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panther3485
02-28-2004, 08:48 PM
Hi Guys!

Been planning my new rig for a while now so I can retire my faithful (but ageing) P3 866. At long last, the tree is about to bear fruit. I've got prices for most of the hardware I want and it should all be coming together over the next few weeks.

"So what?", I hear you all thinking.....

Well, hopefully I can get some of you guys to help out with a bit of advice here and there, cos I lack experience in a few key areas and would appreciate a few pointers from experienced gamers/simmers (few and far between in my neck of the woods).

To start with, my experience with OS's is limited and I have really only used W95 and W98SE on home PCs (though I've used NT at work). Until a few days ago, my experience with XP was ZERO.

To help correct this before the birth of my new 'baby', I re-formatted my old faithful and long suffering P3 to XP Pro. Contrary to one of my friends, who went from 98SE to XP only grudgingly, my first impressions were that I like the new OS very much!

But this leads me to my first questions:

In a previous thread, some of you guys discussed the maximum amount of RAM that could be addressed by 98SE and the concensus seemed to be that 512MB was the limit, although a few people reckoned there was a way to work around it so you can use more.

Now I would like to know, what is the maximum RAM that can be addressed by XP and what is the OPTIMUM amount for my new rig? Where would perfomance improvement fade away and have me spending more money without a worthwhile gain?

The motherboard I've chosen can take up to 4 gig if you put 1 gig in each slot, but the 1 gig sticks are VERY F***ING EXPENSIVE, way more than double the 512's. (4x 512 would, of course, give me 2 gig)

The planned specs for my new baby are:

Tower/Case - Lian Li PC-60
Power Supply - Antec 480W 'True Blue'
Motherboard - Intel D875PBZ
Processor - Intel P4 3.2GHz 'C' class 800FSB
Memory/RAM - Hynix DDR400/PC3200 (amount?)
Hard Drive - 2x WD 120GB SATA (RAID Striped)
Graphics Card - Not yet finalized
Sound Card - Not yet finalized

Any constructive comments or suggestions on the last two items, or anything else I've selected, would be welcome. My main aim is to get good performance but still have bullet-proof stability and reliability.

I would like to purchase proven components, that have been fully reviewed and assessed as good. I have a reasonbly generous budget but I refuse to throw money away. I've not had experience with overclocking so if I can do without it, so much the better.

I may have more questions in the next couple or so weeks!

Thanks guys,

Best regards to all,
panther3485

panther3485
02-28-2004, 08:48 PM
Hi Guys!

Been planning my new rig for a while now so I can retire my faithful (but ageing) P3 866. At long last, the tree is about to bear fruit. I've got prices for most of the hardware I want and it should all be coming together over the next few weeks.

"So what?", I hear you all thinking.....

Well, hopefully I can get some of you guys to help out with a bit of advice here and there, cos I lack experience in a few key areas and would appreciate a few pointers from experienced gamers/simmers (few and far between in my neck of the woods).

To start with, my experience with OS's is limited and I have really only used W95 and W98SE on home PCs (though I've used NT at work). Until a few days ago, my experience with XP was ZERO.

To help correct this before the birth of my new 'baby', I re-formatted my old faithful and long suffering P3 to XP Pro. Contrary to one of my friends, who went from 98SE to XP only grudgingly, my first impressions were that I like the new OS very much!

But this leads me to my first questions:

In a previous thread, some of you guys discussed the maximum amount of RAM that could be addressed by 98SE and the concensus seemed to be that 512MB was the limit, although a few people reckoned there was a way to work around it so you can use more.

Now I would like to know, what is the maximum RAM that can be addressed by XP and what is the OPTIMUM amount for my new rig? Where would perfomance improvement fade away and have me spending more money without a worthwhile gain?

