015, 10:55 PM
I hope we can pick up children with the grappling hook and swing them about.

Fatal-Feit
01-25-2015, 11:10 PM
^ Next-gen child abuse.

wvstolzing
01-25-2015, 11:16 PM
^ why does that remind me of Wesley Crusher-centric episodes of TNG?

Shahkulu101
01-25-2015, 11:19 PM
^ why does that remind me of Wesley Crusher-centric episodes of TNG?

No idea, Star Trek ain't my thing.

All I know is that if those rascals annoy me the first thing I'll attempt to do is lasso them up fling them into the Thames.

GoldenBoy9999
01-25-2015, 11:20 PM
No idea, Star Trek ain't my thing.

All I know is that if those rascals annoy me the first thing I'll attempt to do is lasso them up fling them into the Thames.

Sounds more like Just Cause to me. :rolleyes:

Shahkulu101
01-25-2015, 11:25 PM
Sounds more like Just Cause to me. :rolleyes:

Even though it would completely ruin the tone, a Just Cause-esque grappling hook would be amazing.

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 11:34 PM
I hope we can pick up children with the grappling hook and swing them about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3poU_0sK4

Namikaze_17
01-25-2015, 11:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3poU_0sK4

Jesus O__O

Poor children. :rolleyes:


That was just the ideal they wanted to aspire to. Doesn't mean everybody actually behaved that way. The Victorians were masters at repressing their true feelings and it led to all kinds of problems.

Yeah, I meant to say Ideal in there. You're right.

My fault. XD

GoldenBoy9999
01-25-2015, 11:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3poU_0sK4

Hopefully the children will have learned their lesson in 100 years time.

Seriously, SixKeys, join the Skype. : ^)

SixKeys
01-25-2015, 11:57 PM
Hopefully the children will have learned their lesson in 100 years time.

Seriously, SixKeys, join the Skype. : ^)

I will, eventually.

X_xWolverinEx_X
01-26-2015, 12:01 AM
sixkeys plz my heart beats for you that's the only reason i live for

Shahkulu101
01-26-2015, 12:07 AM
If I find this uncomfortable, I wonder how SixKeys feels.

SixKeys
01-26-2015, 01:21 AM
If I find this uncomfortable, I wonder how SixKeys feels.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/165/1/1/soft_yaoi_kiss_day_by_dk_ren-d53jb71.jpg

Shahkulu101
01-26-2015, 01:30 AM
By assuming that will make me uncomfortable you are assuming I am straight.

You assume correctly, please stop.

Fatal-Feit
01-26-2015, 01:40 AM
SIX KEYS

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/298/1/6/rainbow_dash___i_love_you_gif_by_vadgorfury-d5iwkal.gif

SixKeys
01-26-2015, 02:12 AM
By assuming that will make me uncomfortable you are assuming I am straight.

You assume correctly, please stop.

I'm bi and that pic makes me uncomfortable.

mohack221
01-26-2015, 04:32 AM
I have to colon holes

Kiltraki
01-26-2015, 02:46 PM
Looks like another thread that has derailed into "I love sixkeys" posts.
I love how that other guy that was being negative had everyone telling him he was off topic and to leave, but when people do "I LOVE YOU" posts it's completely fine.

I'm not even trying to be a ****head here, just pointing out a contradiction.

Should just make a single thread hailing sixkeys if you need to. I see these posts in like one in every three forum threads.

Namikaze_17
01-26-2015, 03:00 PM
Looks like another thread that has derailed into "I love sixkeys" posts.
I love how that other guy that was being negative had everyone telling him he was off topic and to leave, but when people do "I LOVE YOU" posts it's completely fine.

I'm not even trying to be a ****head here, just pointing out a contradiction.

Should just make a single thread hailing sixkeys if you need to. I see these posts in like one in every three forum threads.


You're right. You guys?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=56566,filename=2477759737_97b5ce7 bc6_o.gif

Can we get back on track now? :rolleyes:

Locopells
01-26-2015, 03:16 PM
That would be good...

Fatal-Feit
01-26-2015, 03:23 PM
I'm not even trying to be a ****head here, just pointing out a contradiction.

There's a difference between love and negativity, bruh.

