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nDeMatt
11-30-2014, 07:42 PM
I'll keep this short:

I just bought AC: Unity and it runs like garbage on all low settings. This is my PC:

Core i3
8 gb RAM
Geforce GTX 500ti 1gb.

I'm just wondering which I should upgrade first, my CPU or GPU, to make the game run smoothly? I'm on a tight budget so only want to do one at the moment.

GIuteus_Maximus
11-30-2014, 07:51 PM
you'd have to spend a fortune to make this game run ACCEPTABLE.

it isn't worth it

nDeMatt
11-30-2014, 07:58 PM
I'm okay with it being on low settings, I just want it to run smoothly (30fps-ish)

SHIELD-R7B
11-30-2014, 08:00 PM
I use i3 3240 and i go well in low, but u need GTX 670 or 760 to go better...

nDeMatt
11-30-2014, 08:02 PM
I use i3 3240 and i go well in low, but u need GTX 670 or 760 to go better...

What kind of Video Card are you using?

SHIELD-R7B
11-30-2014, 08:04 PM
MSI GTX 760 (with a little OC)

nDeMatt
11-30-2014, 08:10 PM
MSI GTX 760 (with a little OC)

I was hoping to not have to spend that much on a new card.

If it makes a difference, my i3 is a 2100 so it's pretty old.

del170919084429
11-30-2014, 08:11 PM
I'll keep this short:

I just bought AC: Unity and it runs like garbage on all low settings. This is my PC:

Core i3
8 gb RAM
Geforce GTX 500ti 1gb.

I'm just wondering which I should upgrade first, my CPU or GPU, to make the game run smoothly? I'm on a tight budget so only want to do one at the moment.

There are a couple of things, first how much are you wiling to spend on upgrades, that way I can give you the best possible example of what to do for your system. Also as ubisoft upgrades the game it will begin to run a little better, and Nvidia will update drivers that will also give you a performance boost. Please list your computer specs, motherboard, type of ram, processor speed? If you are using a laptop forget it, you would have to rebuild a whole system from the ground up.

del170919084429
11-30-2014, 08:15 PM
Just as an example I am running a core i7 4960x oced at 4.7ghz with 16gb ram at 2180 9-11-10-30-1---I am also running 3 titan blacks in 3way sli. when I disable 3 way sli I cannot run the game on max settings with 60 fps I always use v-sync. So if you have one 760ti you should get ok performance from low settings, but with a core i3 you probably only have 32 lanes on your pci express bus instead of 40, not that it matters much with one graphics card, but I bet your bottlenecking your cpu. you may be able to make some adjustments in windows and change some settings in the motherboard bios to loosen up that bottleneck.

nDeMatt
11-30-2014, 08:19 PM
There are a couple of things, first how much are you wiling to spend on upgrades, that way I can give you the best possible example of what to do for your system. Also as ubisoft upgrades the game it will begin to run a little better, and Nvidia will update drivers that will also give you a performance boost. Please list your computer specs, motherboard, type of ram, processor speed? If you are using a laptop forget it, you would have to rebuild a whole system from the ground up.

Motherboard: Gigabyte LGA 1155 Intel B75
CPU: Core i3 2100 Dual Core 3.1GHZ
Ram: 8GB Crucial Ballistix
GPU: GeForce GTX 550ti 1gb

I run most newer games (BF4, Wolfenstein: New Order) at mostly high settings, 720p (native res) at 40-60 fps.

I'm okay with Unity running at low, as I'm on a budget and don't want to spend a fortune, I just want to run at 30 fps or better.

strigoi1958
11-30-2014, 09:08 PM
I would guess your gpu first... if you check out ebay there are some great cards pre-owned but the 660 ti, 670 and 760 all seem to be about the same price (around 100 +) when they get sold. I gave my old 670 away to another forum member and that was a brilliant card so I can recommend one of them but I guess the 760 is very similar and it is a 700 series.

Lignjoslav
12-01-2014, 01:10 AM
With some tweaking, people are running Unity well on GTX 750 Ti.

Fatal-Feit
12-01-2014, 07:49 AM
Your CPU and ram are good.