The motherboard I've chosen can take up to 4 gig if you put 1 gig in each slot, but the 1 gig sticks are VERY F***ING EXPENSIVE, way more than double the 512's. (4x 512 would, of course, give me 2 gig)

The planned specs for my new baby are:

Tower/Case - Lian Li PC-60
Power Supply - Antec 480W 'True Blue'
Motherboard - Intel D875PBZ
Processor - Intel P4 3.2GHz 'C' class 800FSB
Memory/RAM - Hynix DDR400/PC3200 (amount?)
Hard Drive - 2x WD 120GB SATA (RAID Striped)
Graphics Card - Not yet finalized
Sound Card - Not yet finalized

Any constructive comments or suggestions on the last two items, or anything else I've selected, would be welcome. My main aim is to get good performance but still have bullet-proof stability and reliability.

I would like to purchase proven components, that have been fully reviewed and assessed as good. I have a reasonbly generous budget but I refuse to throw money away. I've not had experience with overclocking so if I can do without it, so much the better.

I may have more questions in the next couple or so weeks!

Thanks guys,

Best regards to all,
panther3485

Bearcat99
02-28-2004, 09:10 PM
Well if you got a mobo with a Soundstorm APU on it you wouldnt need a sound card. If you get the one you stated then an Audigy2 would be a good choice.....or a Soundstorm card come to think of it as they are going to be making off mobo APUs (I know that isnt the term Im looking for but its all I could think of) real soon. as far as the video card.... a 9800XT no doubt.... or if you are partial to GF a GF5950Ultra I think it is...but with a setup like that you want a top of the line video card. I would go with a G of RAM too although you could probably get by with 512 all things considered... a G would make a more well rounded package and the rig would probably last you for years....

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diomedes33
02-28-2004, 09:18 PM
Looks pretty good so far.

I've never seen RAID on anything but a server, not sure how it holds up for a pc. Probably be fine, though there's no way you'll be pushing as much data as a server would. When I was working tech support and building computers SCSI was the way to go, but EIDE and ATA I think are comparable now. Somebody may want to comment on this because I'm a little behind the times.

For RAM I don't see how you'll need more than a gig, unless you're going to be producing full length hollywood movies.

I have 512 in mine right now with an Athlon 2.4 GHz. Runs very smooth at 1024x768. If I had twice as much memory could run it at higher resolutions.

The biggest thing is the graphics card. This seems to be the biggest bottle neck for gamming. So if you can afford it go for the top performing geforce or ati cards.

you might want to try posting in the tech support forum, I think its called Il2 Community Support forum now. You'll get a more concise answer about computer specs and il2.

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XyZspineZyX
02-29-2004, 01:38 AM
panther3485:

Video
At least 1024 Mb Ram (2-512Mb sticks)
I'm partial to nVida but started with ATI. Get either brand but go for a 256Mb card. Takes more of the rendering load off the main CPU.

Sound
Soundblaster Audigey 2. Most games are written with Soundblaster cards in mind. Unless you want the added features of the Z2 card, a plain SBA2 should be more than suffcient.

My 2 kopecks worth.



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arcadeace
02-29-2004, 01:56 AM
One gig of ram should be enough. I also agree either brand of video card will do as long as its top end. A consensus of reviews I've read indicate negligible difference between 128mb and 256. Those knowledgable in the Community Help forum have stated the Audigey 2 does not tax the system resources and won't drop frame rates. Some other cards do.

As a suggestion if you have a video card you can use up to a couple of months, the new ATI420 should be on the market. Supposedly its far superior to their 9800 XT. It will cost more but it may result in a very significant improvement.

Also, if you are in the US try PriceWatch.

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panther3485
02-29-2004, 03:52 AM
Hi Guys!

Thanks heaps, Bearcat99, diomedes33, Beebop_54 and arcadeace.

For the moment then, looks like I'm going for:

Graphics - GeForce FX5950 Ultra
Sound - Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2
RAM: No less than 1 gig, no more than 2

With the GPU, I know that tests put equivalent Radeon cards a bit in front and theyr'e usually a tad cheaper too, but I've always favoured the Nvidia based cards, preferably the ASUS ones (just a personal preference).

Thanks a bucketful, guys. I'll come back if I've any further questions.

Best regards,
panther3485