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Locust_
05-12-2004, 01:39 PM
Hey no one talks about it.....

only a handfull fly it that ive seen

its a ki84 killing machien http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

why arent more people flying this deadly bird...

the view kinda sucks for fullhard..but with lesser settings this thing absolutly roxs, it can hang with almost anything turns with yaks runs down k4 & ki84 has a wicked **** cannon if you learn to shoot it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

come on people get with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Locust_
05-12-2004, 01:39 PM
Hey no one talks about it.....

only a handfull fly it that ive seen

its a ki84 killing machien http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

why arent more people flying this deadly bird...

the view kinda sucks for fullhard..but with lesser settings this thing absolutly roxs, it can hang with almost anything turns with yaks runs down k4 & ki84 has a wicked **** cannon if you learn to shoot it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

come on people get with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
05-12-2004, 01:42 PM
I like it alot...but its a tricky plane to land and its even tricker to fly into combat. It stalls and spins fairly quickly...not that its a-historical there either. I expected it to...so thats why you don't see many flying it.

Even so, I like it quite a bit.

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Cajun76
05-12-2004, 02:33 PM
The P-47, P-40, and P-63 are my usual rides lately, in that order. I like flying the "mediocre" planes (P-47 and P-40) against the late war hotshots. The P-63 right now is my late war bird of choice. Useful groundpounding loadout, with the ability to dish out some pain with 60 rounds of 37mm ammo. After the patch (two weeks), it's supposed to get some HE shells in the loadout. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Good hunting,
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Osirisx9
05-12-2004, 02:43 PM
As far as I'm concerned , its the best fighter in the sim.Thats just my opinion so please dont be upset. It turns pretty decent, climbs like a bat out of hell on crack (only the 109K can out climb it), and that 37 mm cannon does allot of dammage. Its pretty tough and I will admit that it is a little too tough but its not a freak like the KI-84. Did I mention the K-i84???. This thing is the ultimate Ki-84 killer. I think the reason that there are not too many flying this bird is because of it's reputation of being difficult to fly and a piece of ****. Its hard to aim the cannon and its not as nimble as it's little p-39 cousin.But where this plane does shine is its speed. The speed is as advertized. I can hit 590 kph with ease. I'm at the point now to where i can fly this plane in my sleep. I rarely stall and spin and If I get on someones six, I feel pretty confident that I will be able to shoot them down. This is one bird that you can truly pick your fights and disengage at will if you become overwelmed, especially if you have at least 2000 meters under you. There are a few that say that it is a uber plane but thats to be expected when there is someone holding the stick that knows what they are doing. There is nothing Uber about the P-63. Its not easy to fly at all. Hell it a pain in the neck to land the thing. Once you master the weird FM and that cannon, the aircraft is a dream.

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F19_Ob
05-12-2004, 02:43 PM
Russia got quite many of them 2421 p63's,
4924 p39's and 2430 p40's.

VW-IceFire
05-12-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
The P-47, P-40, and P-63 are my usual rides lately, in that order. I like flying the "mediocre" planes (P-47 and P-40) against the late war hotshots. The P-63 right now is my late war bird of choice. Useful groundpounding loadout, with the ability to dish out some pain with 60 rounds of 37mm ammo. After the patch (two weeks), it's supposed to get some HE shells in the loadout. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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HE shells eh? Cool and nifty...I knew the M10 cannon was being added and that the fire rate was supposed to be slightly higher...I had no idea that it had HE shells as well.

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BpGemini
05-12-2004, 03:45 PM
The P-63's ok.



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p1ngu666
05-12-2004, 05:12 PM
my p63 tips
rip off the rear landing gear, easier to land then
cannon convergance at 100m
it cant live with highspeed turns, its like a 109, mid speed stuff u good
its fast at highspeed (low drag)
oh drop flaps and cos of woeful elivater u can crab along verticly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SlickStick
05-12-2004, 07:04 PM
Interstingly enough, I feel that the tricycle landing gear planes are the easiest to land. All you have to do is touch down at practically any speed and just lay on the brakes without having to worry about nosing over.

