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lucas_valentine
03-07-2004, 10:04 AM
I've just been looking on the US site EB. On their main page is a large advert for AEP. This leads me to think that Il2 must be a major title over there. Here in the UK Il2 is a relativley minor title...in fact if you're not into flight sims you probably would not have even heard of it!! If you went into any of the normal high-steet shops over here like Game and PCworld and asked them about the release date of AEP they would probably ask you what the hell you were talking about!! We British seem to be more interested in games like the Sims and GTA....Am I right??

lucas_valentine
03-07-2004, 10:04 AM
I've just been looking on the US site EB. On their main page is a large advert for AEP. This leads me to think that Il2 must be a major title over there. Here in the UK Il2 is a relativley minor title...in fact if you're not into flight sims you probably would not have even heard of it!! If you went into any of the normal high-steet shops over here like Game and PCworld and asked them about the release date of AEP they would probably ask you what the hell you were talking about!! We British seem to be more interested in games like the Sims and GTA....Am I right??

XyZspineZyX
03-07-2004, 10:34 AM
Depends on how you define major title. A few weeks back a friend came over with Battlefield 1942. He wanted to show me how great it was. He loaded it up and we went online. I was shocked! Over 6,000 people online at once.

Is IL-2 a major title? Not by the numbers. But I think that as far as flight sims go, only M$ Flight Simulator is a bigger title although I think a lot of people got snookered into CFS3 and still might not know better.

In the US I would venture to say that MMORPG's are more popular. Lot's of people playing Everquest, Neverwinter Nights etc. Thousands play the Sims. Only about 1,000 people at any one time play IL-2 online at any given time on Hyperlobby, Ubi and through ASE and other game services. What no one knows for sure is how many offline only players there are. A few show up at this forum but there may be many, many more that we are unaware of. It's the same the world over.
It's just that in America everything is made out to be bigger than it really is in the hopes that it will become bigger than it really is.

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lucas_valentine
03-07-2004, 10:43 AM
I bought cfs3 not long after I bought Il2 FB, and I was majorly dissapointed. The plane models are nowhere near as good as FB and the whole feel of the game is rather...antique...whats more the game uses a ridiculous amount of memory and processor power. I can run IL2 on my machine at 1600x1200 with perfect scenery and its as smooth as silk....cfs3 however has to be run at 1024x768 with low graphic settings...and still its very lumpy.

crazyivan1970
03-07-2004, 11:02 AM
It`s as big as some arcade games... but in simulation world it`s pretty big IMO

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Udidtoo
03-07-2004, 11:11 AM
If it wasn't for the mag. PC Gamer and a simm reviewer named Andy Mahood I may have never heard of the original Il-2.
CFS still seems to get the most mainstream press here in the U.S. hmmmmm Anyone see a correlation between Bill Gates marketing clout and Oleg's?
Not to sound like a PC Gamers rep or anything but they did vote FB simm of the year. I like their reviews because by and large they don't seem to be in anyones pocket. No matter how much pre- relese hype, if its crap, they call it crap. In the case of FB, Mahood said something to the effect of " If you like flight simming, this is the one, period"
I agree.

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jensenpark
03-07-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
If it wasn't for the mag. PC Gamer and a simm reviewer named Andy Mahood I may have never heard of the original Il-2.
CFS still seems to get the most mainstream press here in the U.S. hmmmmm Anyone see a correlation between Bill Gates marketing clout and Oleg's?
Not to sound like a PC Gamers rep or anything but they did vote FB simm of the year. I like their reviews because by and large they don't seem to be in anyones pocket. No matter how much pre- relese hype, if its crap, they call it crap. In the case of FB, Mahood said something to the effect of " If you like flight simming, this is the one, period"
I agree.

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Yup, I'm with you there. If not for skimmin' through that mag at a Chapters I never would have been as hooked. Damn magazine!

