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sovaart
12-02-2014, 11:41 PM
Somebody plz enlighten me what major historical events took place in Victorian era? What historical characters are we going to encounter? They could have done periods such as:
Rome - Julius Caesar rise and fall.
Egypt - pharaohs + maybe alien connection or moses connection?
Japan - ninjas
Napoleon - Rise and fall of napoleon (imagine escaping Elba island).
Russian revolution - You spending your youth playing video games and imagining your self as an adventurers etc. Well Stalins youth was like a movie/video game. So many events happened in that revolution. So many historical characters.

What happened in Victorian age?

Ubisoft had a perfect opportunity to go from Unity to Egypt and from Egypt to Napoleon. Then after Napoleons death they could have jumped directly to Victorian age -> prologue being 2nd french revolution (Still cant believe Unity dint have Lafayette - Fought in USA revolution and was like a son to George Washington, lead national guard in 1st and 2nd french revolution). And after Victorian age they could have jumped directly to Russian revolution. The years fit perfectly.

What Ubisoft need to do is watch TV show called Rome. That`s how historical stories are done.

Rafe Harwood
12-02-2014, 11:46 PM
Japan - ninjas

You have to love the attention to detail ;)

sovaart
12-02-2014, 11:51 PM
lol yes sir. I dont know anything about Japan history lol. I studied French and Russian revolution. Only thing I know about Japan is that in hidden village of leaf a ninja was born that was destined to change the world lol.

LoyalACFan
12-02-2014, 11:52 PM
Because AC is at its absolute worst when it treats its story as a checklist of historical characters and battles in a well-documented war that everyone already knows about. That's why AC3 was so unfocused, they just shoved everything American Revolution-related into it without regard for how relevant it was. Look back at AC2 and AC4; neither of them were set in wars or revolutions, every historical character they used served a distinct purpose in the story, and both are widely considered the best in the series. AC doesn't NEED a major conflict to work; in fact, I'd argue that shady, backroom conspiracies are far more interesting than open conflict. And there's a whole hell of a lot of conspiracy material for them to use with Imperial Britain.

And, on a completely shallow note, I can't wait to dress up as a classy, top-hatted gentlemen and go stab someone during teatime, like a sir :p

RzaRecta357
12-02-2014, 11:53 PM
Our Assassin's don't always need to be some big history changer. Behind the scenes stuff can be cool too. Character stories and all that jazz.

D.I.D.
12-02-2014, 11:54 PM
The legend of Spring Heeled Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-heeled_Jack), part Penny Dreadful entertainment, part sincerely believed urban legend

Street gangs such as the Swell Mob and Charles Clarke's Hooligans

Adam Worth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Worth), the likely model for Sherlock Holmes's Moriarty

Dr. Cream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Neill_Cream)

Amelia Dyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer)

The Whitehall Mystery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Mystery)

Charles Bravo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bravo)

Wyld's Great Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyld%27s_Great_Globe)

The Crystal Palace Great Exhibition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Exhibition)


An expanding city that grows and transforms at an astonishing rate, the underground train system, the sewers, the factories, the asylums, the workhouses... There's a ton of food for an AC game, at least as much as anywhere else we've seen.

sovaart
12-02-2014, 11:58 PM
Because AC is at its absolute worst when it treats its story as a checklist of historical characters and battles in a well-documented war that everyone already knows about. That's why AC3 was so unfocused, they just shoved everything American Revolution-related into it without regard for how relevant it was. Look back at AC2 and AC4; neither of them were set in wars or revolutions, every historical character they used served a distinct purpose in the story, and both are widely considered the best in the series. AC doesn't NEED a major conflict to work; in fact, I'd argue that shady, backroom conspiracies are far more interesting than open conflict. And there's a whole hell of a lot of conspiracy material for them to use with Imperial Britain.

And, on a completely shallow note, I can't wait to dress up as a classy, top-hatted gentlemen and go stab someone during teatime, like a sir :p

You are right. The Unity was the same as AC3 when it comes to historical events. They just sort of shoved everything they could think of and said f it thats good enough.

Rafe Harwood
12-03-2014, 12:04 AM
Just do a quick google search.

Wikipedia has an entry on the era and the list of people will make you realise what fertile ground it is :)

ze_topazio
12-03-2014, 12:07 AM
Would you prefer Liverpool?

D.I.D.
12-03-2014, 12:11 AM
Would you prefer Liverpool?

I'm hoping that we get Edinburgh as well. It's a really important place as far as scientific advancement goes, and there was great architecture too.

Rafe Harwood
12-03-2014, 12:13 AM
Would you prefer Liverpool?

Going by what's being said around here lately, can you imagine the grief if Liverpudlian accents were in the game? :D

LoyalACFan
12-03-2014, 12:25 AM
I'm hoping that we get Edinburgh as well. It's a really important place as far as scientific advancement goes, and there was great architecture too.