Try that in an LA7, KI, Yak, Spit, Hurri, etc and watch how fast you see Engine Inoperable in blue to the right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
05-12-2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJMantis:
Your funny sometimes Slickstick, the self confessed KI84 and LA7 ace lol. Tough planes to fly be sure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you know what is really funny Mantis ?

guys Claiming to be Champions & Bragging about their skills when they use the K4 with cockpit off

what a joke

Locust_
05-12-2004, 11:28 PM
lmao @ badsight & slickstick

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WUAF_Badsight
05-13-2004, 12:13 AM
oh & the P-63 is a monster

fly it like a FW-190 & your Lethal

Maple_Tiger
05-13-2004, 04:32 AM
I know what your saying Sting..er.


Thats why i rairly fly in any dog fight servers.

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AFJMantis
05-13-2004, 04:32 AM
WUAF you is wrong be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif I fly all kinds of planes and do pretty well in a few of them, the difference is i dont post around on any forums that i am an unbeatable ace of all aces that eats all other aces for breakfast with some ace syrup on the side, unlike some.

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05-13-2004, 04:41 AM
Oh yeah , Stinger u could always come fly with us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
05-13-2004, 06:23 AM
Hi,

The P63 isn't hard to fly, esp. if you are used to flying LW - first time out with this plane, I shot down two in the same flight and I'm no ace. In fact, it's pretty similar to LW planes especially with the mgs being better than the cannons(!).

It's when you are on the other side of the fence that the P63 annoys with the odd DM. Perhaps the DM isn't so bad as the Ki84 (although I haven't seen many of those online recently - heaven forbid that a Japanese plane could be any good so let's all ban it) but it certainly soaks up damage, although you can get it to smoke quite easily (like the 109).

The worst thing about it is the 'helicopter' style cockpit.....feels like you are a chopper pilot in Whirlybirds....i.e. nasty.

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CzechTexan
05-13-2004, 07:32 AM
I like the P-63 but haven't mastered the cannon yet.



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BpGemini
05-13-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Interstingly enough, I feel that the tricycle landing gear planes are the _easiest_ to land. All you have to do is touch down at practically any speed and just lay on the brakes without having to worry about nosing over.

Try that in an LA7, KI, Yak, Spit, Hurri, etc and watch how fast you see _Engine Inoperable_ in blue to the right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



For an ace you don't know much. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One gear type over another doesn't vary the difficulty of using them much they're just different. If you KNOW how to use each kind then neither is really more difficult over another. Your statement announces that you're not very capable of landing with the standard gear - "LA7, KI, Yak, Spit, Hurri, etc". The gear on the P-63 is a little touchier than the gear on the P-39. It takes a slightly different angle of approach. I figure that's what most people are alluding to when they talk about it being harder (than the P-39).

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SlickStick
05-13-2004, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Interstingly enough, I feel that the tricycle landing gear planes are the _easiest_ to land. All you have to do is touch down at practically any speed and just lay on the brakes without having to worry about nosing over.

Try that in an LA7, KI, Yak, Spit, Hurri, etc and watch how fast you see _Engine Inoperable_ in blue to the right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



For an ace you don't know much. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One gear type over another doesn't vary the difficulty of using them much they're just different. If you KNOW how to use each kind then neither is really more difficult over another. Your statement announces that you're not very capable of landing with the standard gear - "LA7, KI, Yak, Spit, Hurri, etc". The gear on the P-63 is a little touchier than the gear on the P-39. It takes a slightly different angle of approach. I figure that's what most people are alluding to when they talk about it being harder (than the P-39).

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Actually Gemini, if you read what I wrote, it's exactly true. A P39 or P63 can touch down and just hold the brake indefinitely, using rudder to stay straight on the runway, with no chance of nosing over. hence, the tricycle gear comment.

No tail-wheeled plane, other than huge bombers can do that. This is why I feel the P39 and P63 are ten times easier to land than tail-wheeled planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
05-13-2004, 10:43 AM
Who wants to go on vacation?

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SlickStick
05-13-2004, 10:44 AM
Your mileage may vary, but for a quick land and stop to avoid a vulch, give me tricycle gear in this game anyday.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
05-13-2004, 10:49 AM
Which part of vacation you people don`t understand. Next person with cheesy reply gets 3 days ban. Take your personal issues to PT.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

SlickStick
05-13-2004, 10:50 AM
Oops, was posting at same time. Order recieved Ivan.

