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tigertalon
05-26-2004, 01:05 PM
Dear all!

At first let me appologise for my english, as it is not as good as it should be and I hope this will not be the reason for any kind of misunderstanding.

Don't get me wrong: I would also really like to fly Ju88, B25, G55, Ki61 etc etc. In my opinion flyables already icorporated in the sim deserve and need some tweaking, so fo the sake of credibility (which is strong, but I'm affraid it is gonna come down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) I propose to developement team that the work on a new flyables should be slowed down for a while, and in the mean time already existing flyables should be debugged. Few examples:

IRL 109F/G had 200 shells for engine mounted MG151, in game there is only 120... A matter of a few seconds to correct.

Bomb carrying gear under FW190A8 was used only when carrying bombs, but in the game it is always there...

Great majority of A8s had flat cockpit hood and not bulged one like in game (even early Doras had flat one...)

Communications are far from reality... (+Pilot's own voice should also be heard IMO)

Trains are way to easy to kill... A single 7.9mm bullet and train cart is off... (not the cisterns, however...)

AI fighters are really unable to hit you if you are flying straight, he is 100m behind you on your 6 same level same speed, and when he opens fire you just go into a 30-45 degree bank, turning slowly... He will discharge his entire ammo without a single hit... (wrong calculation of prediction point...) This one really spils offline play...

The ammount of 37 mm shells on Il2Type3M seems to be a few times to many... 150? (haven't checked latest patch however) Can you imagine a pile of so many 37mm cannon shells? It would be bigger than whole Il2 is...

I understand that for each flyable there is enormous amount of work to be done, but if you just slow them down a bit and correct obvious bugs like mentioned above (not those, but like those as there is probably thousands of them), the game would be even more close to reality as it is now... and it would gain on it's credibility.

Not only 3D enviroment, also whole game needs some improvements... In the view object menu for example I would like to see all the planes, not only initially released ones...
At every flyable I would like to see ammount of ammo as this seems very important fact abour a plane, so why not include this...
In QMB I think it would be much better if game would set the country of your aircraft to the original country for this aircraft (Spitfire-UK, Zero-Japan....) Now you have to change country manually all the time as game remembers last used country...

There are also a few hot topics which still do not have a final word... M2, .303, MK108... Especially wiht MK108 I think (!) it is still to weak... In book Combat legends: Fw190 author Peter Caygill there is claimed on a few different places as a quotion of different sources that it took 3-4 30mm shells to down 4-engine bomber (20 20mm hits instead... - you know how many are needed in game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif) and 1-2 to take out 2 engine aircraft... Many times I have to hit the stang few times before it goes down... Hey, It was a 30 milimeter cannon!

I feel a lot of respect for all that Oleg and devs have done, for there every minute dedicated to this game, to this community. But I think there is maybe a better way to spend future effort.

Thnx for reading.

regards, tt

tigertalon
05-26-2004, 01:05 PM
Dear all!

At first let me appologise for my english, as it is not as good as it should be and I hope this will not be the reason for any kind of misunderstanding.

Don't get me wrong: I would also really like to fly Ju88, B25, G55, Ki61 etc etc. In my opinion flyables already icorporated in the sim deserve and need some tweaking, so fo the sake of credibility (which is strong, but I'm affraid it is gonna come down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) I propose to developement team that the work on a new flyables should be slowed down for a while, and in the mean time already existing flyables should be debugged. Few examples:

IRL 109F/G had 200 shells for engine mounted MG151, in game there is only 120... A matter of a few seconds to correct.

Bomb carrying gear under FW190A8 was used only when carrying bombs, but in the game it is always there...

Great majority of A8s had flat cockpit hood and not bulged one like in game (even early Doras had flat one...)

Communications are far from reality... (+Pilot's own voice should also be heard IMO)

Trains are way to easy to kill... A single 7.9mm bullet and train cart is off... (not the cisterns, however...)

AI fighters are really unable to hit you if you are flying straight, he is 100m behind you on your 6 same level same speed, and when he opens fire you just go into a 30-45 degree bank, turning slowly... He will discharge his entire ammo without a single hit... (wrong calculation of prediction point...) This one really spils offline play...

The ammount of 37 mm shells on Il2Type3M seems to be a few times to many... 150? (haven't checked latest patch however) Can you imagine a pile of so many 37mm cannon shells? It would be bigger than whole Il2 is...

I understand that for each flyable there is enormous amount of work to be done, but if you just slow them down a bit and correct obvious bugs like mentioned above (not those, but like those as there is probably thousands of them), the game would be even more close to reality as it is now... and it would gain on it's credibility.

Not only 3D enviroment, also whole game needs some improvements... In the view object menu for example I would like to see all the planes, not only initially released ones...
At every flyable I would like to see ammount of ammo as this seems very important fact abour a plane, so why not include this...
In QMB I think it would be much better if game would set the country of your aircraft to the original country for this aircraft (Spitfire-UK, Zero-Japan....) Now you have to change country manually all the time as game remembers last used country...

There are also a few hot topics which still do not have a final word... M2, .303, MK108... Especially wiht MK108 I think (!) it is still to weak... In book Combat legends: Fw190 author Peter Caygill there is claimed on a few different places as a quotion of different sources that it took 3-4 30mm shells to down 4-engine bomber (20 20mm hits instead... - you know how many are needed in game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif) and 1-2 to take out 2 engine aircraft... Many times I have to hit the stang few times before it goes down... Hey, It was a 30 milimeter cannon!

