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Burnin_777_AVG
02-22-2004, 04:05 PM
A couple months ago I got this crazy idea for a light weight and portable cockpit that could be of use to IL-2 fans. This is the prototype that was supposed to debut at the SoCal LAN party yesterday, but because of family drama I was unable to attend. So, here it is. Am I a goofball or what. :-) Remember it is a prototype and is there is lots of room for improvement.

BV

http://777AVG.com/screens/newcockpit1.jpg

http://777AVG.com/screens/newcockpit2.jpg

http://777AVG.com/screens/ubisignew.jpg

Burnin_777_AVG
02-22-2004, 04:05 PM
A couple months ago I got this crazy idea for a light weight and portable cockpit that could be of use to IL-2 fans. This is the prototype that was supposed to debut at the SoCal LAN party yesterday, but because of family drama I was unable to attend. So, here it is. Am I a goofball or what. :-) Remember it is a prototype and is there is lots of room for improvement.

BV

http://777AVG.com/screens/newcockpit1.jpg

http://777AVG.com/screens/newcockpit2.jpg

http://777AVG.com/screens/ubisignew.jpg

BPLIzard
02-22-2004, 04:11 PM
Very nice! Is it metal? Did it involve welding the tubes together? Where did you get the materials from?

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LW_Cobra
02-22-2004, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BPLIzard:
Very nice! Is it metal?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm thinking metal would eliminate the 'light weight' portion of his thinking. Looks like PVC pipe to me - once you put that glue on there it is a done deal. Nice first effort man, good job.

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Jagdgeschwader2
02-22-2004, 05:13 PM
I like his wooden cockpit better. Thats class!

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AFJ_Locust
02-22-2004, 05:57 PM
Salute BV

nice job AGAIN http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Man you never quit do ya http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Capt_Kernel
02-22-2004, 08:58 PM
Very cool gentlemen. Both cockpits look good. A great idea for my new finished basement......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Troll2k
02-22-2004, 08:59 PM
I suspect that if it was all "glued" together it would be rather hard to transport to a lan party.

DONB3397
02-22-2004, 09:27 PM
Nice rig. What's the role of the laundry basket?

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adlabs6
02-22-2004, 09:28 PM
Burnin that is cool!

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BPLIzard
02-22-2004, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Troll2k:
I suspect that if it was all "glued" together it would be rather hard to transport to a lan party.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really. Here in Socal lots of people drive pickup trucks.

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Burnin_777_AVG
02-22-2004, 10:25 PM
Hey guys,

Glad you guys like it. To answer some of your questions.

1. It is PVC pipe. 1/2 in.
2. Large sections are welded (glued) together, but sections break down for transport.
3. It is stable and light weight.

I am exploring other options and materials for construction. Working with plastic has it's advantages and it's drawbacks. If I can find a suitable design I will put them up for sale. At least that is the idea. After flying in my wooden cockpit for so long sitting at a desk while flying just won't do.

BV

P.S. the laundry basket not included.

http://777AVG.com/screens/ubisignew.jpg

BlindHuck
02-23-2004, 01:30 AM
What?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

No rudder pedals?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Diablo310th
02-23-2004, 06:42 AM
BV.....S!!. I like this new idea for the cockpit. What kind of material are u using for the tops??? Are u going to inclose it with anything after the frame is done??

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westcoastphil
02-23-2004, 08:09 AM
Nice job on both pits. I've been thinking about building one myself, although I don't think I've got the skill to do it.

One thing that's needed and especially evident in the wooden pit. Cupholders. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Rajvosa
02-23-2004, 08:15 AM
Great work!

But where do you keep the keyboard - and what about the rudder pedals?

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horseback
02-23-2004, 09:16 AM
Burnin'-

If you're gonna market it, start thinking now about adjustable seat height & back angle. A lot of your potential market is composed of fat old farts with bad backs (how do do I know this, you ask?). Instead of a dedicated seat, you might also offer a frame to anchor the standard 5 roller adjustable office chair most of us already have.

You'll also need to think about side platforms for holding the computer case, UPS, subwoofer & beer cooler. Speaker platforms beside the monitor stand and behind the headrest might also be cool. The cupholder issue has already been addressed.

Don't take these suggestions as criticism; it's a beautiful idea, and we only want to help.

Cheers

horseback

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VonKlugermon
02-23-2004, 09:25 AM
Great Job Burnin! 1/2 inch PVC seems to small, are you using Schedule 40? I've experimented with PVC on other projects and found there is a wide range of adapters/reducers etc. I might suggest using a mix of the smaller and larger (1" or 1.5") pieces. This might offer more support/rigidity without added weight. Also, you can easily bend this stuff with a propane torch. Just attach a flame spreader to the torch and carefully heat a section (all the way around) until it's pliable. Bend it to your specs, then freeze it into place with a wet rag.

Keep up the good work!

Willy

Freycinet
02-23-2004, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Burnin'-

If you're gonna market it, start thinking now about adjustable seat height & back angle. A lot of your potential market is composed of fat old farts with bad backs (how do do I know this, you ask?). Instead of a dedicated seat, you might also offer a frame to anchor the standard 5 roller adjustable office chair most of us already have.

You'll also need to think about side platforms for holding the computer case, UPS, subwoofer & beer cooler. Speaker platforms beside the monitor stand and behind the headrest might also be cool. The cupholder issue has already been addressed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

excellent suggestions.

