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FI-Aflak
03-31-2004, 12:57 PM
One thing I have been longing to experience for a long time is the experience of flying a plane with a primitave radar to intercept and kill enemy aircraft.

Can we PLEASE have a flyable P-61 Black Widow?

Its one of my dreams . . . .

We don't have the list yet, but pleeeeease tell me its in there or will be added!

FI-Aflak
03-31-2004, 12:57 PM
One thing I have been longing to experience for a long time is the experience of flying a plane with a primitave radar to intercept and kill enemy aircraft.

Can we PLEASE have a flyable P-61 Black Widow?

Its one of my dreams . . . .

We don't have the list yet, but pleeeeease tell me its in there or will be added!

Lucky_Skunk
03-31-2004, 01:02 PM
Yes, I agree. The P-61 would be outstanding.

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PERSEUS1953
11-10-2005, 05:07 PM
would like to get runway lighting to be able to land it!!

ImpStarDuece
11-10-2005, 05:45 PM
The external was completed for PF and the modeler paid for his work, but it is not going to be included for a number of reasons. There was an interesting thread on it at SimHQ last month. I don't know if the internals were done, but I haven't seen any information on them.

So, essentailly, the answer is NO. At the moment it appears there are no plans to include any nightfighters in the game.

d9720267
11-10-2005, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FI-Aflak:
One thing I have been longing to experience for a long time is the experience of flying a plane with a primitave radar to intercept and kill enemy aircraft.

Can we PLEASE have a flyable P-61 Black Widow?

Its one of my dreams . . . .

We don't have the list yet, but pleeeeease tell me its in there or will be added! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, I never thought of that before, but it's an EXCELLENT idea, especially the primitive radar (should be easy to model ... ?)

How about a Lancaster sim with realistically modelled H20 and terrain-mapping radar?

3.JG51_BigBear
11-10-2005, 08:22 PM
F4U-2s and F6FNs would have made great additions to Pacific Fighters but as has been said, it looks like we'll never have true night fighters in this series.

LEXX_Luthor
11-10-2005, 08:50 PM
Normally I bury these threads by reminding the gaming enthusiast that in this sim, the AI gunners see and shoot in the dark, and all AI fighter pilots see, dogfight, and shoot to kill in the dark. But not today.

I don't have to anymore as LCD monitors will soon kill the future for any Night Combat flight simming. LCDs can't display black and the night sky.


mhenley:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">....It has been known since the very beginning that flat panel monitors were not capable of displaying true black, yet consumers were more concerned about desk layout, weight of product, and were sometimes even swayed by taking into consideration that they might occaisonally need to move around their desktop pc's monitor.

I'm willing to bet that Doom3 didn't receive as much appriciation from the gamers, because the gamers made poor choices, and the industry suffered as a result. This may be a factor in game companies no longer making space sims, due to the recent popularity of game-destroying display equipment.

As far as your comment, "There is no longer a possible way to obtain a realistic level of black...", yes, its possible, with CRT. Ask anybody who does CAD work, <span class="ev_code_yellow">or any game enthusiast who refuses to give up what LCD cannot provide</span>... blackness.

~&gt; http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=962453&page=4&pp=20 (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=962453&amp;page=4&amp;pp=20)
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L33T-Zoolander
11-11-2005, 12:02 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Normally I bury these threads by reminding the gaming enthusiast that in this sim, the AI gunners see and shoot in the dark, and all AI fighter pilots see, dogfight, and shoot to kill in the dark. But not today.

I don't have to anymore as LCD monitors will soon kill the future for any Night Combat flight simming. LCDs can't display black and the night sky.


mhenley:: [QUOTE]....

How about PF's old trick of simply maxing out the brightness on your CRT and turning off all the lights?
Hey, nerds like to get kills once and a while.

Good Hunting,
Zoo

Saburo_0
11-12-2005, 11:57 AM
You might look into Strike Fighters- check the forum at sim hq for the downloads. It was built with radar in it for early jets. People ave added Me110 & Ju88 nightfighters and a Mossie FB6. Haven't had time myself, but think it offers the best shot of primitive early radar night fighting. Esp since FBPF aircraft always seem to have their nav lights on.
Oh though the BOE Hurricane Night Intruder missions are very cool.
Cheers,

arrigoni1961
11-13-2005, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FI-Aflak:

Can we PLEASE have a flyable P-61 Black Widow?
Its one of my dreams . . . .