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LilHorse
05-13-2004, 11:01 AM
Very well, Ivan. Mea culpa. Understood.

BpGemini
05-13-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Actually Gemini, if you read what I wrote, it's exactly true. A P39 or P63 can touch down and just hold the brake indefinitely, using rudder to stay straight on the runway, with no chance of nosing over. hence, the tricycle gear comment.

No tail-wheeled plane, other than huge bombers can do that. This is why I feel the P39 and P63 are ten times easier to land than tail-wheeled planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I know what you wrote SlickStick. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What I'm saying is each type of gear has it's own Pros and Cons. The tricycle gear has the ability of applying full brakes with out nosing over like you alluded to. I would rather have a standard gear on a grass runway where the tricycle gear can get very bouncy. You can land very fast with standard gear too. You just have to bleed all of your E just before you hit the runway. That's the main difference between standard gear and tricycle gear on stopping fast. With tricycle you wait until you land then apply full brakes. With standard you need to bleed it just before you land then it's just as easy as tricycle gear. That's what I'm talking about.

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Not to mention on standard gear the procedure used to bleed the E helps keep you evaded from vultures where the tricycle gear is a straight line drop in most cases which is much easier to line up on for the vulcher.

Each type once mastered/learned is just as easy. They are just different.

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crazyivan1970
05-13-2004, 11:26 AM
From my experiances - never argue with Gem about P-39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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p1ngu666
05-13-2004, 11:29 AM
i can land the p39 ok, but not the p63
so i just rip the gear off on aproach, find it easier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SlickStick
05-13-2004, 11:32 AM
Just because I posted that it's easier, doesn't mean I have to worry about landing either type. My point was, it's great to not have to worry about nosing over with tricycle gear.

Your post stating that "you must bleed your E...." is exactly my point. I don't have to any bleeding in P39. just get the wheels on the ground level and lay on the brake. That is my only point.

And yes, he may be good, but when you only fly against the same guys, every day omn the same servers over and over, you really don't get to experience talent at all levels in this game.

Not attacking, but Gemini has led a bit of a sheltered IL2/FB/AEP life.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
05-13-2004, 11:35 AM
And before anyone screams the old "Fly Full D stuff", I've visited BP servers on a few occasions and still have a few screenshots somewhere around here to prove it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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p1ngu666
05-13-2004, 11:40 AM
ivan
where is this free vacation? i fancy a holiday http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BpGemini
05-13-2004, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Just because I posted that it's easier, doesn't mean I have to worry about landing either type. My point was, it's great to _not have to worry_ about nosing over with tricycle gear.

Your post stating that "you must bleed your E...." is exactly my point. I don't have to any bleeding in P39. just get the wheels on the ground level and lay on the brake. That is my only point.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're bleeding E when you brake are you not? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
And yes, he may be good, but when you only fly against the same guys, every day omn the same servers over and over, you really don't get to experience talent at all levels in this game.

Not attacking, but Gemini has led a bit of a sheltered IL2/FB/AEP life.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think you're stereotyping a bit. I run an open server and fly against new and familiar people alike every week.

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SlickStick
05-13-2004, 12:14 PM
OK.

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BpGemini
05-13-2004, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
And before anyone screams the old "Fly Full D stuff", I've visited BP servers on a few occasions and still have a few screenshots somewhere around here to prove it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Don't bother. The BlitzPigs are a diverse group. We have members from all over the world. We don't all fly the same aircraft nor do we all fly the same difficulty settings.

I host Full Real + Internal Padlock + Friendly Icons only. If you have a screenshot of my server then by all means post away but I can assure you I don't host with anything less than the above.

