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Halgas73
05-28-2004, 02:41 PM
any way to do it? i could print out a chart, but would like to be able to read airspeed in mph or knots and altitude in feet. right now i'm using the calculator in my handy dandy camera phone to make conversions. not exactly real time. btw i'm endeavoring to hook up the old 3d glasses to a 9800 pro 256. i've read all the disappointing posts and will let you guys know if i come up with anything. if i don't come back, avenge my death.


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Halgas73
05-28-2004, 02:41 PM
any way to do it? i could print out a chart, but would like to be able to read airspeed in mph or knots and altitude in feet. right now i'm using the calculator in my handy dandy camera phone to make conversions. not exactly real time. btw i'm endeavoring to hook up the old 3d glasses to a 9800 pro 256. i've read all the disappointing posts and will let you guys know if i come up with anything. if i don't come back, avenge my death.


My Specs:

Water Cooled Lian Li PC 75
Danger Den Water Blocks on CPU/Vid/N Bridge
Intel P4 3.0 GHz 800 MHz FSB@3.546 Ghz 944 FSB
DFI Lan Party Pro
1 Gig Corsair 4000 Pro 500 DDR w/activity LEDs
Radeon 9800 Pro 256 Meg
Sound Blaster Audigy 2
2 W/D 10,000 RPM 36 Gig Raptors in Raid 0
250 Gig W/D Caviar Edition
Logitech Z-680 (Running Digital and Analog, and yes i can play DVD's in the

elusive 5.1 Digital)
Sennheiser PC 150 Headset
ATI TV Wonder Pro w/ Remote Wonder
Pioneer DVR-A06
Lite-On 52X Burner
Lite-On DVD-ROM
22" Viewsonic P225fb
Logitech Mx 700
Eluminx Keyboard
Thrustmaster Tactical Board
E-Dimensional Wireless 3D Glasses
Sidewinder Game Voice
Sidewinder Force Feedback 2
Sidewinder Strategic Commander
Sidewinder Dual Strike
Thrusmaster Dual Power
Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP
Win XP Pro

reddevil49
05-28-2004, 03:51 PM
AS far as I know its not possible

ElektroFredrik
05-28-2004, 03:55 PM
Are you American?
You could try learn metric, it's really easy
once you get the hang of it and lots of people
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HotCarl73
05-28-2004, 04:31 PM
yes i'm american. i know it's easier and that the rest of the world uses metric, but i've been using english units for 31 years now and it's just how you think. if i hear 100 kmh i know it's about 62 mph, but it takes a second to register it. i'm sure it works that way for ->metricans<- too. (if you ever had any reason to)

ploughman
05-28-2004, 05:02 PM
Are you a Ametrican?

Or are you a Ametrican't?

ploughman
05-28-2004, 05:02 PM
Nice rig by the way.

mortoma
05-28-2004, 05:20 PM
I don't think it's a matter of learning the metric system. I think most americans understand the base 10 system well enough ( I.E.- 1,000 millimeters per meter, 100 centimeters per meter, so on so forth ). I think it's the problem of relating how many kilometers in a mile or how meters compare to yards and feet, stuff like that. I mean we are still so used to the english system. Really not much to learn as far as the metric system goes, it's the comparison when you're used to another system that hurts. Any normal person should be able to learn the system in a day or two if they don't already know it. I know both systems well but I still prefer the old system. The aviation community still largely uses the old system in the states too. Even outside of the U.S., pilots still use feet instead of meters, in commercial aviation anyway. I also like the fact that the fahrenheit temperature system has a much finer resolution than centigrade system does.

acklington
05-28-2004, 05:44 PM
When attempting to discuss metric measurements with my brother-in-law (who has not interest in aerial warfare) he always replys "The Luftwaffe was in metric and look what happened to that." It is unlikely to help but I find it mildly amusing. When on the edge of a stall on finals in a British aeroplane metric measurements can get a little difficult to cope with, so it is not just the Americans. During WWII there were hairy incidents caused by the confusion between US and Imperial gallons which could result in aircraft not flying as far as they were supposed to.

During the period that Forgotten Battles recreates British and American aircrews did not operate in metric units so there is an argument for US and Imperial measurements, regardless how we cope with them nowadays.


Regards
Acklington

jeroen-79
05-28-2004, 05:48 PM
The Celsius and Kelvin scales can have as fine a resolution as you want.
Add a decimal and your resolution is ten times bigger.

With FB's new data exporting capability you can convert flightdata into any format you want.

El Turo
05-28-2004, 06:05 PM
It ain't rocket science.

Take the KPH and multiply it by 6 in your head.. that's going to be pretty close to your speed in MPH less a couple zeroes. If it isn't an "easy" number, break it up into parts. Takes about 2 seconds to figure it out in your head.