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P-61 (only as AI, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif too many problems for Oleg adding radar to IL-2) was modeled by PlaneEater.
It could be destinated to a PF's patch, ...until a certain American company threw a wobblie... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif:
http://forums.netwings.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171&page=1&pp=10 (http://forums.netwings.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171&amp;page=1&amp;pp=10)
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micksaf
11-13-2005, 02:47 AM
It ain't true anymore that LCDs can't show "true" black.
The new Samsung syncmaster 770 P has a 1150/1 contrast ratio,French test here :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/594-1/samsung-syncmaste...-pva-6ms-1500-1.html (http://www.hardware.fr/articles/594-1/samsung-syncmaster-770p-pva-6ms-1500-1.html)

So Oleg please ....X'mas is rapidly approaching !!

luftluuver
11-13-2005, 05:42 AM
Isn't the Mossie coming? Would not be too much trouble to do a NF cockpit. Anyways the Mossie is much better than any ol' P-61. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

raisen
11-13-2005, 07:33 AM
hehehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I don't think that you want anything to do with any H2O emitted from any Lancaster, as it would likely be in the form of yellow ice... The radar was the H2S terrain mapping radar.

Raisen

JunkoIfurita
11-14-2005, 01:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't have to anymore as LCD monitors will soon kill the future for any Night Combat flight simming. LCDs can't display black and the night sky. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Lexx I fly night missions all the time with my LG 1980Q LCD. Firstly, none of the night skies in IL-2 are actually jet black, they are more of a deep navy, which a good LCD displays very well. You need a decent contrast ratio (at least 500:1, 1000:1 is better), but it's entirely possible to fly and get kills at night on an LCD.

As to the no true black, that's true, but they're getting closer. The ViewSonic VX924 has a special aspect of its pixel engine for emulating true black, and I dare say you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. The problem is that LCD pixels can't 'not' be rendered (as works for black scenes on a CRT - it just turns the gun off for that millisecond). So they have to mask the pixels with an opaque layer. That used to be a fairly poorly accomplished task (i.e. as of last year), but the improving technologies leave little to be desired, except for an instantaneous response time maybe (4ms is very good, but a CRT is less than 1ms, and the eyes know the difference).

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Feathered_IV
11-14-2005, 05:48 AM
The real trick is being able to make the AI aircraft keep their nav lights switched off. Otherwise you are just chasing Christmas trees http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I really wish there was a line you could type into the config, Lights_off=1 or some such that would disable these. At least then you could get some realistic Wilde Sau missions going.

PlaneEater
11-14-2005, 12:26 PM
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LEXX_Luthor
11-14-2005, 04:58 PM
Thanks Junko. It's a shame that LCD pixels are on all the time and must be thinly masked to offer darkness. I would hope they would invent a monitor with pixels that were turned off until they were needed. I imagine that would save alot of power consumption possibly, or would that ViewSonic be something like that maybe?



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't have to anymore as LCD monitors will soon kill the future for any Night Combat flight simming. LCDs can't display black and the night sky. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Lexx I fly night missions all the time with my LG 1980Q LCD. Firstly, none of the night skies in IL-2 are actually jet black, they are more of a deep navy, which a good LCD displays very well. You need a decent contrast ratio (at least 500:1, 1000:1 is better), but it's entirely possible to fly and get kills at night on an LCD.

As to the no true black, that's true, but they're getting closer. The ViewSonic VX924 has a special aspect of its pixel engine for emulating true black, and I dare say you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. The problem is that LCD pixels can't 'not' be rendered (as works for black scenes on a CRT - it just turns the gun off for that millisecond). So they have to mask the pixels with an opaque layer. That used to be a fairly poorly accomplished task (i.e. as of last year), but the improving technologies leave little to be desired, except for an instantaneous response time maybe (4ms is very good, but a CRT is less than 1ms, and the eyes know the difference).

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Feathered_IV
11-15-2005, 05:28 AM
Maybe it would be possible to get some decent co-op missions going. If you could have one player flying a 110 and another sitting in the back, relaying the information they see on the map screen and giving course headings. Bomber crews do likewise and man all the guns keeping a lookout....

Might just work.

Waldo.Pepper
11-15-2005, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PlaneEater:
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Me too!

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