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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 08:37 AM
When the sun is straight above you (about 10 am untill 14pm) it's very hard to spot planes below you.

While on other times, in the morning and evening and with fog!, it's much more easy to spot planes below you. This a bit strange.

In the morning and evening (less sun) and foggy weather = easy to spot planes below you.

Alot of sun (10am untill 14 pm) and no fog = very hard to see planes below you.

Just my observation and perhaps it would be nice that you can spot planes below you more easy when the sun is straight above you. But maybe this is right?

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 08:37 AM
When the sun is straight above you (about 10 am untill 14pm) it's very hard to spot planes below you.

While on other times, in the morning and evening and with fog!, it's much more easy to spot planes below you. This a bit strange.

In the morning and evening (less sun) and foggy weather = easy to spot planes below you.

Alot of sun (10am untill 14 pm) and no fog = very hard to see planes below you.

Just my observation and perhaps it would be nice that you can spot planes below you more easy when the sun is straight above you. But maybe this is right?

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:32 AM
I find the cockpit glass reflections are the thing to look out for... help ocasioanlly anyway - but only if the plane below is turning, most probably /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:05 AM
Iam not sure but I think I read a comment by real pilot who said that in IL2 it is indeed harder to spot planes against the ground. Could be just my imagenation though.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:40 AM
It is harder to spot ac against the ground. It's one of the things IL-2 does well. Going into a 1 v 1 the high man has the advantage of E, but the low man should find it easier to spot the enemy against the sky. It is also harder to spot ac against a wooded background, which IL-2 also seems to model well.

You could be right, however, about the dawn and dusk thing. Certainly mist and poor visibility near the ground ought to hide an ac and not highlight it. It is also harder to spot things close to the ground around sunrise and sunset. Up at 5 km the sun might actually have risen, putting the observer in bright light, but the object close to the ground could still be in the pre-dawn twighlight, so will be hard to spot. Once the sun is properly up I'm not sure that time of day makes a great difference.

Another thing that would be great to have is wingflash. If you constantly manoeuvre you're more likely to give away your position than if you fly with straight lines.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:01 AM
Its harder to spot planes in IL2 than in real life because in game there is no light reflections in planes (exept when looking very close) because they are just small grey squares on distance :]

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 04:53 PM
Nikodemus-LH wrote:
- Its harder to spot planes in IL2 than in real life
- because in game there is no light reflections in
- planes (exept when looking very close) because they
- are just small grey squares on distance :]
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so it is more difficult to use B&z tactics than in real life(icon is off).but this is very important for luftwaffe player.in contrast t&b is far more easy here.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:13 PM
Even with icons on, you can't see aircraft below you at very low level because the icon disappears. Sorry, but this is a big flaw in the sim. It favors low altitude turn and burn planes. Aircraft are almost completely camouflaged agains trees and the like while in real life their motion would give them away.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:22 PM
there are some more issues:

IL2 "high distance plane modells" are done very different and at the same distance you can get everything, a point for a big airplane and a large picture for a small plane

another problem are the graphic settings.
you can try this in QMB, hit PAUSE when the enemy is 1000m below you over forest then play with the graphic settings


VERY IMPORTANT, when flying "full real" servers
1. know the high distance modell of the plane your flying
and of the planes your flying against
2. set terain and plane graphic details to LOW

I was shoot down many times until I learned that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

quiet_man

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:29 PM
This works amazingly:: Use FMB to put winter skins on aircraft flying over summer/water maps. They show up against the ground/sea like little shining stars. For large missions with many aircraft, let them have default skins, and then go into text files *.mis and Search and Replace all the default bmp with the winter void.bmp

-- 2. set terrain and plane graphic details to LOW

Not so sure about the plane settings because at LOW they look real crummy. Better, set TexQual=0 and other terrain settings in "conf" file. You can keep plane details high, keep object/plane visibility distance high (set = 3 in "conf" file) while keeping these *independent* of terrain settings. (FB grafix menu tends to mix them up together)



Message Edited on 06/29/0310:32PM by LEXX_Luthor

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:42 AM
Slechtvalk wrote:
[snip]
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- While on other times, in the morning and evening and
- with fog!, it's much more easy to spot planes below
- you. This a bit strange.
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- In the morning and evening (less sun) and foggy
- weather = easy to spot planes below you.

Maybe it is not so strange after all. The fog creates a solid light background which makes it easier to see a dark object moving across it or through it. Same principle for overcast skies: "A solid overcast sky presents a more uniform and more contrasting background against which target aircraft can be seen." ( http://www.flightsight.com/publications.html, select from pulldown menu this title,"Improving Air-to-Air Target Detection", and press [GO])




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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:28 AM
RedHarvest wrote:
- Even with icons on, you can't see aircraft below you
- at very low level because the icon disappears.
- Sorry, but this is a big flaw in the sim. It favors
- low altitude turn and burn planes. Aircraft are
- almost completely camouflaged agains trees and the
- like while in real life their motion would give them
- away.
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-

You are running the game in Direct X mode is why the icons dissapear. If you run in Open GL you will see the icons no matter where the plane is as long as it is within range.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:40 AM
Lexx

if you have skin dload off - is there a way to make all default skins you see be white?

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:49 AM
One big key is how high you fly and how far plane below you.

If you go on mission to hunt for IL2 then fly slight low to spot them easy. If you want to fly in long distance then fly higher to make hard for enemy plane to climb to catch you. That give you time to spot ememy plane as they climb as it lost speed. Use your judgement how high to fly on different missions. Of course, If you are LW then fly higher for B&Z.


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:08 AM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- Lexx
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- if you have skin dload off - is there a way to make
- all default skins you see be white?
-

That would be a cheat!

That's why the default skins are stored in a non-standard format--so, they cannot be manipulated while in disk file storage.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:29 PM
quiet_man wrote:
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- 2. set terain and plane graphic details to LOW

Not quite. Set terrain detail to lowest, set object detail to highest. Also set terrain lighting to flat, object lighting to best.

Lower resolutions with antialiasing/ansiotropic filtering helps a lot.

Stencil buffer should be off.

These settings yeild the best visibility when looking for planes that are low.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:34 PM
"...the default skins are stored in a non-standard format--so, they cannot be manipulated while in disk file storage."

Good!

I was worried that this could be manipulated - whew! Glad they did that!


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Message Edited on 07/03/0304:34PM by Recon_609IAP