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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:14 AM
From a pure marketing perspective doesn't it seem fairly foolish to realease the payware add-on in January? Does UBI not realize that while the hard core fans will certainly pick it up they are missing out on a lot of potential mainstream customers who are going to be in a buying mood before Christmas? Also if a single plane is the reason for a later release date that is even more foolish. The only intelligent reason I can think of for waiting until January is that they are hoping to help their first quarter numbers out next year since they already have enough products to push around Christmas.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:14 AM
From a pure marketing perspective doesn't it seem fairly foolish to realease the payware add-on in January? Does UBI not realize that while the hard core fans will certainly pick it up they are missing out on a lot of potential mainstream customers who are going to be in a buying mood before Christmas? Also if a single plane is the reason for a later release date that is even more foolish. The only intelligent reason I can think of for waiting until January is that they are hoping to help their first quarter numbers out next year since they already have enough products to push around Christmas.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:16 AM
Originally it WAS going to be released in December,but was pushed back so Gib could do the Spits.....

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:16 AM
Maybe the product won't be ready for Christmas?
I'm sure they'd release before Christmas if it were possible.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:27 AM
I've already got a combat flight simulator on the shelf that was released "from a pure marketing perspective." It's release was well timed and it was well advertised but regarding performance it failed to deliver.

IMHO UBI can release it whenever they want to as long is it delivers the goods.

OC

Power to the Noobs.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:36 AM
Old_Canuck wrote:
- I've already got a combat flight simulator on the
- shelf that was released "from a pure marketing
- perspective." It's release was well timed and it was
- well advertised but regarding performance it failed
- to deliver.
-
- IMHO UBI can release it whenever they want to as
- long is it delivers the goods.
-
- OC
-
- Power to the Noobs.
-
-

I'll second that!!!!!quality not quantity

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:50 AM
First of all I don't believe that UBI is holding off the release because they want to have higher quality than quantity. Yes Microsoft did the marketing thing but good marketing and high-quality are not mutually exclusive. Microsoft would not have put out a better product no matter how much time they had. The add-on is being delayed for a single plane according to UBI but I guarantee that is not the real reason. If you actually believe that UBI doesn't consider marketing as much as any other company including Microsoft then you are naive. Why did FB go from an add-on to a new and separate release? Do you think maybe money played a small role in that decision?

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:05 AM
Paid addon won't go gold till december and multiplication/packaging/distribution will take another month...

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:38 AM
A lot of people ask for gift vouchers ,tokens etc for Christmas so maybe those in the know will wait until it is released in Jan and have a late Christmas/new year present.
What it does lose out on though is the impulse/mmmm,he/she may like this present and if he/she does'nt he/she can can it back type of purchasers.
It will also give any competitors a foothold in the market,maybe it will be a toss up between whats ready on the shelf before Christmas and a lost sale as alot of people won't be able to afford more than one game at a time.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:06 AM
Lol, maybe Ubi and Maddox make this new pay add-on a full price game with even more goodies in it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .
Remember, FB was meant to be an add-on too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

...

Ok, just joking. We'll see when that add-on will hit the shelves, and I will definitely buy it. And if it gets more delayed, who cares? As long as it's running smooth and worth it's price.
And you can bet that there will be at least one more patch after the pay add-on release, just to blow some few remaining odds outa the window.


- Future

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:26 AM
hopefully they are working on making the b17 flyable since cfs3 has a very good flyable b17 now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif a few months dont mean squad been looking at the development planes since il2 sturmovik over 2 yrs, I still stop by netwingwing where most the il2center people moved but its just screens and the feeling of I cant wait for that went away alonggggggggggggg time ago.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:29 AM
am happy to get a late pressie. January's pretty quiet after all that partying so paid add-on'll brighten a dull month up a bit.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:45 AM
I bet:

Patch 1.2 January 2004
Free AddOn April 2004
Pay Addon August 2004

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:49 AM
VVS-Manuc wrote:
- I bet:
-
- Patch 1.2 January 2004
- Free AddOn April 2004
- Pay Addon August 2004
-
-

Well, I'm not going to bet against you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Any takers? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:16 AM
"Anybody else find a January release silly?"


No.

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fluke39
10-22-2003, 11:32 AM
if it is due to the spit( whether it is or not who knows)then i suppose UBI must have done some kind of sum that produced the result that as it will be on the shelves for the next year - the extra sales it will gather in that year due to the spit will outweigh the extra sales they would get at christmas.ie:

Christmas sales(without spit) + sales for 2004/2005(without spit)

is less than

Sales for 2004/2005(with spit)

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:39 AM
No.