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LeChuck59
03-07-2004, 11:18 AM
I doubt IL2 is any bigger here in the US than it is in Europe. Note, if you haven't already, that the ad for IL2 is not actually on their main page. It's on the PC Games page. Most gamers here in the US prefer consoles and games like GTA, Final Fantasy, and Madden 2004. Most would not know what IL2 is.

Heavy_Weather
03-07-2004, 12:24 PM
just another game, just like the rest.

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Chuck_Older
03-07-2004, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucas_valentine:
I've just been looking on the US site EB. On their main page is a large advert for AEP. This leads me to think that Il2 must be a major title over there. ...Am I right??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Sorry.

It's a big advert because it's new and they want you to buy it. No sense in making something and then not advertising. Il*2 may be well known in the flight sim community, but it is not a 'popular' title at all.

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sfbaytf
03-07-2004, 12:49 PM
Not really. Like the previous poster said most in the US prefer consoles and games that don't require much thinking or practice. We've become a instant gratification soceity. Most have little knowledge of history let alone ww2 or the Eastern front.

Bearcat99
03-07-2004, 01:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucas_valentine:
I bought cfs3 not long after I bought Il2 FB, and I was majorly dissapointed. The plane models are nowhere near as good as FB and the whole feel of the game is rather...antique...whats more the game uses a ridiculous amount of memory and processor power. I can run IL2 on my machine at 1600x1200 with perfect scenery and its as smooth as silk....cfs3 however has to be run at 1024x768 with low graphic settings...and still its very lumpy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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So you went for the Salisburry after the Prime rib huh? Im feeling you pain.. sorry to laugh at you..... Isnt i great though how CFS3 can give one a greater appreciation for FB?

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arcadeace
03-07-2004, 01:20 PM
I was surprised to see FB at CompUSA for $19.95, the same as CFS2. Maybe because its been out for quite a while, but definitely not as old as CFS2.

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DONB3397
03-07-2004, 01:50 PM
I haven't seen any numbers, but it's a niche market -- WWII/prop/sim. Some mass retailers don't carry it. Even specialty electronics shops don't feature it a month after a new release. I've never seen an end-cap or display featuring the product.

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willyvic
03-07-2004, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
just another game, just like the rest.

"The wise man is often the man who plays dumb."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Chuck_Older
03-07-2004, 02:28 PM
So FB sells as well as the Sims? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RobertNighthawk
03-07-2004, 03:06 PM
Yeah, Chuck, I think they are going to try to increse sales by combining the games in new releases, complete with laugh track, "Flying Sims of the Eastern Front" and "Grand Theft Aero" for aspiring plane-jackers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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03-07-2004, 03:07 PM
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KarayaEine
03-07-2004, 05:17 PM
My impression is that you have to be a dedicated flight simmer to know about IL-2. None of the major gaming mags I've seen have ever given even passing notice of it. I found out about IL-2 through an R/C mag about 2 years ago that IL-2 even existed and then cryptic messages on various message boards. I've seen ads in Air and Space magazine as well.

IMO this sim is over-shadowed by FPS games for the PC. Game mags tend to cater to the GameCube/X-Box/Sega/Nintendo crowd. The only way you ever find out about IL-2 is either you see it on the shelf (very, very rarely) or by word of mouth.

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Z4K
03-07-2004, 07:51 PM
Australia's not a part of the US (just yet) so not quite relevant to the question, but:

There's at least one display machine in Sydney with FB on it. Working at the shop I made sure that one machine was set aside for flight sims. It seems to work too - heaps of people give it a pretty good go.

Zeus-cat
03-07-2004, 09:08 PM
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Beebop said:

Depends on how you define major title. A few weeks back a friend came over with Battlefield 1942. He wanted to show me how great it was. He loaded it up and we went online. I was shocked! Over 6,000 people online at once.
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Keep in mind that Batttlefield 1942, Call of Duty, etc. are first person shooters. You can play them off-line, but after 20 or 30 minutes you will be bored. To be any fun at all you need to go on-line and play against humans.