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DIRTY-MAC
05-13-2004, 12:32 PM
I have just flown the P-63 about 4 times but have not been successful in it,yet...
but met some P-63 jocks, and been surprised over what that plane can do,
just last night I flew the La-7 and came up against a King cobra I was on my way home and had already used up all my ammo and thought
I would try to chase him (thinking the La-7 was way superiur in most respects)and making him to do a mistake and stall, but I had a hard time following him
he could turn just as good as i, if not better,
and suddenly I found he was gaining on me and I had to break off extend and climb,and then
go down on him again.
I was a bit faster, but thats all I noticed

(I have not tried these planes so much since EAP came out)

by the way can nybody post some performance test of it and how it handles compared to others,
like
is it really a better turner than La-s etcr

p1ngu666
05-13-2004, 09:09 PM
is the elivater worse than the 109s? or is it just me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
05-13-2004, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
From my experiances - never argue with Gem about P-39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Probably the best P-39 jock in the game - no butt kissing intended..

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VW-IceFire
05-13-2004, 09:50 PM
Elevator is superior to the Bf 109's but in general inferior to most other types at similar speeds.

Turn rate is indeed very good but I think the La-7 is still the king (in this range) for sustained turn ability. The P-63 will eventually stall/spin.

I fly the P-63 fairly regularly...I like it, its quirkly, but I like it. I find it no problem to follow most La-7 pilots through manuvers and come out on their six with the 37mm blazing away. It is a bit disturbing when another plane takes 4 or more hits to and keeps flying (a 109 did this to me today, I shot an aileron, the tailplane, and hit the main fuselage and he was still flying for several minutes) but that comes with the territory http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Copperhead310th
05-13-2004, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
From my experiances - never argue with Gem about P-39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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i' think i'll just argue with you on this one Ivan. i'd say Smoke Jag is much better in the 39.

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WUAF_Badsight
05-13-2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I fly the P-63 fairly regularly...I like it, its quirkly, but I like it. I find it no problem to follow most La-7 pilots through manuvers and come out on their six with the 37mm blazing away.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i SERIOUSLY doubt that ANY of those LA flyers knew what they were doing

DIRTY-MAC
05-14-2004, 02:42 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Elevator is superior to the Bf 109's but in general inferior to most other types at similar speeds.

Turn rate is indeed very good but I think the La-7 is still the king (in this range) for sustained turn ability. The P-63 will eventually stall/spin.

using combat flaps?

SlickStick
05-14-2004, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i _SERIOUSLY_ doubt that _ANY_ of those LA flyers knew what they were doing<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zing! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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p1ngu666
05-14-2004, 07:39 AM
ive got out turned by 109's :\
damn i need trim on a slider http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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BpGemini
05-14-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
most fanatic maybe ...... but far from the only P-39 flyer & no way the best

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BpGemini
05-14-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
i' think i'll just argue with you on this one Ivan. i'd say Smoke Jag is much better in the 39.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm probably not be the best but In my opinion I'm better than SmokeJaguar. He and I have tangled a lot as fellow Pigs and I've gotten the better of him most of the time.

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SlickStick
05-14-2004, 08:26 AM
Ooh, looks like Badsight and CopperHead got ol' Gemini's dander up today. Easy now Gemini. You don't want to be accused of sounding like me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I haven't seen SmokeJag for awhile, but I used to love flying against him back when he used to fly on UBI.

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BpGemini
05-14-2004, 08:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Ooh, looks like Badsight and CopperHead got ol' Gemini's dander up today. Easy now Gemini. You don't want to be accused of sounding like me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I haven't seen SmokeJag for awhile, but I used to love flying against him back when he used to fly on UBI.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I kid with Badsight as we fly together fairly often. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


As for Smoke, I think his life has been busy as of late and other games have creeped into his free time.

He always loved his screenshots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I'll try to bait him.

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05-14-2004, 12:27 PM
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hos8367
05-14-2004, 12:37 PM
The P63's DM is so bad I think its almost cheating using it. I am amazed at how many Mk108s those things will absorb and not look any worse for the wear...

BpGemini
05-14-2004, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hos8367:
The P63's DM is so bad I think its almost cheating using it. I am amazed at how many Mk108s those things will absorb and not look any worse for the wear...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


A lot of P-39/P-63 virtual pilots think the same about their 37mm hits. Sometimes 1 37mm can disintegrate a Zero while other times it takes several hits.

Btw, the times that I've flown for the other team I've found them to have the advantage. The P-63 and P-39s go down without too much trouble.

