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SkyChimp
05-02-2004, 05:56 PM
From Naval Aviation News, January, 1947

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SkyChimp
05-02-2004, 05:56 PM
From Naval Aviation News, January, 1947

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/bearcatclimb.jpg

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DONB3397
05-02-2004, 06:57 PM
As a kid, I had a chance to watch the second rendition of the Blue Angels at Olathe NAS in Bearcats. I believe Butch Voorhees was leading the group then. They took off as a group, climbed out of sight, then reappeared in a high-speed, low level pass down the runway, rotated into a vertical climb that shook the ground and delivered their own version of "shock and awe" as they climbed wingtip to wingtip into a high cloud layer.

I'm not sure of the year, but it seems to me it was about 1950. I was very young, but never forgot the feeling of utter wonder at these birds.

Forty-five years later, I took in an airshow near Minneapolis that included two restored Bearcats. Funny how they seemed nearly as impressive to me then.

Having said all that, there are other planes I would rather to see flyable in PF. It seems to me less important to see a high-performance fighter that didn't participate than a full complement of Japanese and allied aircraft that did.

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RAC_Pips
05-02-2004, 07:12 PM
Mind you armour and ammo had been removed and fuel load at less than half capacity (to maintain centre of gravity).

Setup pretty usual for flying display aircraft.

SkyChimp
05-02-2004, 07:29 PM
That's not correct. Armor was NOT removed. The plane was a stock F8F-1 Bearcat except that it was modified to achieve combat power with the gears down, which was otherwise not possible. That was the only modification. Otherwise, it was a run-of-the mill service F8F-1. The plane carried all armor, guns (sans ammo) and all naval arresting gear.

The exhibition was called Operation Pogostick. The F8F-1 was flown at the air races along with a stock Ryan Fireball. Here is a picture of the planes and pilots I got from Richard Leonards son:

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/one.jpg


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[This message was edited by SkyChimp on Sun May 02 2004 at 06:43 PM.]

fordfan25
05-02-2004, 07:50 PM
i flew a bearcat one time .....man that s.o.b scratched me all to pieces http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-02-2004, 08:46 PM
Bear behind me I would climb fast too

Aztek_Eagle
05-02-2004, 08:51 PM
doesnt matter, we wont have bearcat at least it is done by 3rd party

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SkyChimp
05-02-2004, 09:05 PM
I didn't post this because I'd like an F8F in PF, I just thought it was interesting.

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fordfan25
05-02-2004, 09:06 PM
thats all right we wont need it. just give me a parachute and a winchester ill be an ace in no time lol

faustnik
05-02-2004, 09:43 PM
Great post SkyChimp. It does not surprise me, wasn't the Bearcat one of those "most horsepower in the smallest airframe" planes like the Yak-3 or Bf109K?

I wonder how much room the A6M2 took to get off the ground? Couldn't the Storch take off in 60 ft or something insane?

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IV_JG51_Razor
05-02-2004, 09:59 PM
SkyChimp, my dad flew F8Fs in VF-193, and he told me that at cruise speed, you could crank back the canopy a couple of inches, and put your fingers out into the slip stream on one side or the other, say out to the second joint, and the plane would turn in the direction you had your hand out! He said it was the sweetest flying plane he's ever flown.

He told me about a rivalry they had with a P-51 outfit over at Hamilton AFB. One day, they decided to see who had the fastest climbing plane, so they met up at Santa Rosa NAS to settle it. A Bearcat and a P-51 lined up at the end of the runway, and they were to climb to some predetermined altitude to see who would get there first. The Bearcat lifted off alongside the Poney, pulled up into a loop, and came down on the tail of the Poney for a firing pass as he passed him up continuing the climb! I've heard that story on several different occasions, from several different sources, so I have bo doubt that it happened, but I never heard who got to altitude first! hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BSS_Vidar
05-03-2004, 01:58 AM
Awesome post of info Sky_Chimp, thnx!
Nuttin', and I mean nuttin' could out run or out climb a Bearcat short of something that had a jet in it. I have no idea why Pony drivers would want to subject them selves to what must have been known would be a real @$$ woopin. The P-51 comes in a respectable second place for flat out dash speed. But... The P-47 was still first in a dive and the Corsair took second in that catagory. But hands down, the F-8F ran and climbed like a home sick angel. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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RAC_Pips
05-03-2004, 03:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
That's not correct. Armor was NOT removed. The plane was a stock F8F-1 Bearcat except that it was modified to achieve combat power with the gears down, which was otherwise not possible. That was the only modification. Otherwise, it was a run-of-the mill service F8F-1. The plane carried all armor, guns (sans ammo) and all naval arresting gear.

The exhibition was called Operation Pogostick. The F8F-1 was flown at the air races along with a stock Ryan Fireball. Here is a picture of the planes and pilots I got from Richard Leonards son:
[This message was edited by SkyChimp on Sun May 02 2004 at 06:43 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But if the F8F hadn't been lightened for air display racing (which was an accepted practice) how do you explain the increased climb rate of a standard f8F-1 from a published rate of 4570ft/min to 5410ft/min?

If something hadn't been lightened, or engine beefef up on the F8F how could it gain a phemomenal extra 840ft/min in climb rate? Where did the extra power come from?

yerpalal
05-03-2004, 06:43 AM
I, too, have seen an F8F fly.

And more importantly, I have HEARD the Bearcat. from nearly out of sight the noise, when the pilot firewalled the throttle, rattled my teeth.

Awesome.

VW-IceFire
05-03-2004, 06:47 AM
One things for certain, the Bearcat is one beautiful looking fighter. A very smooth surface, a giant engine, and a wonderful bubble canopy.

If we ever do a historical what-if I hope to see these. They were impressive!

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ElAurens
05-03-2004, 07:49 AM
The later Corsairs were, I believe, faster above 10,000ft. Still an amazing rate of climb though.

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sugaki
05-03-2004, 11:28 AM
F8F vs. the P51's no contest, an F8F would dominate.

What's the plane to the left in the black and white pic? Not a Bearcat, not a Skyraider either... puzzled.

heywooood
05-03-2004, 11:35 AM
Ryan FR-1 Fireball

sugaki
05-03-2004, 11:52 AM
Heywood: cool, thanks for the info.

Man, the Fireball's one ugly plane, especially when it's next to such a cool looking plane like the F8F.

ZG77_Nagual
05-03-2004, 12:28 PM
My Uncle, Bud Walker was a marine/navy pilot during Korea and flew hellcat, wildcat, bearcat, f4u4(in combat) and f9f (also combat).
He's nearly 80 and still does airshows in florida in his pitts special http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I asked him about the bearcat once and he said the acceleration was incredible (he used some obscene navy-type metaphores to describe it) He also remarked that it was trimmed neutral for takeoff - which is interesting considering that monster motor and prop.

BSS_Vidar
05-03-2004, 03:07 PM
I agree Blitz_Pig, The later Corsairs did close the gap in the differences with the Bearcat, but that didn't happen till the late forties - early 50's. I was just keeping my comments in the Pacific Theater of Operations during WWII. Perhapes we'll see a Korean Conflict Product in the future, complete with carrier ops in Super Corsairs,Cougars,and Banshee's vs. Mig-15's, 17's and 19's. A Coop mission for the strikes on the Bridges at Toko Ri. Wouldn't dat just curel your PC flight simmin' toes!

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