By contrast, you can play FB off-line for hours and have a heck of a good time. It is not fair to compare the numbers of people playing the two games on-line and say that Battlefield 1942 is more popular since 6,000 people were playing it.

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Undertow22
03-07-2004, 10:57 PM
You have got to admit that IL2 has one great quality: Endless replayability. There are so many planes at such a high quality that you could play for years and still not really "know" all the planes.

On another note, IL2 has given me a greater appreciation for history and has literally made me want to go out to the library and learn more. How many people can say that about the Sims?

Skycat_2
03-07-2004, 11:52 PM
Is "IL-2/Forgotten Battles" a top-notch sim? Yes, no doubt about it. But from what I've seen, it's not particularly popular nor is it heavily advertised in the US. "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004" and "Combat Flight Simulator 3" get a more prominent shelf placement and have more copies on stock in just about every store I've ever looked.

A couple of years ago a chain 'books, video and music' store in my town put all of their WWII air combat sims together in a big display at the front of the store -- I can't remember the occasion but I think it was to capitalize on the release of 'Pearl Harbor' or perhaps CFS-3. Anyway, "IL-2" was the only game not put in the promotional display ... and I mean even the cheapo budget titles were included. I mentioned this to my neighbor who works as a manager in the store's software department, and I literally had to keep repeating the name "IL-2" because he had no idea what I was talking about and he kept hearing my words as "Aisle two." Later, when "Forgotten Battles" came out I offered to let him try it out; he turned the box over in his hands for a minute, then looked at me and asked if I had CFS-3 to lend him instead. Such is the way of things ...

That's the mainstream mentality though. Among enthusiasts of classic aviation, its a different story I think. My Dad is a subscriber to several aviation magazines including "Flight Journal" and "Aviation History," and I've often seen software reviews for air combat titles within their pages. The "IL-2 Sturmovik" series typically gets good reviews.

LeChuck59
03-08-2004, 12:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KarayaEine:
My impression is that you have to be a dedicated flight simmer to know about IL-2. None of the major gaming mags I've seen have ever given even passing notice of it. I found out about IL-2 through an R/C mag about 2 years ago that IL-2 even existed and then cryptic messages on various message boards. I've seen ads in Air and Space magazine as well.

IMO this sim is over-shadowed by FPS games for the PC. Game mags tend to cater to the GameCube/X-Box/Sega/Nintendo crowd. The only way you ever find out about IL-2 is either you see it on the shelf (very, very rarely) or by word of mouth.

Johann

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Since it was first announced, IL-2 has received a lot of attention from mainstream PC Gaming magazines, specifically Computer Gaming World and PC Gamer. Furthermore, I knew of IL-2 from reading the many online reviews. The reviews on sites such as IGNPC or Gamespot may not cater to the hardcore sim crowd, but my point is simply that while IL-2 is not hugely popular, it has, like CFS, bridged the gap between the mainstream and niche markets.

LuckyBoy1
03-08-2004, 06:08 AM
Hate to be the one to break the news to everyone... well, actually, I don't hate to so here goes! Flight simulation games... I mean any of them, are only a very small fraction of games sold. Most folks get all the "realism" they can handle before starting up a video game and want to be lost in some nonsensible game like the sims or quake. In addition to that, you actually like, have to pay at least minimal attention to physics when playing a flight simulation game. This could lead to thinking and other evil things, so most people are just not up to it. Compounding all these problems is the buggy nature of flight sim games that either never get addressed (like with Cousin Billy's Combat Flight Simulation 3.0) or take many hours of patching and tweaking to get them anywhere close to right. Then the icing on the cake would be the developers willingness to flat out lie about how powerful their lil 'puter needs to be in order to play the game well. In the ACE expansion pack, they say the minimums are...

