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JG7_Rall
03-14-2004, 10:43 AM
Dear Oleg,

First off, I'd like to thank you for AEP. Great game despite a few shortcomings.

But now, I have a request for you. Since the 20mm cannon and all German machine guns seem to do little damage (very little), there is little hope for LW pilots flying besides lucky hits. I've poured the majority of my ammunition while flying the 109G2 or Dora or any other LW plane without the Mk 108 and have had little effect. Of course, its possible to shoot down planes with these guns, but they definatly are undermodelled. *waits for clints default "show tracks" message*

BUT, despite this, there is a solution!! This is where the pistol comes into play. I propose that you allow us the bind a key to slide the canopy back or to open a window in the LW planes, pull out our sidearms, form up on our enemy, and shoot him with our pistols!!! Now THAT would be fun! Extra points too if you get a PK! So, whos with me? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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JG7_Rall
03-14-2004, 10:43 AM
Dear Oleg,

First off, I'd like to thank you for AEP. Great game despite a few shortcomings.

But now, I have a request for you. Since the 20mm cannon and all German machine guns seem to do little damage (very little), there is little hope for LW pilots flying besides lucky hits. I've poured the majority of my ammunition while flying the 109G2 or Dora or any other LW plane without the Mk 108 and have had little effect. Of course, its possible to shoot down planes with these guns, but they definatly are undermodelled. *waits for clints default "show tracks" message*

BUT, despite this, there is a solution!! This is where the pistol comes into play. I propose that you allow us the bind a key to slide the canopy back or to open a window in the LW planes, pull out our sidearms, form up on our enemy, and shoot him with our pistols!!! Now THAT would be fun! Extra points too if you get a PK! So, whos with me? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S!

Hutch

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p1ngu666
03-14-2004, 11:12 AM
lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Luftcaca
03-14-2004, 11:34 AM
lol

you know what Ive been gettting better results with the 20mm lately but I might have only been lucky.

and if the 20mm does lil damage, I reckon the pilots should be able to block 9mm shots with their foreheads! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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JG7_Rall
03-14-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
lol

you know what Ive been gettting better results with the 20mm lately but I might have only been lucky.

and if the 20mm does lil damage, I reckon the pilots should be able to block 9mm shots with their foreheads! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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There's an old legend that on the Eastern front, LW pilots where known to steal Russian pistols...I'm sure that THOSE pistols would do great amounts of damage!

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WWMaxGunz
03-14-2004, 01:12 PM
Instead of make tracks, why not watch the tracks that came with AEP?

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03-14-2004, 04:36 PM
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Gunner_361st
03-14-2004, 05:59 PM
Hehehe. Good one Rall. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Though, to be fair, if they modeled in pistols for the germans, they have to model in pistols for everyone!

The Americans would get the Colt 1911 .45 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The British would get the Webley .38 :P

The Germans would get the P38 or maybe the Luger! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Japanese would get the Nambu 14th Year 8mm Pistol. :P

The Russians... received a lot of British and American pistols through Lend Lease... As for pure pistols produced by that country, I can't seem to remember any produced in the WW2 era. Help gents? LOL

Shame is, after all these pistols were modeled in, no doubt people would be whining about their damage before you know it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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LuftKuhMist
03-14-2004, 06:01 PM
Tokarev TT33 if I remember well.

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Lt.Davis
03-14-2004, 06:28 PM
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Rab03
03-15-2004, 03:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunner_361st:
The Russians... received a lot of British and American pistols through Lend Lease... As for pure pistols produced by that country, I can't seem to remember any produced in the WW2 era. Help gents? LOL
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Tokarev aka TT aka TT 33, caliber 7,62mm. Considerably simplified Browning's Colt 1911 design. Can function even after severe misuse, dirt/heat/frost exposure. Genuine war pistol. Produced in many countries in original/modified form/caliber: Czhechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, China,.. Chinese still make them.Besides this one, Russians, like the Germans, had a plethora of offical/unofficial sidearms during war years.


As for other weapons, Shpagin submachinegun was highly praized, life saving, prey for the Germans (especially at Stalingrad). Situation similar to the one American soldiers found themselves in Vietnam. It was relatively usual that some American soldiers "lost" their M-16 (which was at that stage totally unsuited to jungle warfare and utterly unreliable) to trade it for hard-hitting and absolutely reliable Kalashnyikov AK-47.

Disclaimer: This post doesn't take into account pistol bullet stopping power.

FRAGAL
03-23-2004, 12:34 PM
Or theres the nagan, russian version of the magnum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A130
03-23-2004, 07:52 PM
M1895 Nagant revolver: very clever design. The cylinder advances when the hammer is cocked. Coupled with the unique cartridge (the bullet is seated below flush in the cartridge case), the traditional cylinder-barrel clearance gap is effectively eliminated, thus reducing this potential loss of muzzle velocity. As a bonus (and regardless of what may be said today, I don't think the Russians had made this a feature by design), because the cylinder gap was sealed and the bullet was subsonic, the Nagant revolver was one of the very few in the world that could be effectively suppressed. I don't know if this has ever been attempted, but theoretically one of these puppies could be very quiet.

Why no one else took this approach: it added 20m/s or so to the muzzle velocity. In short, it really wasn't necessary, nor was the added complexity helpful. The unique operated system resulted in a downright atrocious trigger pull. The .30 Nagant cartridge is also pretty anemic by today's standards. Another item to consider is whether or not this even pistol was used in a meaningful fashion during World War II/ Great Patriotic War.

Tokarev TT-33: known to have done hard time during WWII/GPW as the standard service pistol of the Russians. Durable, reliable, and largely ripped off from Browning (an excellent choice), by most accounts it was an outstanding combat pistol. The cartridge -- the 7.62 (or 7.63)x25mm Tokarev, is dimensionally very similar to the .30 Mauser cartridge (which it was probably copied from) but is loaded somewhat hotter. I personally own a few pistols in this caliber and consider it an excellent chambering. It features a blistering muzzle velocity, flat trajectory, and hits pretty hard. I can only imagine how effective submachineguns using this round were. (Actually, I can read about it, and everyone tends to agree that they worked very well.) It's no .45 ACP...but then again, I've never been able to shoot a .45 ACP accurately at 100m; I can make such shots with a Tokarev.

On a side note, the 7.62x25mm is probably known best for its armor penetrating abilities. Even using standard gilding metal jacketed lead bullets, it's very efficient at punching holes through soft body armor. With armor piercing ammunition it's even more effective. It would probably be better for the task of shooting through an aircraft's skin than a Luger or a Colt.

In other words...if pistols were introduced, the Russian one would be uber. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
03-23-2004, 09:13 PM
Rall is a player...aint he http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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609IAP_Recon
03-23-2004, 09:52 PM
wait, something is amiss here:

Russians: AK47
US: MP15
Germans: popgun

There we go - I think that sums it up rightly so. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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