A sim of this quality requires a lot of work and time to do right!

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:43 AM
I hope they take all the time they need to get it right,6 months with a big smile is better than waiting 2 months and ending up spitting blood and teeth and waiting for patches [which they may not bother with] to get it right again,

fluke39
10-22-2003, 11:47 AM
o yes, and however much i would love to sit drinking a pint of baileys, eating chocalate in my new socks and smelling of my new deodorant, flying the Fw190D or who knows, maybe even a spit, on christmas day - i too would prefer it to be out in jan and done properly than out by christmas and rushed.

i guess they probably planned it for christmas - but as anyone who knows anything about IT related projects knows, it is guarenteed to end up taking longer than originally planned.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:54 AM
necrobaron wrote:
- Originally it WAS going to be released in
- December,but was pushed back so Gib could do the
- Spits.....

If this is true I don't mind at all.

If both Fievel and Gib can finish their work for the January add on we will have 4 Spits.

The MKV, MKIV and 2 versions of the MKXIV.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 12:12 PM
yeah from a marketing point of view i do it is a bit wierd as they could always include the Spitfire in patches.

I think they are hanging on to Lock-On for their big Christmas release though.

Lets hope SSI are as good as maddox eh?

Wilhelm

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 01:51 PM
ns = no spit


I am glad they are waiting cos XANTY may finish the CR~42 and jippo_88 may finish the Ju~88. Too bad about the Gladiator though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Although it would be sweet if they releace a Christmas addon package and next year releace another new "full" game like they did with FB, and call it PE-2

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:01 PM
Some games do better after the Christmas season. When alot of other games have been released previous to Christmas hype and are attempting to gather sales based on that, other games can do much better in the shadow of Christmas with fewer new releases and many people looking for something new in mid January.

It really doesn't mean much difference to me. I will buy this new pack to get all those new planes and content regardless of when it comes out...I'd rather wait for a full fleet of Spitfires and other RAF aircraft and whatever goodies can be packed in. Some of the twin engined strike aircraft sound fantastic!

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:10 PM
I'm hoping they go backwards, with the sound.

IL2 and IL2FB had excellent sound.
Now it is mostly crap, please backpedal
and get the sounds like they were.

I think they tried to take the technology
too far this time. Whatever settings the
sound man used, seem to be unavailable to
the rank and file.

But I'll buy anything they sell anyway,
well anyway if it's WWII oriented.

Rx

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:19 PM
It's a well-known fact that ONE of the reasons for the delay is the desired inclusion of the spitfire. My understanding is there are more planes that they would like to include other than the spit and the delay only increases the possibility they will be in it. It's not a given though as many are 3rd party models that will need to be approved by 1:C and any appropriate changes made.

Look to the nearer future at the pending "free add-on/patch thing" that should be out soon enough and enjoy the fact that it's the BEST prop-sim ever.



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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:03 PM
Most of time players hate most is "bugs", so Maddox may not want have "humbug" in that add-on if rush it for pre-Christmas release. They already had wrath on add-on before, so they don't want prefer not repeat it. Patient will be much worth. Go shopping for gifts for your loving family to share with them on gift as save enough money for add-on. May have Peace on World.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:10 PM
I personally consider manmy companies insistance on a christmas release to be rather stupid. There are many months when there is *nothing* being released, and gamers start looking for anything to keep them occupied. I know I've bought a large number of games during those down times that I never would have considered at another time of the year.

Conversly, I've missed games that I did want to play, simply because there were so many other games coming out at the same time, and I can't afford to just buy everything.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:13 PM
Wait a minute. DUH!http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif
I am just now starting to Think.

More Planes = More Price.

No matter what month of year of Releace. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Yes! More Planes! More Bug Fixes! More Everything!

