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Gunner_361st
05-24-2004, 09:36 AM
Morning gents.

Was just scrolling through one of my books, "World War Two Aircraft" By Christopher Chant, and I stumbled upon a nice color photo of a BF-109 F4/R1 parked in front of a shot-down Short Stirling. I'll write the caption below...

"Above: A David and Goliath comparison as a BF-109 F-4\R1 is posed in front of a shot-down Short Stirling, Great Britain's first four-engined heavy bomber. The R1 suffix on the German fighter's designation refers to the pair of 20-mm MG-151/20 cannon with 120 rounds per gun mounted in the gondolas under each wing. This Rustsatz or Field Conversion Set was introduced as a result of front-line complaints about the BF-109 F's lack of firepower, but had an adverse effect on the fighter's handling characeristics and performance."

I don't have a working scanner so can't scan the picture. Sorry gents. But anyway... They look practically identical to the option we do have for the BF-109 G2. I and I think many others would much appreciate it if this option was available for the F4 variant. It'd work perfectly for a new North Africa Bomber Intercept mission I made. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG

P.S. - Thanks for bombs for the Spitfire! Now if only the Hurricane can get herself some... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Gunner_361st
05-24-2004, 09:36 AM
Morning gents.

Was just scrolling through one of my books, "World War Two Aircraft" By Christopher Chant, and I stumbled upon a nice color photo of a BF-109 F4/R1 parked in front of a shot-down Short Stirling. I'll write the caption below...

"Above: A David and Goliath comparison as a BF-109 F-4\R1 is posed in front of a shot-down Short Stirling, Great Britain's first four-engined heavy bomber. The R1 suffix on the German fighter's designation refers to the pair of 20-mm MG-151/20 cannon with 120 rounds per gun mounted in the gondolas under each wing. This Rustsatz or Field Conversion Set was introduced as a result of front-line complaints about the BF-109 F's lack of firepower, but had an adverse effect on the fighter's handling characeristics and performance."

I don't have a working scanner so can't scan the picture. Sorry gents. But anyway... They look practically identical to the option we do have for the BF-109 G2. I and I think many others would much appreciate it if this option was available for the F4 variant. It'd work perfectly for a new North Africa Bomber Intercept mission I made. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG

P.S. - Thanks for bombs for the Spitfire! Now if only the Hurricane can get herself some... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1087.jpg

Kurfurst__
05-24-2004, 11:49 AM
Indeed 109F-4/R1s existed in considerable numbers, just a few additions, they had 15mm MG 151 guns to my knowladge, not the /20 cannons the Gustavs had.

The most important difference was, probably, that all Gustavs (and K-4) could be equipped with gunpods, the wiring etc. was built in the factory in them from the start, in all planes, however for the Friedrich series only the planes that were preapered for that in the factory (these are the F-4/R1s), the other series (ie. plain F-4s or f-2s) could not mount it for the lack of wiring, strenghtened wing, ie. built in ability to accept the gondolas.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945