400kph ~ 240mph

300kph ~ 180mph

250kph ~ 150mph

380kph ~ 220-230mph (3x6=18, 8x6=4.8, 18+4.8 = 22.8) I just don't bother with the point-eight.. 18+4 is 22.. 220mph. After all, we're only talking about what we need on the fly here for approximations, not exact numbers.



Altitude, multiply your meters by 3 and add 10% to get feet.

3km ~ 9.3k feet

500m ~ 1650ft


Airspeed indicator error, lapse rate of appx 2% per 1,000 in altitude. So, at 20,000ft.. add 40% to your indicated airspeed to get your true airspeed.


All quick, easy "in your head" examples.

Give em a shot.

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Weather_Man
05-29-2004, 12:41 AM
The best solution is to just keep flying every day for the next 3 years until it's ingrained into your head.

Worked for me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FatBoyHK
05-29-2004, 01:42 AM
just disable the speed bar, and read the panel.... that is how i solve the problemhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
05-29-2004, 01:49 AM
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For all those peoples that count in feet and milles and find it difficult to count in meters and centimeters, do you count your money in base twelve? Or does one dollkar make 100 cents?

Sensei.

Tully__
05-29-2004, 02:18 AM
Forget conversion real time, just learn your critical speeds in both scales. Since the maps are all in km, the speed bar is useful for navigation (when it's available). For flying using the cockpit instruments, takeoff/landing/stall/Vne speeds need to be known in the scale the cockpit instruments use.

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Bearcat99
05-29-2004, 02:59 AM
Go to thyis thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51910959). Look for the conversion chart at the bottom of the first page. Like Tully said memorize the critical speeds also use the cockpit gauges. Plus keep in mind that most cars have an English and metric scale. When you are driving around look at the metric and keep in mind wee it is inrelation to english, After a while it will stick.

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DuxCorvan
05-29-2004, 03:16 AM
I think it should be an option.

In Spain we use metric measurements only, but I've been using feet and mph for sims since the first one came out, so I'm so used to it that I also found it strange IL2 using metric at first.

There's no problem at all for me, I can use both systems without much trouble, but I think it would be better to make it a choice.

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Friendly_flyer
05-29-2004, 03:46 AM
It stil rurprises me that a conversion feature is not bult into the game. After all, it's just very simple math. I don't mind, really (as a Norwegian; I find the imperial system fairly exotic), but it would have been nice to make mission briefings in imperials for British/American missions.

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HotCarl73
05-29-2004, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Haddock55:
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For all those peoples that count in feet and milles and find it difficult to count in meters and centimeters, do you count your money in base twelve? Or does one dollkar make 100 cents?

Sensei.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
actually "one dollkar" makes barbie happy.

i realize that all the conversions are simple and just take "two seconds". it's just that when you've been doing it your whole life, it's just easier to do that way. i'm not saying one way is better. i just prefer english, and would like to be able to use it. thnx for all advice.

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F19_Gazoo
05-29-2004, 04:12 PM
Well, I read somewhere that Nasa smashed a probe into Mars just for this mixup with metric and english measurement. To bad ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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SwingerSpecial
05-29-2004, 05:08 PM
Superquick formulas for quick approximation:

KM/H to MPH - Divide in half and add 10%
Meters to Feet - Multiply by 3 and add 10%

Also, don't hesitate to round up, especially with the speeds. E.g. 380km/h, easier to think just even 400 and you'll end up close enough.


I do understand the problem of perceiving strange units of measurement. I find it very difficult to estimate large measurements in US units, small measurements seem to be easier for some reason.



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Menthol_moose
05-29-2004, 05:10 PM
"The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it. "

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FA_Maddog
05-29-2004, 06:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Are you a Ametrican?

Or are you a Ametrican't?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you a European?

Or are you a Euro-peon?

SodBuster43
05-29-2004, 07:35 PM
This sim is supposed to be historical in nature. I believe we Americans used the Imperial system back in WWII. I haven't checked lately but aren't the gauges in The British and American planes showing Imperial units? I think the speedbar should reflect the units that are displayed on the gauges.

T_O_A_D
05-30-2004, 12:45 AM
I can't remember and I don't seem to have file anylonger. But someone used to have a file hosted up. With a cruch to convert ti easily. I have it printed out and taped to monitor. Meter to feet down the side and Km to Miles actoss the top. Look around maybe you can find it on one of the squad sites, or something.

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IL2-chuter
05-30-2004, 12:54 AM
Ok - if it's so ******* easy to use a little mental gymnastics to convert from one format to another why the hell can't it be programmed. Whoops - must be to hard . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Oberst_Bill
05-30-2004, 05:45 AM
A quick smart *** analogy, it seems that according to the rest of the world we Americans all put together wouldn't make a half wit. Its not as simple as converting numbers in your bucket of grey matter. It is something ingrained into us, our sense of distance, speed, timing, how can one keep an accurate sense of where you are if you are theoretically moving hundreds of feet per second. Secondly its a simple request that has merit.