With a 750 Ti, you should get an average of 30+ fps with the following settings:

900p or 1080p (900p if env set on very high)
Environment - Very High or High
Textures - High
Shadows - Low
SSAO or HBAO+ (fps shouldn't dip any lower than 28-29ish with SSAO)
FXAA

Console settings, honestly.

del170919084429
12-01-2014, 08:04 AM
before you run the game go into resource monitor, then run the game for 10 minutes. then check the resource monitor, if you cpu cores are at 100% you have a bottleneck issue. I would updaste your video card to something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487077 you need the extra memory on the card. and the motherboard doesn't look to great, if you had 1000 dollars I would put something together like a core 17 the video card above and an asus motherboard. If not its hard to say what to do, if you do have a bottleneck upgrading just the cpu to a core i7 will help with that, which your MB can accept. But chances are its a graphics card issue. you can try just upgrading the card, but then that may cause a bottleneck if there isn't one now. Its good to see the MB is pci 3.0 try a new GPU and you will definitely see improvments, and at a later time update the cpu accordingly if you have bottlenecking issues on the northbridge.

USAdystopia
12-01-2014, 08:37 AM
May as well rebuild than upgrade.

Replace the dual with at least a Quad Core or better. Intel 4000 Series. AMD 8350 or 9590 and be done with it.

Take a look at ASUS ROG motherboards...you won't regret it. A Nvidia OR AMD gpu(s)will fit on the motherboard so you are not limited once you choose the processor. Get a Nvidia 780 or better or 280/290 Series AMD and you'll be good for quite awhile. Be sure the PCI-es give you 16 lanes when in SLI or Crossfire-X mode.

If you add RAM make sure it is EXACTLY the same as you already have. For gaming there is no particular benefit from memory speeds higher than 1600 if you decide to replace your memory sticks.


Educate yourself on proper cooling, liquid vs air, airflow; both positive and negative setups, overclocking guides.

BTW read Windows 7 (8) Optimization Guide and SSD Optimization Guide on thessdreview...

Anykeyer
12-01-2014, 09:08 AM
Take a look at ASUS ROG motherboards...you won't regret it.
Overpriced, lots of gimmicks, thats what they are. The last thing you should consider when trying to get the most performance for the lowest price.

Be sure the PCI-es give you 16 lanes when in SLI or Crossfire-X mode
Unnecessary, both 16x and SLI/CF. ts better to just buy a single most powerfull GPU you can afford. Consider SLI/CF only if the most powerfull GPU on the market isnt enough at your resolution.

nDeMatt
12-01-2014, 02:48 PM
I plan on slowly upgrading soon anyway (new motherboard and cpu) but I'd like to just buy one part at the moment, as I'm very tight for cash, just to be able to play the game at a smooth frame rate, even if it's at low settings. From what you guys are saying, a new graphics card seems like the way to go. If that's the case, how do you guys feel about the R7 260x? I found a good Cyber Monday deal here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161461).

del170919084429
12-01-2014, 02:48 PM
I completely agree here, don't think sli unless you are buying the most advanced gpu and in order to increase performance you need 2. For the last 15 years I have only bought asus motherboards. I have become a custom to their design and reliability. when it comes to parts I have particular companies I buy from, some times I deviate but for the most part memory is corsair, Graphics cards are evga motherboards are asus. But when it came to my hard drive Samsung out did the market so instead of buying corsair with outdated technology I went with Samsung.

del170919084429
12-01-2014, 02:54 PM
I personally don't like AMD/ATI but its whatever you like, its your system. As far as the card you linked to I know cash is an issue, but you should really be looking at something with at least 3gb of gpu memory. My wife has a 560ti that runs pretty good, I think I paid like 200 for it, that only has 1 gb memory and she can run tomb raider no problem, but if she tries to run unity on that rig its not going to be fun. Also educate yourself on computer systems in general. Not just hardware, but software aswell. There are many ways to boost performance and tweak extra fps and such, you just need to know and understand them.

nDeMatt
12-01-2014, 03:08 PM
I agree with you on the EVGA thing, I've always used their cards and that's what my 550 ti is. I was looking at the 750 ti 2gb from them, I had just seen that the R7 260x got some better reviews. I think I might get the 750 ti 2 gb instead just because I've always liked nVidia more. I'll slowly start upgraded as well, albeit on a tight budget (the "ball and chain" won't let me spend much :mad:), any suggestions on what to buy that might not be completely obsolete in a year? Thanks for all the help btw.

Anykeyer
12-01-2014, 03:18 PM
I plan on slowly upgrading soon anyway (new motherboard and cpu) but I'd like to just buy one part at the moment, as I'm very tight for cash, just to be able to play the game at a smooth frame rate, even if it's at low settings. From what you guys are saying, a new graphics card seems like the way to go. If that's the case, how do you guys feel about the R7 260x? I found a good Cyber Monday deal here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161461).