Pentium III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
256 MB of RAM
32 MB video card

Especially for online play, this will only give you a blury slide show at best. Most people aren't going to think, "Oh, I'll run out and spend hundreds of dollars so I can get this $40.00 game to work". They just return it to the store they bought it from. This is why even at EB games, they only had a few copies of ACE for sale that sold out right away. Even when it is in stock, when you call to ask if they have it, they don't know what you are talking about. All their copies of LOMAC are already on the discount rack and I don't see stores stocking anything close to a full line of flight simulation games anymore.

Of course we as a community are as much to blame for this as any company. We whine for more eye candy and expect mainframe performance out of the game on our PC's.

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-08-2004, 06:58 AM
IL2 a major title? Not really, not amymore. IL2 is too old however IL2FB is somewhat of a major title. You can go pretty much anywhere across the net gaming community & ppl will have at least heard of it. You would be surprised how many forums there are where ppl talk about about it(show screenies too!). I have seen discussions regarding IL2FB on pretty much every gaming forum I visit. Granted IL2FB is no longer the superhot new title it once was & ppl do not talk about it as much as they used to but it does get mentioned every once in a while still. It usually gets mentioned when something comes out for it. You will see it mentioned on many WW2 FPS game boards. Many ppl that would never know of simming know of IL2FB.

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03-08-2004, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RobertNighthawk:
Yeah, Chuck, I think they are going to try to increse sales by combining the games in new releases, complete with laugh track, "Flying Sims of the Eastern Front" and "Grand Theft Aero" for aspiring plane-jackers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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AWL_Spinner
03-08-2004, 08:39 AM
I'd be interested to know how much of an exposure boost the Gold Edition of FB gets in America - you can see from the chosen cover art it's meant to inspire interest in the US market.

I hope it does widen the FB fanbase a bit over the pond, it's a tragedy the amount of people to whom WWII simming merely means the next release from Microsoft.

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CRSutton
03-08-2004, 10:50 AM
Flight sims have become too complicated to appeal to the mass market. It takes time and devotion to learn how to play this game. Not to mentions serious equipment. This was a noted trend in the late 90s. Flight sim hardcore pilots were demanding better sims with more detail and realistic charicteristics. The end result was that flight sims were losing out in mass market appeal and major game companies were no longer looking to produce new games. Microsoft is sort of an anomoly because they have the marketing resources to push a mediocre product and make money off of it. You are only going to see sims in the order of Secret Weapons developed by larger companies. There has to be easier learning curve and more arcadish style for the game to be purchased by enough people to earn a profit. And let's face it, the large companies are in it for the money.

This is the general trend in wargaming over the past decade. Fewer large computer gaming companies are putting efforts into wargames as they historically do not generate enough profits. The results for the companies was not good but it was even worse for gamers. Reason is, that poor selling games are the first ones to lose support from the big companies. Everybody here can recall nice looking games put out by the big boys that were full of bugs. You might get a patch but after a few months there would be no support and the only way to save a game was if the community itself did the work to improve it.

What saved us serious wargamers was the wonderful internet. The power of the net enabled the community to get the word out on new products. The result has been a resurgence in qualityon products. Small companies are able to produce quality games for a relatively small audience and make a profit by bypassing the retail sector. Perfect expamles are Battlefront.com which produces the brilliant Combat Mission series, Matrix games (Uncommon Valor and Korsun Pocket, and HPS simulations (John Tiller's products). All three produce beautiful high quality games with constant patching and upgrading. The forums are company monitored and user input and complaints are heard.

The future in simming and in any wargaming lies with the small developers. Don't look for quality products from larger companies and most of all don't look for much in the way of support. This is not a bad thing. If we are seeing a slight decrease in numbers of games and sims released, we are more than compensated by the high quality of the games released. I find that mass market products in my gaming inventory grow stale pretty fast. That is not the case with IL2 and follow ons. It, along with some of the other titles I have mentioned still is fresh for me after even two years.

BM357_Raven
03-08-2004, 11:04 AM
The correct answer is:

No, it's non-existent.

In terms of flight sims, CFS3 and FS2004 are still on the shelves whereas you would have been hard-pressed to find FB anywhere over the past several months.