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:31 PM
Janurary sales comes to mind /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:50 PM
The only reason i would justify for this slugish patching, and releases that are suppose to be free, and then hunger for money prevails (by the way FB is the BEST game i ever played, money is no issue to me, i would like to pay double for addons, and to pay for patches also) is REFLECTIONS, how come nobody noticed that plains must reflect on the places that has no paint? Janes WW2 fighters had tham years and years ago. If the quality is the reason for this neverending waiting for patches and adons, than reflections would be nice to put in. Besides that (and tracers that pop up from cockpit glass) game has no equal on the market (online play is breathtaking).
You realy are the BEST but SLOW.
Anyway, heil to the kings

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 04:02 PM
Bucinda wrote:
- Microsoft would not have put
- out a better product no matter how much time they
- had.
-
-


And after all - who in here could have done a better job... I mjean after all - ever time I turn my computer on - I curse Microsoft because - well - it always boots right up to the unstable OS - which causes me to have to reboot every other day or so - because I put to much crap on it - or have downloaded god know how many viruses - What a crap product - doesn;t even work with all the virus i have downloaded unknowingly..

Is that the Microsoft your talking about??

I get tired of hearing people complain about it - if you guys would quit jaking with it - that means stay out of the registry - don;t add file you have no clue what they do - do not delete somehting because you think that *.txt file should not belong in the WINDOWS Directory... I work for a rather large company in the IT side of it - I have to deal with people screwing their pc's 24/7 - I have set and watched then, via VNC Remote, delete sys32 files because they heard someone talk about it - screw with their registry to try and avoid the NOVEL login screen -

99% of computer problems could have been avoided if people would just leave well enough alone!

I am glad Microsoft exist - without it we would all be staring at Monochrome Monitors playing Pong - wishing we could afford the high tech pc that the industries have!! MS makes there money - wouldn;t you!

Anyway how many Pirated copies of Windows will be used to look at this post today? If you are using a Pirate Copy then you have no room to complain

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:44 PM
Thank You Bill for your perspective and endorsement of your company! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BM357_Disciple wrote:
-
- Bucinda wrote:
-- Microsoft would not have put
-- out a better product no matter how much time they
-- had.
--
--
-
-
- And after all - who in here could have done a better
- job... I mjean after all - ever time I turn my
- computer on - I curse Microsoft because - well - it
- always boots right up to the unstable OS - which
- causes me to have to reboot every other day or so -
- because I put to much crap on it - or have
- downloaded god know how many viruses - What a crap
- product - doesn;t even work with all the virus i
- have downloaded unknowingly..
-
- Is that the Microsoft your talking about??
-
- I get tired of hearing people complain about it - if
- you guys would quit jaking with it - that means stay
- out of the registry - don;t add file you have no
- clue what they do - do not delete somehting because
- you think that *.txt file should not belong in the
- WINDOWS Directory... I work for a rather large
- company in the IT side of it - I have to deal with
- people screwing their pc's 24/7 - I have set and
- watched then, via VNC Remote, delete sys32 files
- because they heard someone talk about it - screw
- with their registry to try and avoid the NOVEL login
- screen -
-
- 99% of computer problems could have been avoided if
- people would just leave well enough alone!
-
- I am glad Microsoft exist - without it we would all
- be staring at Monochrome Monitors playing Pong -
- wishing we could afford the high tech pc that the
- industries have!! MS makes there money - wouldn;t
- you!
-
- Anyway how many Pirated copies of Windows will be
- used to look at this post today? If you are using a
- Pirate Copy then you have no room to complain
-
-
-
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 07:52 PM
This is why the add-on was delayed.


http://www.gibbageart.com/images/SpitV-38.jpg



Oleg considers the Spit "very important", dont you? Without the Spit V (Lend/Lease) there would be no added VVS missions (no new VVS aircraft) and then it would not sell well in Russia. Besides, there is also a large buying rush AFTER Chrismas when everyone returns there copy's of CFS3 there less informed relitives got them and buys the add-on with that money.

Does that make more sense?

Gib



No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:06 PM
The paid add-on will be on my Christmas list regardless of the release date. I'll guess at the price and ask my wife to get me copy of it whenever it comes out.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:28 PM
nice, the nose, cannons and wing roots are too angular thouugh, or is it still being made?

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:30 PM
Zeus-cat wrote:
- The paid add-on will be on my Christmas list
- regardless of the release date. I'll guess at the
- price and ask my wife to get me copy of it whenever
- it comes out.
-
-

LOL!

Your post is funny! It sounds like something I'd write.




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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:46 PM
Delayed only for the Spit!


personally I've always disliked a after xmas relaease of any game I've wanted mainly due to the xmas break ie spare time being only 2 weeks long!

It's the only opportunnity to play your favorite games 24/7 for 2 weeks (ie non-stop) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Give the users the option of downloading the SPit after Xmas if that be the case.