Edinburgh would be cool. I'm betting this will be a one-city affair though. If they're sticking with 1:1 scale, then London is going to be frickin massive.

pacmanate
12-03-2014, 12:26 AM
Would you prefer Liverpool?

Please ... no, the accents... i can't

Xstantin
12-03-2014, 12:33 AM
Our Assassin's don't always need to be some big history changer. Behind the scenes stuff can be cool too. Character stories and all that jazz.

I think that's what Unity was going for. Personally I like that approach - but who knows people complain about ForrestGumping ACIII, but don't have enough of "big events" in Unity :confused: guess it's hard to please everyone

D.I.D.
12-03-2014, 12:35 AM
They've got to do this. I've been praying for this for years... I'm just not sure if they'll be able to extend this game all the way to the close of the Victorian era. Perhaps if they think it's popular enough to make two games, Victory might be a two-parter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu


Between 1899 and 1902, Barton-Wright set about publicizing his art through magazine articles, interviews and a series of demonstrations or "assaults at arms" at various London venues. He established a school called the Bartitsu Academy of Arms and Physical Culture, known informally as the Bartitsu Club, which was located at 67b Shaftesbury Avenue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaftesbury_Avenue) in Soho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho). In an article for Sandow's Magazine of Physical Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Sandow) vol. 6, (January 1901), journalist Mary Nugent described the Bartitsu Club as "... a huge subterranean hall, all glittering, white-tiled walls, and electric light, with 'champions' prowling around it like tigers."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu#cite_note-Nugent.2C_Sandow.27s.2C_1901-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu#cite_note-Wolf.2C_2006-6)

Kaschra
12-03-2014, 12:56 AM
Because AC is at its absolute worst when it treats its story as a checklist of historical characters and battles in a well-documented war that everyone already knows about. That's why AC3 was so unfocused, they just shoved everything American Revolution-related into it without regard for how relevant it was. Look back at AC2 and AC4; neither of them were set in wars or revolutions, every historical character they used served a distinct purpose in the story, and both are widely considered the best in the series. AC doesn't NEED a major conflict to work; in fact, I'd argue that shady, backroom conspiracies are far more interesting than open conflict. And there's a whole hell of a lot of conspiracy material for them to use with Imperial Britain.

And, on a completely shallow note, I can't wait to dress up as a classy, top-hatted gentlemen and go stab someone during teatime, like a sir :p

This. Well said.

Also agreed with the last sentence :nonchalance:

Assassin_M
12-03-2014, 01:02 AM
AC2

What purpose did Machiavelli serve? Bartolomeo? Poliziano? The Venice escort guy? Agustino Barbarigo? Caterina Sforza? Don't bring up DLC. We're talking base game here.

pacmanate
12-03-2014, 01:08 AM
Great, you guys set off M again haha

Assassin_M
12-03-2014, 01:10 AM
Great, you guys set off M again haha
I shall be a thorn until I go hibernate again.

LoyalACFan
12-03-2014, 01:41 AM
What purpose did Machiavelli serve? Bartolomeo? Poliziano? The Venice escort guy? Agustino Barbarigo? Caterina Sforza? Don't bring up DLC. We're talking base game here.

I kind of HAVE to bring up DLC here, because it was originally supposed to be in the game. That's why Caterina and Machiavelli were in there, to set them up for their role in sequences 12 and 13 (which actually were decently important). Not excusing the fact that the content was cut, just saying that there actually was a plan for those characters. As for the others...

Bartolomeo- fill out the faction allies so there are two of each (mercenaries, thieves, courtesans). Each faction represents one of the gameplay pillars (combat, parkour, stealth, respectively) and the missions you do for each ally focuses on their pillar (fighting battles with Mario and Bartolomeo, rooftop running with Volpe and Antonio, sneaking through crowds with Paola and Teodora). The Venice chapter needed a battle sequence and a counterpart to Mario from the Tuscany chapter to justify them, so Bartolomeo filled the role. AC2's combat sucked, but that's why he was in there; to show off a situation where a mercenary's direct combat approach would be effective in Venice, after having been shown the thief's parkour and the courtesan's stealth. Ezio is supposed to embody all of those skills put together.

Poliziano- really? He was just a random guard with a database footnote. He was there as Lorenzo's proxy while Lorenzo was hurt. He wasn't shoehorned.

Escort guy- to show you Venice from an insider's perspective, blind to his own city's corruption, demonstrating that the city was going to need help from an outsider. I'm also not entirely sure he was really a historical character.

Agostino- to show you that the new doge wasn't a Templar puppet and that you wouldn't need to kill him.