SPLASH_1
05-30-2004, 06:16 AM
Just an option to give you either or would be a bonus mph is definitly my prefered choice of speed mesurment, being British we have had metication since 1970 we weigh our food in kilo`s, fill our cars with litres but still drive to the shop at mph (yards and miles)a bit annoying.

just a thought since the US is the biggest market(????) it would make sense to have mph and feet at the very least when flying US and British aircraft

In my opinion US marines have it the hardest they fly at feet travel in kilometers and speed at knots in the air and mph on the ground....

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HARD_Sarge
05-30-2004, 09:38 AM
posted 29-05-04 16:08
Superquick formulas for quick approximation:

KM/H to MPH - Divide in half and add 10%
Meters to Feet - Multiply by 3 and add 10%

ahhhh, now that is scary, guess I been going low and slower a lot more then I thought !!!!

I get antsy, when I start to hit 500 KM in a dive

hmmmm, don't seem like I have ever really hit over 720 with out breaking parts of my plane off

thanks for the shortcut, that will be of help

HARD_Sarge

wayno7777
05-30-2004, 11:26 AM
You can use either in EAW. Also, the units in use for each a/c was the default for that country. EAW allowed switching.

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Inadaze
05-30-2004, 11:36 AM
Here's a conversion chart.

http://www.fscwv.edu/users/rheffner/overlays/convert1.pdf

It appears the half it and add ten percent is VERY approximate http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ahhh. It's not so bad if you use 10% of the original kmh rather than 10% of the halved ammount. Moi mistake. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Lucius_Esox
05-30-2004, 12:12 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Mmm,
This one bugged me for a while but it really is easy,, Times the speed by 6 and the height by 3. The speed one is more accurate than the height becuase of the difference between a metre and a yard.

heywooood
05-30-2004, 12:31 PM
maybe someday we'll join the rest of the world..meh..maybe not.

Rebel_Yell_21
05-30-2004, 01:07 PM
I bet (and sincerely hope) that BoB will have the option, since the coding cannot be changed in the current engine. Especially since air traffic controllers the world over use feet and knots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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SodBuster43
05-30-2004, 01:57 PM
Apparently we Americans like a challenge and are required to know both the metric and imperial systems of weights, volumes and measures. Both systems are taught in our schools and our science programs follow the rest of the world with strict adherence to the metric system. Of course it was proposed that the United States would make the shift to the metric system at some point but this has not completely happened yet and who knows if it ever will.

As a result of this we are required to have both metric and English tool sets in order to work on automobiles or anything else for that matter, the speedometer in our automobiles must indicate both mph and kph in case we venture over the border, and the weights, measures and volumes of our consumer goods are listed on the packaging in terms of imperial units and their metric equivalent.

So, WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY IN THE DARK ON THIS CONCEPT !!!!!

GP_Echo
05-30-2004, 02:17 PM
I am also an American, but have grown accustomed to metric units because of my engineering training. As an aside, the imperial system needs to go here, and frankly, I get irritated when people are too lazy to try. The metric system is much more logical than the imperial, and is based on fundamental parameters in nature.

For a quick conversion for speed from imperial to Metric, or visa versa, remember that there are 80 km in 50 mi. Thus, there are 80 kmph for every 50 mph.

If any of you have run track here in the U.S., you will recall that a one mile race is 1600 m (which is 1.6 km). This example is another way to see the 1.6 km to every 1 mi ratio (8/5). Using this logic, 160 kmph is 100 mph, 320 kmph is 200 mph, and 400 kmph is 250 mph (adding 80 kmph to 320 requires adding 50 mph to 200 mph). Just remember the 80/50 rule, and you will be fine.

[This message was edited by GP_Echo on Sun May 30 2004 at 03:50 PM.]

Rebel_Yell_21
05-30-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GP_Echo:
...a one mile race is exactly 1600 m...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except that one mile is exactly1609.344m. Sorry, couldn't resist...

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AdmiralWarlord
05-30-2004, 04:22 PM
Would it not make sense to use the simplest measurement system ?

GP_Echo
05-30-2004, 04:50 PM
Thanks for the update...I shouldn't say "exactly."

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heywooood
05-30-2004, 05:37 PM
precisely.

ImpStarDuece
05-30-2004, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by acklington:
When attempting to discuss metric measurements with my brother-in-law (who has not interest in aerial warfare) he always replys "The Luftwaffe was in metric and look what happened to that." It is unlikely to help but I find it mildly amusing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Franzen
05-30-2004, 10:03 PM
As a Canadian we learnt "standard" (English is the wrong term) and "metric". I much prefer metric since it's quite logical but can work well with both systems. If it takes .5 seconds to make a convertion in your head, is that really a problem? I get more lag from my outdated cpu and net connection. I still like the Nike system; "Just do it"

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