Nope. ACU requires at least GTX 680 and 2GB VRAM (it uses all 2GB even on low settings). Also traditionally nvidia GPUs perform much better in AC games.
The most cost effective way that will also allow you to play Unity on high/ultra is to buy GTX 970 now and i5 2500 later (2500K if you have Pxx or Zxx chipset and not afraid to overclock). You wont need to change motherboard, RAM or other parts.

del170919084429
12-01-2014, 06:22 PM
I agree with you on the EVGA thing, I've always used their cards and that's what my 550 ti is. I was looking at the 750 ti 2gb from them, I had just seen that the R7 260x got some better reviews. I think I might get the 750 ti 2 gb instead just because I've always liked nVidia more. I'll slowly start upgraded as well, albeit on a tight budget (the "ball and chain" won't let me spend much :mad:), any suggestions on what to buy that might not be completely obsolete in a year? Thanks for all the help btw.

Sorry brother but I cant refer anything to you that wont obsolete in the next 3 months. Right now Nvidia is working on gpu's that are 5 years away. The next release will be either a 990 dual gpu card or some high memory card like the 6gb titan series. I actually contacted evga and NVidia about getting 980s to replace my titan blacks because the benchmarks on games were better with the 980s. They both told me stay with the titan blacks, my guess is that the titan blacks will be getting some sort of firmware update for direct x 12 and mfaa.

USAdystopia
12-01-2014, 06:38 PM
Funny how those that don't have certain hardware will advise others they don't need it when THEY don't have it and especially when THEY post that they are having problems running this game.

del170919084429
12-01-2014, 09:48 PM
Funny how those that don't have certain hardware will advise others they don't need it when THEY don't have it and especially when THEY post that they are having problems running this game.

THAT was very enlightening

YazX_
12-01-2014, 09:56 PM
Nope. ACU requires at least GTX 680 and 2GB VRAM (it uses all 2GB even on low settings). Also traditionally nvidia GPUs perform much better in AC games.
The most cost effective way that will also allow you to play Unity on high/ultra is to buy GTX 970 now and i5 2500 later (2500K if you have Pxx or Zxx chipset and not afraid to overclock). You wont need to change motherboard, RAM or other parts.

Agreed, this is the best thing you can do for the time being and play the game now.

InViz0
12-02-2014, 01:43 AM
I'll keep this short:

I just bought AC: Unity and it runs like garbage on all low settings. This is my PC:

Core i3
8 gb RAM
Geforce GTX 500ti 1gb.

I'm just wondering which I should upgrade first, my CPU or GPU, to make the game run smoothly? I'm on a tight budget so only want to do one at the moment.

This is a very nice desktop for Microsoft Word and Google Chrome.

Altair1789
12-02-2014, 02:35 AM
I was hoping to not have to spend that much on a new card.

If it makes a difference, my i3 is a 2100 so it's pretty old.

Unity runs almost exactly the same for me whether I'm running on high or low, I play with an AMD FX 4300 and a GTX 750 Ti on high with 25-30 fps. I think if you got a 750 Ti you could probably pull off 30 fps low. I'm not anywhere close to being considered good with computers though

del170919084429
12-02-2014, 09:19 AM
this is just a little more than you wanted to spend, but the consensus of the posters here say its worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

strigoi1958
12-02-2014, 09:26 PM
this is just a little more than you wanted to spend, but the consensus of the posters here say its worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

THIS^^^^^

If you do not want to risk a pre-owned then this is the best option and not far off your price range

nDeMatt
12-04-2014, 04:36 PM
this is just a little more than you wanted to spend, but the consensus of the posters here say its worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

Thanks, that's actually the exact card I'm buying next week. I'll update how the game runs from there. I'm hoping medium settings at 30+ fps, but that's probably far fetched.

del170919084429
12-04-2014, 07:53 PM
Thanks, that's actually the exact card I'm buying next week. I'll update how the game runs from there. I'm hoping medium settings at 30+ fps, but that's probably far fetched.

If you have a Microcenter near your house, than you can return opened hardware for a full refund no restocking fee. So If it doesn't help you could just tell them I did not help you and get your money back. With Newegg and everyone else on the planet they will charge you a restocking fee, unless you give them some sort of story about it.

Please keep me posted on how the card helps, I am 99% sure you will see an increase in performance. How much is the question? but let me know. Good luck brother.

Fatal-Feit
12-05-2014, 12:01 AM
Thanks, that's actually the exact card I'm buying next week. I'll update how the game runs from there. I'm hoping medium settings at 30+ fps, but that's probably far fetched.

A rig I built for my friend has the exact same card + a worse CPU. He's getting an average of 30 fps with said settings.