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hos8367
05-14-2004, 12:51 PM
I fly the 39/63 at times, and while I agree that the 37 doenst seem to do what it should sometimes, shooting down a 63 is much worse. I remember putting 5 108s on one (I knew because it was the first time I shot and I &lt;gunstat'ed it) and my buddy put at least 2-3 more on him, then someone else finished it (not sure how many). Thats a lot of 108s... The 39 doesnt take nearly that many.

clint-ruin
05-14-2004, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hos8367:
I fly the 39/63 at times, and while I agree that the 37 doenst seem to do what it should sometimes, shooting down a 63 is much worse. I remember putting 5 108s on one (I knew because it was the first time I shot and I &lt;gunstat'ed it) and my buddy put at least 2-3 more on him, then someone else finished it (not sure how many). Thats a lot of 108s... The 39 doesnt take nearly that many.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 63 has an issue that Oleg and the team are aware of where it occasionally just sits there and eats ammo. This is compounded by the general weirdness going on with online play and HE damage issues. Track here is a good example - took a while to bring this specific case out [this is something like the 75th odd go or so of it] but it does indeed exist:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/test-p63-oddity.zip

First three that go down are pretty normal but the last one just eats HEIT/MGs. Even seems to keep flying after the PK :&gt;

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hos8367
05-14-2004, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
The 63 has an issue that Oleg and the team are aware of where it occasionally just sits there and eats ammo. This is compounded by the general weirdness going on with online play and HE damage issues.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I know. Thats why I said its almost cheating using it. I bet theres a lot of P63 pilots out there that think they are badA$$es cause they never get shot down in the thing...

BpGemini
05-14-2004, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hos8367:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
The 63 has an issue that Oleg and the team are aware of where it occasionally just sits there and eats ammo. This is compounded by the general weirdness going on with online play and HE damage issues.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I know. Thats why I said its almost cheating using it. I bet theres a lot of P63 pilots out there that think they are badA$$es cause they never get shot down in the thing...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I wouldn't worry about that.

I don't think anyone is silly enough think they're a bada$$ if they continually get pelted with shells. (Regardless of whether they get shot down)

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p1ngu666
05-14-2004, 01:37 PM
some wing damage and its awful to fly tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
05-14-2004, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Ooh, looks like Badsight and CopperHead got ol' Gemini's dander up today.
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p1ngu666
05-14-2004, 02:11 PM
badsight i hoped u check that pm/pt!

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SlickStick
05-14-2004, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Ooh, looks like Badsight and CopperHead got ol' Gemini's dander up today.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SlickStick ...... Gemini is one of the nicest hosts at HL

he dont even mind when you UFO on him<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm going to need a tongue-in-cheek smiley. I was making a light joke, no more, no less. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

That's great, he doesn't mind UFOs on his server. As for me, that's the only thing that's not allowed on my servers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BpGemini
05-14-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Ooh, looks like Badsight and CopperHead got ol' Gemini's dander up today.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SlickStick ...... Gemini is one of the nicest hosts at HL

he dont even mind when you UFO on him<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 02:37 PM
Im rather good in a P-39 and P-63. The P-63 is not as nimble as the P-39, but the P-63 is a LOT faster and can run down almost any aircraft. My main problem with the P-39 is once someone realizes they are loosing the fight, they firewall it and run. Or they simply dont enguage unless they have the extreme advantage. The P-63's speed is great.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

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VW-IceFire
05-14-2004, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I fly the P-63 fairly regularly...I like it, its quirkly, but I like it. I find it no problem to follow most La-7 pilots through manuvers and come out on their six with the 37mm blazing away.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i _SERIOUSLY_ doubt that _ANY_ of those LA flyers knew what they were doing<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Or I knew what I was doing much better than what they were doing. I learned a long time ago to not follow anyone strictly through their own manuvers. You plan ahead and end up where they will be around the right time.

Its an extension of BNZ tactics or just good energy management. The P-63 has the performance level, just like the FW190, the Bf 109, and others to do this.
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WUAF_Badsight
05-15-2004, 01:23 AM
rgr that

too true

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05-15-2004, 07:11 AM
u might wanna check pt again badsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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