Anyway reality check tells me, that the Spit WOULD HAVE TO BE conpared with all performace aspects against nearly all the planes so as not to have a flaming forum xmas!!!!

In that case, the longer the better to get this plane on my hardrive

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:47 PM
Its funny that everybody on this thread is saying "well I will buy it whenever it comes out". Of course we all will! I already said that the hard-core fans will buy it no matter what and I am very much in that group. I just thought the timing was strange from a marketing perspective.

I don't think Microsoft is across the board crap if that seems to be implied. I think that CFS3 just doesn't match FB and I don't think having more time for them to work on CFS3 would have changed that fact.

Gibbage,

I hope you don't take any of my comments to be critical of your work. I love your work and will be forever grateful that you brought the P-38 to FB.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:53 PM
No offense taken. I was just posting the reason. I did not ask for Oleg to delay it. I told him I could have the Spit done by early Nov, and the next think I know the add-on is delayed for me! I dont know weather this is a good thing or a bad thing, but what's done is done. Im ahead of scedual on the Spit (As long as Jeronimo is making good progress) and I think everyone will be greatful to have a spit even if they need to wait 1 month.

As for CFS3, I think the engine is good, but all the models are crap. Some of the noobies model better then what they have. HORRIBLE!!! What ticks me off is there artist's are getting paid BIG BUCKS for making such crap 3D models and I am struggling to make rent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Life is not fair.

Gib

Bucinda wrote:
- Its funny that everybody on this thread is saying
- "well I will buy it whenever it comes out". Of
- course we all will! I already said that the
- hard-core fans will buy it no matter what and I am
- very much in that group. I just thought the timing
- was strange from a marketing perspective.
-
- I don't think Microsoft is across the board crap
- if that seems to be implied. I think that CFS3 just
- doesn't match FB and I don't think having more time
- for them to work on CFS3 would have changed that
- fact.
-
-
- Gibbage,
-
- I hope you don't take any of my comments to be
- critical of your work. I love your work and will be
- forever grateful that you brought the P-38 to FB.
-
-
-



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No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:02 PM
I hope they release it when its Perfectaly DONE not a second before.



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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:17 AM
I don't find a January release date silly.

Whats silly is when they say a game is supposed to be out on x/xx/xx and tell everyone, and then 20 months after that date the game is still unreleased (ex Lock-ON, and what happened to Shadowbane)

What happened to Shadowbane was it took so long to come out, by the time it was released it's graphics were out of date. Here's to this not happening with Lo-Mac, as their graphics are pretty much like IL2

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:54 AM
BM357_Disciple wrote:
-
- Bucinda wrote:
-- Microsoft would not have put
-- out a better product no matter how much time they
-- had.
--
--
-
-
- And after all - who in here could have done a better
- job... I mjean after all - ever time I turn my
- computer on - I curse Microsoft because - well - it
- always boots right up to the unstable OS - which
- causes me to have to reboot every other day or so -
- because I put to much crap on it - or have
- downloaded god know how many viruses - What a crap
- product - doesn;t even work with all the virus i
- have downloaded unknowingly..
-
- Is that the Microsoft your talking about??
-
- I get tired of hearing people complain about it - if
- you guys would quit jaking with it - that means stay
- out of the registry - don;t add file you have no
- clue what they do - do not delete somehting because
- you think that *.txt file should not belong in the
- WINDOWS Directory... I work for a rather large
- company in the IT side of it - I have to deal with
- people screwing their pc's 24/7 - I have set and
- watched then, via VNC Remote, delete sys32 files
- because they heard someone talk about it - screw
- with their registry to try and avoid the NOVEL login
- screen -
-
- 99% of computer problems could have been avoided if
- people would just leave well enough alone!
-
- I am glad Microsoft exist - without it we would all
- be staring at Monochrome Monitors playing Pong -
- wishing we could afford the high tech pc that the
- industries have!! MS makes there money - wouldn;t
- you!
-
- Anyway how many Pirated copies of Windows will be
- used to look at this post today? If you are using a
- Pirate Copy then you have no room to complain

If it wernt for microsoft we would all be using our colour screens with nvidia 5900s and ati 9800s on stable and fast os;s like Linux *BSD OSX, vavle used windows and got burned, the windows i curse is that thing that gets viruses by just being connected to the internet, has lovely holes that allow users complete control over your system, and lets not forget those lovely license agreements it has.


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