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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:44 AM
1c or anyone who is involved with fms in here, I recently aquired some il2 rocket gun cam footage ( 3 reels )it doesnt say which version of the il2, The rockets in the footage of ww2 are not pinpoint accurate like in fb lining up exactly on the crosshairs, it usually takes 3-4 to hit a tank with many missing the target, in il2 fb they need to be less accurate and have them vere above and then below the gunsite. But im sure 1c already knows this.

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:44 AM
1c or anyone who is involved with fms in here, I recently aquired some il2 rocket gun cam footage ( 3 reels )it doesnt say which version of the il2, The rockets in the footage of ww2 are not pinpoint accurate like in fb lining up exactly on the crosshairs, it usually takes 3-4 to hit a tank with many missing the target, in il2 fb they need to be less accurate and have them vere above and then below the gunsite. But im sure 1c already knows this.

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:55 AM
one answer we got about this subject was like this: in the start of to war rockets werent so accurate, because groundcrew didnt know how to handle to rockets, so they tend to twist and broke rockets tail wings, so rockets didnt stay on course. when ground crews were istructed about correct handling of rockets , the accuracy rose up to current status. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

odd that russians forget correct handling of rockets with their newest helicopters etc. again the rockets have some deviation, can clearly see it on Hokum military video, and other helos vids too, at somewhere internet found those.
some comissar neede to tell cround crew again how to load rockets etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 02:09 AM
I would love to see that footage.!

one big problem is unguided rockets were often fired in multiples.
You cant do that in IL2, only one pair in the air at a time.

The russians pioneered the Air to Air use of rockets to get the firepower to take down bombers. They were hard to use so their use A to A use droped off. I think that is why you cant carry them on some later aircraft types.

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Shark

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 06:49 AM
About 5 rockets landed on target per 200 fired, in WW2.

Generally, taking out heavily armoured tanks by bombs or rockets were vastly ineffective, and it required each nations to develop specialized planes for the task, to decimate machines of war on the battlefield. The effective way of getting rid of enemy tanks, were to get a tank of your own to engage it, or use those special planes.



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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 09:44 AM
rgr kweas, in il2fb 10-10 can land on target with ease

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 02:46 PM
kweassa wrote:
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- About 5 rockets landed on target per 200 fired, in
- WW2.
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- Generally, taking out heavily armoured tanks by
- bombs or rockets were vastly ineffective, and it
- required each nations to develop specialized planes
- for the task, to decimate machines of war on the
- battlefield. The effective way of getting rid of
- enemy tanks, were to get a tank of your own to
- engage it, or use those special planes.
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- Due to pressure from the moderators, the sig returns
- to..
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- "It's the machine, not the man." - Materialist, and
- proud of it!


Very true. I read brits got 5% hit accuracy with their rockets in test conditions to tank sized targets.

There was quite a bit dispersion (trajectory depending on launch conditions of each rocket) and in actual combat rockets were mostly fired in salvos.

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 09:26 PM
yep this probably never get corrected..

also VVS planes should need some tuning on the weight of the rockets.. those things were not that ultra light you know..

Currently some VVS planes have no negative perfomance impact on when carrying the rockets.. like Lagg3 or Yak.

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 09:36 PM
u can ripple them off
use limited ammo /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 02:01 AM
It was about some percentage with cannons... only 5-10% hits. Now you cant say what aircraft cannons was so innacurate by they nature. Its just very hard to aim well - all these turbulence, recoil and complex ballistic...

Also Pokryshkin downed at least 4 bombers with rockets, Golubev at least 2 fighters... So these rockets was not so bad if used well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 12:46 PM
in reality, even the ground crews were learnt to keep the stabilizers not bent, the IL-10 attack plane (follower of IL-2) was not equipped with rocket rails "due to inaccurateness of rocket fire".
I would really like to get some inaccuracy for those rockets, it would feel much more real. Have you ever seen a salvo of Katyushas? 10m far from launcher, and some of the rockets have 20? deviation already /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 02:39 PM
I've been practicing on my rocket use and I find that you can't really just line it up in the sights, you need to be set above the sights and usually off in one direction or another to actually land a hit. Plus how often do you actually score a direct hit as opposed to a proximity blast which also takes out the target...

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