Of course, in the US you have to put a P-51 on the cover with American markings for it to sell. If I were head of the marketing department I would cast every IL-2 Sturm game sold in the US with a P-51 with US markings on the front of the box. And not because I am a fan of the 51...

In the UK, I'd put the Spit shooting down a 109, in Germany the 109 destroying a bomber (perhaps), in Russia I'd put Yak on the box... Hey get it? Yak-in-the-box? (Bonus points: 0 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) and in Japan I'd make sure the Zeke was on the front taking down an American plane...

But then again, I'm not in the marketing department..

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lucas_valentine
03-08-2004, 11:42 AM
Wow! What a response...it was only a casual question really..not a debate question! IL2 FB is actually the first flight sim I have owned since I used to play a game called Ace of Aces on my C64 back in the 1980's (remeber that one?). I had played all sorts of different genres of computer games...and last year I thought 'hey, why don't I try a flight sim?' So I went to a shop to see what was avaliable and I found IL2 FB on the shelf. I wasn't dissappointed and I have been hooked since last June and have hardly played another game!!

rgoodrich1978
03-08-2004, 01:32 PM
I was told by someone at EB that PC games are being fazed out because they dont sell nearly as well as any of the consoles. People pirate PC games, not buy them. Not to mention purist flight sims are a dying genre of game altogether. Sad but true. I am just getting into them and I'm finding I still can't land half the time I try after 2 weeks of playing nothing but IL-2 and I consider myself a hardcore gamer.

Even with all the realism off I can't seem to keep the engine going on the bi-planes. Not exactly what you would call "approachable".

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LeChuck59
03-08-2004, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rgoodrich1978:
I was told by someone at EB that PC games are being fazed out because they dont sell nearly as well as any of the consoles. People pirate PC games, not buy them. Not to mention purist flight sims are a dying genre of game altogether. Sad but true. I am just getting into them and I'm finding I still can't land half the time I try after 2 weeks of playing nothing but IL-2 and I consider myself a hardcore gamer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though it's true that PC game sales constitute less of the bottom line than their console cousins, and that the ammount of floor space alotted to them has been and may continue to decreas, PC games aren't going anywhere. Titles lik HL2, Doom3, UT2k4 are headline grabbing blockbusters, but more importantly I think are titles like IL-2 and Combat Mission. The latter have no place on a console. So as long as there is a market for such genre titles, and I believe there always will be, there will be PCs.

bashii
03-08-2004, 01:53 PM
FB is also my first flight sim. I would have never heard of it if it wasn't for another board I frequent where someone happened to mention IL2:FB as a fun game so I checked it out. Not really sure I'm the Sim type now. Despite many kind and helpful folks, some of your more hardcore members are doing their damndest to keep the great unwashed gaming masses from crashing the FB party. In all honesty, I enjoyed the game much more before I found this bbs and learned just how *wrong* I was playing it.

Aaron_GT
03-08-2004, 02:02 PM
As a comparasion, in PC World (large UK
PC retailer) stocks FB and campaigns
too. But then it also stocks FS2004, CFS3,
CFS2 and a slew of add ons for those.

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03-08-2004, 08:09 PM
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03-09-2004, 02:19 PM
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I think that you have to have something in you about planes to like IL-2. I remember how when i was about 10 i would tell everyone i wanted to be a figther pilot. My dad picked on it and would buy me these East German gluable models, the best you could find behind the curtain those days and i built them and have them hanging on fishing line from my ceiling in complicated static displays of aerial combat. My kid brother liked it so much that he even painted clouds on the ceiling. Then i went away to get my titles and earn to wear a 3 piece suit to work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but something in me kept calling. I joined a RC club and modelled several planes including a 30" wingspan midget Mustang on an OS 0.1 cu in engine which i ended covering in orange cause i kept losing sight of it. Then my schedules got busier but i still kept longing. Then came Jane's F-15 and the 18 along with the Longbow series. Oh how much fun !
Arcade fun!