Now, what purpose did Benjamin Franklin, Lafayette, Comte de Grasse, Mason Weems, Benjamin Tallmadge, Paul Revere, Israel Putnam, Samuel Prescott, William Molineux, John Parker, or William Barrett serve? :rolleyes:

Journey93
12-03-2014, 01:56 AM
whats so bad about Victorian London?
I'm actually glad that we don't have yet another game set during a boring revolution
that topic was dealt with enough we need more interesting stuff

PTE Reilly
12-03-2014, 05:01 AM
Edinburgh would be cool. I'm betting this will be a one-city affair though. If they're sticking with 1:1 scale, then London is going to be frickin massive.


lol you seen this? :P

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/090/0/b/william_wallace_by_roflsoldier-d4ujga2.jpg

Rafe Harwood
12-03-2014, 05:29 AM
lol you seen this? :P

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/090/0/b/william_wallace_by_roflsoldier-d4ujga2.jpg

It could be worse... Mel Gibson with a hidden blade?

PTE Reilly
12-03-2014, 05:32 AM
awww please dont mention that crap actor and crap film, Being Scottish that crap offends me lol! you know the majority of that film is NOT how it actually went down

Rafe Harwood
12-03-2014, 05:38 AM
awww please dont mention that crap actor and crap film, Being Scottish that crap offends me lol! you know the majority of that film is NOT how it actually went down

As I said, it could be worse :D

VestigialLlama4
12-03-2014, 06:05 AM
As I said, it could be worse :D

Well UNITY gives the French Revolution the Braveheart treatment you know...

tonydamiani
12-03-2014, 08:29 AM
I hope the assassin is Arno Dorian. Arno for me has a future for new adventures just like Ezio did. I don't want to keep seeing new Assassin's every year. I want to know what happen to Arno. Hopefully its Arno in a mission send of by Napoleon and the Assassin's.

The8bitAsian
12-03-2014, 08:49 AM
If I remember correctly, one of the database entries from the hacked computers on ACIV talked about why Abstergo always chooses time periods with conflict and wars. That's why I think the last few games (ACIV, Unity, AC3) focused more on the real life conflict. Whereas, the first ACs with Ezio and Altair were about conspiracy and finding Pieces of Eden with a minor conflict backdrop. Personally I like both ways of storytelling, as long as they focus more on Assassins and Templars.

crusader_prophet
12-03-2014, 09:13 AM
Somebody plz enlighten me what major historical events took place in Victorian era? What historical characters are we going to encounter? They could have done periods such as:
Rome - Julius Caesar rise and fall.
Egypt - pharaohs + maybe alien connection or moses connection?
Japan - ninjas
Napoleon - Rise and fall of napoleon (imagine escaping Elba island).
Russian revolution - You spending your youth playing video games and imagining your self as an adventurers etc. Well Stalins youth was like a movie/video game. So many events happened in that revolution. So many historical characters.

What happened in Victorian age?

Ubisoft had a perfect opportunity to go from Unity to Egypt and from Egypt to Napoleon. Then after Napoleons death they could have jumped directly to Victorian age -> prologue being 2nd french revolution (Still cant believe Unity dint have Lafayette - Fought in USA revolution and was like a son to George Washington, lead national guard in 1st and 2nd french revolution). And after Victorian age they could have jumped directly to Russian revolution. The years fit perfectly.

What Ubisoft need to do is watch TV show called Rome. That`s how historical stories are done.

Have you heard of something called Industrial Revolution?

LoyalACFan
12-03-2014, 09:21 AM
lol you seen this? :P

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/090/0/b/william_wallace_by_roflsoldier-d4ujga2.jpg

You know, without the FIVE separate Assassin symbols plastered all over him, that wouldn't look half bad.

Edit- six, actually.

LoyalACFan
12-03-2014, 09:29 AM
I hope the assassin is Arno Dorian. Arno for me has a future for new adventures just like Ezio did. I don't want to keep seeing new Assassin's every year. I want to know what happen to Arno. Hopefully its Arno in a mission send of by Napoleon and the Assassin's.

Victorian era didn't begin until 1837 and the clock tower in the screens wasn't finished until 1859, so unless we're skipping 42 years, Napoleon can send missions from the grave, and Arno is the world's most nimble 90-year-old... then no Arno for you.

Which I'm actually OK with. Arno was cool, but they dun goofed up his story. Unity's narrative was frickin laughable. Hopefully Victory will carry over Unity's gameplay strengths, but use a completely different writer (please be Darby please be Darby please be Darby) and start with a clean slate instead of salvaging Unity's nothingness of a story.

tonydamiani
12-03-2014, 09:32 AM
Victorian era didn't begin until 1837 and the clock tower in the screens wasn't finished until 1859, so unless we're skipping 42 years, Napoleon can send missions from the grave, and Arno is the world's most nimble 90-year-old... then no Arno for you.

Which I'm actually OK with. Arno was cool, but they dun goofed up his story. Unity's narrative was frickin laughable. Hopefully Victory will carry over Unity's gameplay strengths, but use a completely different writer (please be Darby please be Darby please be Darby) and start with a clean slate instead of salvaging Unity's nothingness of a story.

Ugh True. Thanks for the info. Forgot about the timeline,,. like always >.<