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FWdreamer
02-22-2004, 06:35 AM
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now this is not meant to start a flame war nor am i that the fw or the 1b is overmodeled, yet when i have flown an a4 or a5 (using the boost in a5) flying at level and around 2k meters i could not outrun the yak 1b, it caught up with me, though slowly. I had no damage to my plane so i know i was going at top speed. I had 100% prop pitch, rad closed and throttle 100% and i could not out run him. He eventually hit my wing with some green snot and broke it clean off. Cant wait for that CDM for the 190. so can anyone verify the yak1b was really this fast, or did i do something wrong other then getting caught?

Thanks
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FWdreamer
02-22-2004, 06:35 AM
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now this is not meant to start a flame war nor am i that the fw or the 1b is overmodeled, yet when i have flown an a4 or a5 (using the boost in a5) flying at level and around 2k meters i could not outrun the yak 1b, it caught up with me, though slowly. I had no damage to my plane so i know i was going at top speed. I had 100% prop pitch, rad closed and throttle 100% and i could not out run him. He eventually hit my wing with some green snot and broke it clean off. Cant wait for that CDM for the 190. so can anyone verify the yak1b was really this fast, or did i do something wrong other then getting caught?

Thanks
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IAFS_Painter
02-22-2004, 06:47 AM
100% prop pitch? And not auto pitch?

You can get more speed out of an a4 by balancing pitch to speed. You may need to consider reducing pitch.

You don't indicate altitude - at low level the Yak 1b will be easier to get speed out of than the 190 a4, though overall, the Yak will be slower than a WELL HANDLED A4.

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Hunde_3.JG51
02-22-2004, 08:56 AM
I disagree Painter, the A-4 and all FW-190A's obtain their top speed at 100% prop-pitch. Auto-pitch slows 190A's down considerably (especially the A-4).


Dreamer,the A-4 has a slight speed advantage over the 1B at sea-level, not sure about 2,000m but they are probably close. It should never catch the A-5 though. My guess is he had an energy advantage or something if he caught you in A-5. The Yak-1B may be able to catch the A-4 outright at specific altitudes but I would think not, all things being equal.

Btw, the Yak-1B according to what I have read should be a '43 plane, not a '42 plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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p1ngu666
02-22-2004, 09:01 AM
hax0r ai perhaps?
also he might not be using trim

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IAFS_Painter
02-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Sorry, I wasn't clear, auto-pitch can be confused with 100% ... it's on thy same key

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FWdreamer
02-22-2004, 09:37 AM
"hax0r ai perhaps?
also he might not be using trim" by p1ngu666 as i am new to using the FW190 models i am still learning how to get the best performance out of them. I do not know how or what to trim on these planes and would be grateful if anyone could tell me the best way to trim out the 190 series please? In regards to the the yak 1b these instances are done while flying against squad mates. In the a5's case he dove on me a a bit after i went on a bombing run. it took him about 9 minutes to catch up enough to get hits on my wings, and you can guess what happened. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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JG14_Josf
02-22-2004, 10:00 AM
IL2compare shows the 190 A4 to be 20kph slower than the Yak1B between 3500 and 4000 meters when both planes are at MAX power.

The FW190A4 is shown to be consistantly slower and as much as 40kph slower from 0 to 5000 meters when the Yak is at MAX power while the FW190A-4 is at 100% power.

When selecting Auto pitch on the FW190s there appears to be no difference in performance from the manual pitch setting of 50% prop pitch.

IL2/FB appears to model Auto pitch in the FW190s as a cruise or reduced RPM setting.

The FW190A5 at 100% power is shown on IL2compare to be Consistantly slower than the Yak1B at MAX power below 5,000 meters, however when the FW190A5 is also at MAX power the Yak1B is 100kph slower at 6,000 meters, 10kph slower at 3,000 meters, and about 60kph slower at sea level.

IL2compare is presumed as being innacurate.

p1ngu666
02-22-2004, 10:12 AM
theres only evilvator trim on 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
set 2 keys/buttons to trim up down, maybe nutral too
u need to hold the trim down a bit and after a pause itll take effect. its really odd the first few times, trim for level flight to start with, or slight climb
and u need to adust trim as the speed varies too

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WUAF_Badsight
02-22-2004, 09:30 PM
Yak 1b & Yak 3 both slower in verticle & horizontal in Patch v1.21 & v1.22 over patch v1.11

ElfunkoI
02-22-2004, 10:42 PM
I have noticed this before also. I think it is because to get best performance out of the 190A series (my assumption) you have to adjust pitch with speed. Refer to Scalps 190A9 manual.

nixon-fiend.
02-23-2004, 02:41 AM
It wasn't a yak 1b

The said plane doesn't have guns with green tracers. period.

Since you talk of "green snot" I must conclude you were shot down by a different variant/plane.

horseback
02-23-2004, 08:50 AM
Trim for LW a/c also involves applying a little rudder, if you're not at cruise throttle setting; left rudder below cruise, and right rudder when you're above it. It's not as pronounced as in the original Il-2 (the trim tabs weren't modeled as properly preset), but you still have to watch the ball and keep it centered. I believe your rudder application depends on how much torque your engine is generating, so it's not so much a matter of speed as how much throttle is applied.

Elevator trim can be assigned to buttons on your stick or HOTAS; it needs constant adjustment, because your lift varies with your speed. In this respect, your artificial horizon is a quicker reference than the climb indicator. Of course, if your stick is all the way forward and you're STILL climbing, that's another clear sign you need some nose down trim too.

Cheers

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