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BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 08:10 AM
I'm wondering why the P51 series isn't given the option to load out with rockets.....

I'm pretty sure that the B models was able to be loaded out with 6 bazooka type rockets (like on the p47) and the later d models (and the later p47 models) were loaded out with HVAR style rockets.

Why does oleg and co. not give us this option on these two planes types? Is it because I am wrong and HVAR's were not available on either the later model P47's or the 51D's. And the bazooka type rockets were not an option on the B's?

Any speculation?

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BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 08:10 AM
I'm wondering why the P51 series isn't given the option to load out with rockets.....

I'm pretty sure that the B models was able to be loaded out with 6 bazooka type rockets (like on the p47) and the later d models (and the later p47 models) were loaded out with HVAR style rockets.

Why does oleg and co. not give us this option on these two planes types? Is it because I am wrong and HVAR's were not available on either the later model P47's or the 51D's. And the bazooka type rockets were not an option on the B's?

Any speculation?

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tonedogbf110
03-04-2004, 08:13 AM
Think you'll find that although maybe capable of carrying rockets, the P51 was only used as a long range fighter.

The mudmoving was wisely left to the P47, Typhoon and Tempest. and occasionally the Spit.

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BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 08:24 AM
Even if that were true, which I don't think it is. (I seem to recall seeing gun cam footage of p51's hitting hangers with rockets. It most certainly was a long range escort plane, but I think it wasn't used EXCLUSIVE as this.)

I digress, even if it it was true that it was only used for in an exclusive intercept form, your reply doesn't answer my question as to why, if these planes were able to be loaded out with this ordinance, why the option isn't given in the game.

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Fillmore
03-04-2004, 09:00 AM
time. same reason no panzerblitz for FW190F8s, no droptanks/ordincance for Hurricanes/Spits etc., etc., etc.

BuzzU
03-04-2004, 09:10 AM
Have you thought of asking Oleg on his forum, instead of us?

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BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 09:13 AM
doh!!!

Good question...think I'll got there now

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papaboon
03-04-2004, 09:35 AM
http://usfighter.tripod.com/p51.htm

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BM357_Raven
03-04-2004, 09:42 AM
The P-51 played multiple roles--it was not exclusively a long range escort.

With the advent of the 51, the Americans were now able to take the war long range and in exploiting the P-51's range, the USAAF did use the 51 extensively for attacking airdromes, fuel refineries, trains, etc..

Some P-51's even carried recon camera equipment for "high-alt vetical" and "low alt rear oblique" photography. Others were employed exclusively, at times, for the ground attack role..

Btw, for those who don't know, pilots were much more likely to die attacking ground targets than they were fighting other planes in the sky.

For being such a big fan of the P-51, I personally am not sure how many P-51's were employed with bazooka-style rockets, but according to one source, the 4.5 in High Velocity Aircraft Rocket (HVAR)--launched from bazooka tubes--"were used extensively in both the European and CBI Theatres.."* The caption on this page shows a P-51B variant with 3 bazooka rockets per wing.

During the Korean War, the P51D/K could be loaded up to 10 HVAR rockets, but usaully carried 6, as I understand. Of course, this ain't the Korean War.. But I sure would love 10 rockets! ;)



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porcupine1
03-04-2004, 09:54 AM
The P-51 was not just a long rang escort. It was very commonly used for moving mud as well.
generally even after escorting bombers the were sent down to the deck to use thier guns on "targets of opprotunaty"
I had a freind who flew thes birds for real, he said they his unit to was sent to hit ground targets more than enemy fighters. and yes they did carry rockets but from what he told me they didnt like it. the rocket racks caused too much drag after the rockets were gone. they prefered bombs, once they were dropped it was just as manuvearble as ever, just in case they were jumped by fighters.
however i guess when going after train yards rockets worked better.they would go in side by side and fire the rockets. when the boilers went on the trains it would fill the air with shards of metal from the train. if they had to use bombs the would come in in a row and each drop bombs. the first guy had no problem but every body else got pelted with steam and metal. he said that it was scary as he!! being the next in line.
Also the tuskegee air men spent almost a year hitting ground targets in mustangs, granted that was more of a political tectic then a military.

I am guessing the main reason for not having them in the game is that two mustang models would have to be made for each model mustang. one for bombs and one for rockets. also a two new mustang flight models one with rockets and one with rocket racks. since it was not overly common for mustangs to carry rockets i guess they just went with the bombs.

BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 10:22 AM
Thank you porcupine1 and Filmore!!!

No THanks to BuzU and Tonedog for your negative responses.

Looks like at least TWO people knows how to answer a post asking for speculation -

"I am guessing the main reason for not having them in the game is that two mustang models would have to be made for each model mustang. one for bombs and one for rockets. also a two new mustang flight models one with rockets and one with rocket racks. since it was not overly common for mustangs to carry rockets i guess they just went with the bombs." -

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Chuck_Older
03-04-2004, 10:33 AM
T-dog was just mistaken, and Buzz suggested asking in the forum you'd most likely get a response...this is General Discussion, where you interact mainly with players, not developers.

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BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 10:34 AM
And I asked for "DISCUSSION" in the form of Speculation on why rockets were left off...

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porcupine1
03-04-2004, 11:20 AM
now people! play nice!!
DONT MAKE ME COME BACK THERE!!
LOL

BM357_TinMan
03-04-2004, 11:22 AM
Yea,

I got a little out of hand..

Sry.

I'll stop now My apologies, I didn't have to be so nasty.

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sfbaytf
03-04-2004, 11:26 AM
The P-51 was even moving mud during the Korean war. Probably was more effective than the jets of the period. Come to think of it the Corsair was also an effective mud mover during the Korean war.

Just think after WW2 you could have bought a surplus Mustang for a few thousand bucks. A heafty sum in those days, but think what it would be worth today. Had you bought a surplus P-38...

porcupine1
03-04-2004, 11:39 AM
hey tinman dont worry i was just kiddin with ya!

porcupine1
03-04-2004, 11:40 AM
I know a guy whos dad bought a p-40 after the war for $700 he didnt even know how to fly. it just sat on his lawn until he sold it to a museum.

sfbaytf
03-04-2004, 11:44 AM
I saw a TBF Avenger in Sacramento that sat there for years. Its now gone. Hopefully someone restored it.

porcupine1
03-04-2004, 11:51 AM
it makes me sad to see a plane just siting out in a park or worse yet set up on a steel post to make it look like its flying. Agghh its like seeing a racehorse in a broomcloset. there is a P-80 and a F-86 sitting on a post in front of a mall near my house.
evry time i drive i cant help feeling sad because they will never fly agian, at least they could be treated better!