I feel a lot of respect for all that Oleg and devs have done, for there every minute dedicated to this game, to this community. But I think there is maybe a better way to spend future effort.

Thnx for reading.

regards, tt

Ugly_Kid
05-26-2004, 01:35 PM
For me it would be more valuable to have existing aircraft with a larger variation of the load-out options. Bf-109 F with all kinds of stuff would be like a new add-on plane. Variants with GM-1 as well, stuff like that...no need to post beautiful screenshots, bombs and guns and it's as good as new http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
05-26-2004, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
For me it would be more valuable to have existing aircraft with a larger variation of the load-out options. Bf-109 F with all kinds of stuff would be like a new add-on plane. Variants with GM-1 as well, stuff like that...no need to post beautiful screenshots, bombs and guns and it's as good as new http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best thing about new flyable planes and additional variations of game scenarios... something that cannot be overlooked.

Bombers is a weak spot of this game and i am really looking forward to twin engine buffs coming our way.

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carguy_
05-26-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bomb carrying gear under FW190A8 was used only when carrying bombs, but in the game it is always there... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many ppl have been begging for it to be removed but it turned out Oleg modelled it as it was leaving the factories - with the bombrack.Mods without bombrack were not standard.Anyways,if Oleg says he won`t do something,he doesn`t do it.Trust me.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>AI fighters are really unable to hit you if you are flying straight, he is 100m behind you on your 6 same level same speed, and when he opens fire you just go into a 30-45 degree bank, turning slowly... He will discharge his entire ammo without a single hit... (wrong calculation of prediction point...) This one really spils offline play...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like your playing on level lower than "veteran"/"Major".Higher level creates a very good enemy.

http://carguy.w.interia.pl/tracki/sig23d.jpg

tigertalon
05-26-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
For me it would be more valuable to have existing aircraft with a larger variation of the load-out options. Bf-109 F with all kinds of stuff would be like a new add-on plane. Variants with GM-1 as well, stuff like that...no need to post beautiful screenshots, bombs and guns and it's as good as new http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree on that, or at least make them real... There never was a FW190A6U17...

What is the point of adding new flyables if such things are not fixed?

regards, tt

tigertalon
05-26-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bomb carrying gear under FW190A8 was used only when carrying bombs, but in the game it is always there... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many ppl have been begging for it to be removed but it turned out Oleg modelled it as it was leaving the factories - with the bombrack.Mods without bombrack were not standard.Anyways,if Oleg says he won`t do something,he doesn`t do it.Trust me.

Haven't seen such threads... I would not mention it here if I saw it before...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>AI fighters are really unable to hit you if you are flying straight, he is 100m behind you on your 6 same level same speed, and when he opens fire you just go into a 30-45 degree bank, turning slowly... He will discharge his entire ammo without a single hit... (wrong calculation of prediction point...) This one really spils offline play...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like your playing on level lower than "veteran"/"Major".Higher level creates a very good enemy.

I'm a major in this campaign (russian fighter, flying against F2s, F4s, G2s...) Those carry only nose guns, but when 190 arrives things might change...

http://carguy.w.interia.pl/tracki/sig23d.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

regards, tt

LEXX_Luthor
05-26-2004, 03:20 PM
Some great ideas tigertalon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif For example the new G.50 came with AEP carrying only half ammo load.

pdog threw a temper tampon, and G.50 had the extra ammo shipped with the Patch along with new Spit~9, I~185, 190A6, and many other new planes.

Again we all see the New Planes have no effect on Oleg making game changes or not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif



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JG7_Rall
05-26-2004, 05:12 PM
S!

TT, excellent suggestions. As far as your English goes, it is excellent. You are a very effective communicator and I know how hard that is in a second language. Not too many people post in such a gentleman-like way, and I commend you on that.

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JG53Frankyboy
05-26-2004, 06:53 PM
when you have counted the rounds of an engine mounted MG151 in a Bf109 latley?

i think you would be surprised http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

about Bombracks (ETC) at late 190s.
range was a mayor point in real Airwarfare , western and eastern front. so, very often, they carried "just" a droptank with their ETC http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i would like to see a short barrel for the wingmounted MK108 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tigertalon
05-27-2004, 01:21 AM
Thanks for info Franky, I am surprised... Not flying one'o'nine often...

Sorry to all, I havent checked last versions of the game... Indeed, it has 200 rounds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
when you have counted the rounds of an engine mounted MG151 in a Bf109 latley?

i think you would be surprised http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

about Bombracks (ETC) at late 190s.
range was a mayor point in real Airwarfare , western and eastern front. so, very often, they carried "just" a droptank with their ETC http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i would like to see a short barrel for the wingmounted MK108 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

regards, tt

[This message was edited by tigertalon on Thu May 27 2004 at 12:35 AM.]

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 01:26 AM
tigertalon:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sorry to all, I havent checked last versions of the game... Indeed, it has 200 rounds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Apology accepted. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now, would you like to change the thread title? Like asking for "fixes" like the G.50 ammo fix that came with New Planes?

Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

DarthBane_
05-27-2004, 02:56 PM
I have a fresh whine: COCKPIT ART
From the moment i saw i185 and gladiator, cannt stop thinking how nice it would be to rework cockpits of bf109 series in similar fashion, even posted a topic but it doesnt seem to draw attention. It comes out that people dont pay attention to cockpit art much. Tryed new spitfire and couldnt bare to look around (bad textures). Mustang is nice, ligtning also, p47 unexeptable. Best i saw yet is i185.