Anyway, I was looking at pictures of Victorian London and I have a feeling we'll be able to jump from one moving cart/taxi/cab to another to traverse on the wide open streets like in AC3, but less tragic.

GoldenBoy9999
01-26-2015, 03:25 PM
There's a difference between love and negativity, bruh.

Anyway, I was looking at pictures of Victorian London and I have a feeling we'll be able to jump from one moving cart/taxi/cab to another to traverse on the wide open streets like in AC3, but less tragic.

That sounds pretty good. I expected something like that anyway. Would be pretty cool. Maybe we can get a free ride from them. :)

JamesFaith007
01-26-2015, 03:44 PM
Can we get back on track now? :rolleyes:

http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/secondary/69816.jpg

Queen Victoria agrees.

Namikaze_17
01-26-2015, 03:51 PM
http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/secondary/69816.jpg


Any one think the jewel around her neck is a POE?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

"Dalhousie arranged that the diamond be presented by Maharaja Ranjīt Singh's young successor, Dulīp Singh, to Queen Victoria in 1850."

"Dulīp Singh was the youngest son of Ranjīt Singh and his fifth wife Maharani Jind Kaur. Dulīp, aged 13, travelled to the United Kingdom to present the jewel. The presentation of the Koh-i-Noor and the Timur ruby to Queen Victoria."


Also :http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

Hans684
01-26-2015, 06:00 PM
Any one think the jewel around her neck is a POE?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

"Dalhousie arranged that the diamond be presented by Maharaja Ranjīt Singh's young successor, Dulīp Singh, to Queen Victoria in 1850."

"Dulīp Singh was the youngest son of Ranjīt Singh and his fifth wife Maharani Jind Kaur. Dulīp, aged 13, travelled to the United Kingdom to present the jewel. The presentation of the Koh-i-Noor and the Timur ruby to Queen Victoria."


Also :http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

The Koh-i-Noor was broken(shot), she most likely has a fake version.

Namikaze_17
01-26-2015, 06:23 PM
The Koh-i-Noor was broken(shot), she most likely has a fake version.

Perhaps.

But the connection is too close for there not to be a POE of some kind.

Besides, it got shattered. Maybe a piece of the real one somehow got inside the fake one?

Hans684
01-26-2015, 06:57 PM
Perhaps.

But the connection is too close for there not to be a POE of some kind.

Besides, it got shattered. Maybe a piece of the real one somehow got inside the fake one?

That's possible and would explain the countless assassination attempts.

Xstantin
01-26-2015, 07:17 PM
That's possible and would explain the countless assassination attempts.

If Victory follows the previous game's template we'll probably see these as some coop missions or London stories.

Namikaze_17
01-26-2015, 07:43 PM
That's possible and would explain the countless assassination attempts.


If Victory follows the previous game's template we'll probably see these as some coop missions or London stories.

Ah, good points.

BeastAssass1n
01-27-2015, 08:37 PM
I don't have much to contribute to the thread but i just wanted to drop by and say that i have been lurking here for quite a while and i'm very impressed with what people have come up with and speculated,thank you all for the fantastic job and thank you for giving me something to read while i am hardcore fangirling for ac Victory to come along already i just simply cannot wait any longer D;
Thank you again and as i said i don't have much to contribute right now...although i did find some pretty interesting information about the game

It's gonna be awesome

Namikaze_17
01-27-2015, 09:04 PM
I don't have much to contribute to the thread but i just wanted to drop by and say that i have been lurking here for quite a while and i'm very impressed with what people have come up with and speculated,thank you all for the fantastic job and thank you for giving me something to read while i am hardcore fangirling for ac Victory to come along already i just simply cannot wait any longer D;
Thank you again and as i said i don't have much to contribute right now...although i did find some pretty interesting information about the game

It's gonna be awesome


Of course, mate. ^__^

But don't you say you can't contribute, there's plenty of wikis and links people have provided that say otherwise.

Who knows? Perhaps you'll find something interesting. ;)

BeastAssass1n
01-27-2015, 09:30 PM
i have a confession though...i almost cried out of excitement when i watched the ac unity trailer(i'm not kidding)...i don't know how i will react when the ac victory one comes out

emperior
01-27-2015, 09:58 PM
I really hope AC Victory introduces some mini-games to play against CPU and players.