Then came IL-2. It crept into my life like a chronic illness. First just the occasional few weekend hours, then needed the best joystick, then the head tracker and new machine to handle the graphics. This and home roasted espresso coffee are my worst addictions currently. OK, the 7 month old lil daughter is getting me off the game more and more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just stated above, the amazing thing about IL-2 is that it just follows the laws of physics and the rest is the pilot's work. The ace with the Dora downs the rookie with the Zero and without a cheat too. Another thing that i just love about the game is the forum esp. the historical aspects. It is fascinating to know that there are so many people in the US who want to know so much about WW2, a war that changed two generations in Eastern Europe forever, with the following slogan chanting puppet regimes and their disrespect for labor and honest living that lead these countries into ruin. People's lives were just put in sardine boxes and anyone raising their head to get ahead other than on the Party line would get reprimanded. I have seen my parents, the generation born around the time these critters took over our countries, grow up in fear and teaching us the double standard of living two parallel lives, one is society and another at home where we would be listening to Radio Free Europe praying for the fall of Communism. Orwell's 1984 was forbidden literature http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I like the way we discuss these issues. It is amazing that it took 3 generations to be able to sit down and talk about things with a cool head. Another WW might fix that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kan

Gooner01
03-09-2004, 02:29 PM
Hi Lucas - I'm not sure if IL2 is a BIG title in the US or not, but I suspect not. I was at my local EB a week or so ago inquiring about AEP, and was told that it was en route to the store, but "they always ship via ground for these minor titles" so it wouldn't be in for a while. "Minor title", indeed!
P.S. - went to another store the next day, but when I asked at the desk, they looked puzzled and asked if it was for X-box...but I found it on the shelves anyway! AEP rocks! Hope the whole world gets it soon!
-Gooner

ucanfly
03-09-2004, 02:32 PM
Console games are taking over in the US. PC games are only a fraction of the market here anymore. IL2 is known to those "in the know" or people may have heard about it, but it is still a relatively obscure title.

Needs better marketing and maybe a new title.

This sim is amazing now but very few people seem to know about it. EBGAMES received a grand total of 1 AEP box by my house when I picked it up last week. Non existent at other popular chain stores like COMPUSA and BESTBUY last time I looked. CFS3 CFS2 FS2004 is everywhere and not cheap.

I don't have a console game but I was wondering if they advertise in console games at all. Maybe just a few clips of a few ACES planes in a related console game from UBI or in the DIscovery Wings channel may stir things up.

AaronGT
03-09-2004, 02:47 PM
Maybe the future of WW2 flight
sims in, say, 5 years will be in the
commoditisation and modularisation
of the underlying software. I.e.
open source.

You'd have open source graphics
engines and sound engines (on top
of OpenGL/SDL), terrain engines,
and physics modelling, online
gaming infrastructures, and
security systems to avoid hacking.

A developer of a game could
contribute to the underlying
software much as RedHat does
now. It would actually take some
of the risk out of this development

Where developers could then
make money is in the data, which
could be owned by them- e.g.
flight models, maps, 3D models.
It would even be possible for
the main activity of a developer
to be integration of community
assets ensuring that they all
work together and verifying
flight data and so on.

It actually creates multiple levels
of business opportunity due to
multiple possible levels for
contributions, and the same for
the community. Also it seems to
be a trend in other areas (
open office, email, servers, web
portals, OSes etc)

Since we want to play in a cheat
free environment with verified
models, verified to work together
(and this is a huge amount of
work!) I don't think it would put
Oleg out of a job.

For us simmers it might mean
rather than programming effort
being split over many competing
projects it will be concentrated.
And if it is a good system we
might get engineers and
researchers contributing too, and
get time on big iron to calculations
(or have WW2FMS@home)

TacImpuls
03-09-2004, 04:12 PM
They only send about 3 copies to my local Gamestop and EB Games store (Salem, OR) on each release of an IL2 game or expansion... It's really sad, because the game is just so very good.