900p or 1080p (900p if env set on very high)
Environment - Very High or High
Textures - High
Shadows - Low
SSAO or HBAO+ (fps shouldn't dip any lower than 28-29ish with SSAO)
FXAA

Drops to 26/28/29-ish do happen sometimes but they aren't gameplay breaking.

IIIdefconIII
12-05-2014, 02:58 PM
motherboard: Gigabyte lga 1155 intel b75
cpu: Core i3 2100 dual core 3.1ghz
ram: 8gb crucial ballistix
gpu: Geforce gtx 550ti 1gb

i run most newer games (bf4, wolfenstein: New order) at mostly high settings, 720p (native res) at 40-60 fps.

I'm okay with unity running at low, as i'm on a budget and don't want to spend a fortune, i just want to run at 30 fps or better.

ssd?

nDeMatt
12-05-2014, 03:51 PM
If you have a Microcenter near your house, than you can return opened hardware for a full refund no restocking fee. So If it doesn't help you could just tell them I did not help you and get your money back. With Newegg and everyone else on the planet they will charge you a restocking fee, unless you give them some sort of story about it.

Please keep me posted on how the card helps, I am 99% sure you will see an increase in performance. How much is the question? but let me know. Good luck brother.

Will do, thanks for all the help/advice. I'm hoping for medium settings at 720p smoothly. I'll report back soon, maybe this can help someone else figure out which card to buy.

nDeMatt
12-05-2014, 03:53 PM
ssd?

Yes a PNY 120gb something or other. Had to just get one quick as my previous OCZ one died on me randomly one day.

nDeMatt
12-11-2014, 02:08 AM
If you have a Microcenter near your house, than you can return opened hardware for a full refund no restocking fee. So If it doesn't help you could just tell them I did not help you and get your money back. With Newegg and everyone else on the planet they will charge you a restocking fee, unless you give them some sort of story about it.

Please keep me posted on how the card helps, I am 99% sure you will see an increase in performance. How much is the question? but let me know. Good luck brother.

Thanks so much for the help and for making me switch to a 2gb card instead of a 1gb. I got an EVGA GeForce GTX 750ti Superclocked 2gb and at 720p (older 32" tv's native) I run mostly high settings, with shadows on low FSAA and nVidia HBAO+, really smoothly. Not sure of exact fps but it runs really nicely, I'd say 30-40's. I ge the occasional frame rate drop, but I hear that's a problem with the game that many are having, plus lowering settings doesn't help that so I'm assuming it's the game not my PC. Anyway, difference is night and day so thanks for all the help!

Johnny_R3b
12-11-2014, 02:59 AM
Your CPU and ram are good.

With a 750 Ti, you should get an average of 30+ fps with the following settings:

900p or 1080p (900p if env set on very high)
Environment - Very High or High
Textures - High
Shadows - Low
SSAO or HBAO+ (fps shouldn't dip any lower than 28-29ish with SSAO)
FXAA

Console settings, honestly.

WRONG i run that with a 770 to get it to play....actually tex are on low tbh to get 30 fps on 900p

del170919084429
12-11-2014, 03:06 PM
Im glad it worked for you, if you want to measure fps you can download the free version of action. its a video recorder for games, it shows the fps in the upper left hand screen, and its free!

you can also use evga precision software which is free, but has had many problems over the past 6 months or so, Id stay away from precision till they fix it.

Fatal-Feit
12-11-2014, 03:16 PM
WRONG i run that with a 770 to get it to play....actually tex are on low tbh to get 30 fps on 900p

How can I be wrong if I've also tested it? I own a GTX 760 (2) and a 970. And often use a friend's said budget rig for testing. All are playable.

I'm starting to believe there is something up with the 770, specifically. Everyone who owns a 770 that I've played with seems to have massive FPS/stuttering issues with the game.

LateralusGTS
12-11-2014, 09:43 PM
I did a 30 minute game time test -getting 2 viewpoints, one quest, running around- I got 40 FPS on average, with a minimum of 23 (probably a spike where theres tons of peeps) and a maximum of 60. So it was pretty smooth 98% of the time. The only thing I'm still getting are texture popping here and there, really annoying, oh and this is all on Ultra High with max Nvidia special graphics options that are in game. I would guess you will need a better GPU than what you have, im using a G1 Gaming Windforce GTX 970, got it from newegg for $350 during black novemeber. My CPU is an i7-4790k, also from newegg for $285 during black novemeber. Its not cheap, but ive been saving up for a while (1.5 years), this was all part of my new rig that i built from scratch, total price was $1250. Its an awesome rig, it replaced my old Alienware desktop from 2008! :D