BeastAssass1n
01-27-2015, 10:05 PM
Of course, mate. ^__^

But don't you say you can't contribute, there's plenty of wikis and links people have provided that say otherwise.

Who knows? Perhaps you'll find something interesting. ;)

oh and sorry for the double post but i didn't say i CAN'T contribute... i just said i don't have much to contribute at the moment ^_^...sorry if i was unclear...okay i shall go play some more assassin's creed unity....who knows we might even find information about ac victory inside unity if we find any new easter eggs or such.

Namikaze_17
01-27-2015, 10:16 PM
oh and sorry for the double post but i didn't say i CAN'T contribute... i just said i don't have much to contribute at the moment ^_^...sorry if i was unclear...okay i shall go play some more assassin's creed unity....who knows we might even find information about ac victory inside unity if we find any new easter eggs or such.

Of course.

Good luck. :-)

GoldenBoy9999
01-28-2015, 12:45 AM
I don't have much to contribute to the thread but i just wanted to drop by and say that i have been lurking here for quite a while and i'm very impressed with what people have come up with and speculated,thank you all for the fantastic job and thank you for giving me something to read while i am hardcore fangirling for ac Victory to come along already i just simply cannot wait any longer D;
Thank you again and as i said i don't have much to contribute right now...although i did find some pretty interesting information about the game

It's gonna be awesome

Thanks!

It's nice to know others love AC Victory as much as me. :o

Try to hold your hype in. It's gonna be a long ride.

D.I.D.
01-28-2015, 12:48 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/22/death-city-grisly-secrets-victorian-london-dead


In this abridged extract from his new book Dirty Old London (http://www.dirtyoldlondon.com/), Lee Jackson investigates a much-overlooked aspect of the city’s notorious 19th-century filth problem: the human corpse

^ Worth a read - nice breakdown of the problems of graveyard sites among an exploding population

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-1430/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/22/1421919514758/d35684c1-ab06-4b50-8da1-5e11f80d1f94-2060x1236.jpeg

Actually, kids were obedient in this era.

You know, since it was the format of:

Man= Head of household
Woman= Have children, cook, etc
Children= Obedient, well behaved, etc




Doubt it, the kids just looked depressed in this period.



I'm sure they won't like Leon or something. XD

I don't know what you're basing this on -- historical drama? -- but that's not right at all.

It also sounds like you've fallen into a common trap of thinking of the Victorians in terms of their stereotypes. A lot of people have such a narrow idea of Victorian life that their first image of a Victorian is of a well-to-do upper middle class or upper class person, when in fact these people are not representative of Victorian life and were a minority (and even then, this sliver of society gets unfairly painted as inveterate conservatives, fainting at the sight of an ankle and so on, which is far from the truth for thousands of them). Their second image is one mainly informed by images of Oliver Twist, and the two make for a heavily polarised view of a society that doesn't help us to understand the reality. We wouldn't think it was appropriate to judge our countries today by such crude yardsticks, and would demand more nuance.

Namikaze_17
01-28-2015, 01:00 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/22/death-city-grisly-secrets-victorian-london-dead



^ Worth a read - nice breakdown of the problems of graveyard sites among an exploding population

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-1430/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/22/1421919514758/d35684c1-ab06-4b50-8da1-5e11f80d1f94-2060x1236.jpeg


Great, find. :)


I don't know what you're basing this on -- historical drama? -- but that's not right at all.

Yes, you're right. That's why I'm still researching stuff about that time.

I actually meant to say it was the assumed format of the setting, but I didn't edit it. XD

JamesFaith007
01-28-2015, 01:48 AM
There is one thing I was missing in Victorian thread, so here it is.

Locomotives, queens of steam age, and their trains

http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/nrm/worksphotos/Horwich/1997-7059_HOR_F_1141b.jpg
http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/nrm/worksphotos/Euston/1997-7409_LMS_1075.jpg
http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/nrm/worksphotos/Horwich/1997-7059_HOR_F_1138B.jpg


plus one "little" older bonus from same historical website. :)

http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/nrm/worksphotos/Derby/1997-7397_DY_16758.jpg