How about a pic of the thing in its packed state?

SergeVE
02-23-2004, 06:37 PM
Looks very nice so far.
I have a question about your wooden setup .
I have a setup which is very , very similar to your wooden setup.
Why did you abandon the elongated stick ?
Was it just because of the cushion ?
I've been thinking about making an elongated stick myself.
I now have a converted MS sidewinder forcefeedback in my rig ( I made a new more compact housing made of very strong fine plywood).
I would like to make a second rig with an elongated stick , but I fear that the force feedback effect will be weaker because of the longer stick . I also fear that I might "tear" the whole thing apart when playing , because the forces applied by me will be 3 to 5 times stronger because of the leverage . The gearbox inside the stick might not be strong enough to handle those forces.

Do you have any experiance with an elongated stick with force feedback ?
Any other remarks about an elongated stick ?

Burnin_777_AVG
02-23-2004, 06:45 PM
Hey everybody,

First off, let me say thanks for the many suggestions. I am glad to see there is some genuine excitement about this idea. Believe it or not I have thought about everyone of those suggestions during the prototype process. Let me address some of them.

1. 1/2 inch pipe was chosen because I felt it would be easier to cut and manage. Unfortunately, it bends to much and will be dumped on the second prototype for probably 1 1/2 inch pipe. Plus there ended up being too many parts. And I will use schedule 40 which is plenty strong.

2. With regards to seat adjustablility, I want to make it somewhat adjustable, but if I add office chairs and bucket seats it gets to damn expensive. Shipping alone will be expensive due to added weight. However, adding your own chair may be an option. I envision seat angle adjustment, but height is iffy. Height is hard because of the physics involved. You want the seat to be stable and of simple design. However, the current height and angle is very comfy. I am 6ft 2in and 215 lbs. One thing about the height is that I will test it one several people who are different heights and weights. Also remember that the rudder pedals will always be adjustable and can compensate for too high of a chair. If a male between say 5ft 6in and 6ft 5in can be comfortable then we are ok. BTW I tested it on my housemate who is 6ft 4in and 300 lbs. It held up fine.

3. With regards to fat dudes. The seat dimensions are pretty wide and future designs will accomodate fairly large folks. Believe me I know what the average flight simmer looks like ;-)

4. The next design will be simpler and easier to break-down. I already have the basic plans laid out.

5. Yes, there are many many types of couplers out there for just this type of project and I have my local source all ready to go on the new design.

6. Additonal spaces for speakers, computer case etc..Speakers, especially the rear ones are already accounted for in the first prototype, but weren't added yet. Front speakers are easy additions. Even space for the CPU is easy. Adding the proper areas on there are no problem.

7. Portability is my goal. I want it to fit in the trunk of most cars. It is possible cause I am already close. Wouldn't it be awesome to take one to your local LAN party and not sit at a desk or worry about room for all the players at someones house?

8. And I will try to incorporate cupholders ;-)

9. How much will it cost? My goal is to make them available for the price of a decent joystick. That way it will just be another component of your flight-sim set up.

BV

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Burnin_777_AVG
02-23-2004, 06:51 PM
Serge,

The elongated stick went the way of the Do-Do Bird because of the complexity and nature of computer flight sims. Long sticks lose the fine feel that is necessary to be an effective fighter online. I got my *** handed to me with the long stick. However, if you can over come that with a better design then I had, go for it and post your results and how about some pics of your pit?

BV

http://777AVG.com/screens/ubisignew.jpg

Dash_C.
02-23-2004, 08:51 PM
It looks breezy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

porcupine1
02-23-2004, 11:49 PM
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SergeVE
02-24-2004, 11:40 AM
BURNIN_777_AVG , I am sorry , but I can't post any pictures , because I don't have a digital camera yet .

So I will give you a description of my cockpit-assembly .

My rig is in my living-room , where I have a large table for my PC ( 90 x 220 cm ).
The PC is not only used for flight SIM games , but also for other activities .
So I had to make something which could be "pushed" aside when not in use .

The whole assembly is made up of 3 sub-assemblies :

- assembly A : a small rig for the monitor , sitting on top of my PC-table .
This is a simple box-like construction , made of 4 MDF-panels ( 18 mm thick ) .
The monitor is on top of this box , so the monitor is now in a position 15 cm above the table .
This box is mounted on 4 small wheels of about 3 cm diameter ( the kind you can buy in any DIY shop , these wheels are of the non-swivel type ) .
So , when I play FB , I simply roll this box with the monitor 50 cm towards me , so it is now at the front edge of the table .
This box also holds my keyboard , which is at an angle of about 80? to the table , and just underneath the edge of the screen .
This keyboard is used only for FB , because it has coloured lables with text on it stuck to the keys , so I don't have to memorise all those keys .

- assembly B : a small MDF-panel for the rudder pedals .
This is simply a piece of MDF , with 4 small wheels underneath ( the swivel-type ) .
The rudder-pedal-unit is put on top of this panel . One edge of this panel has 2 holes of 4 mm .
These holes fit over 2 pins ( M4 screws ) sticking out of the front of sub-assembly C.
This assembly is just put on the floor .
When I play FB , I connect part B to part C .
When I am not playing FB , I simply disconnect it from part C , and push it back under the PC table , where it is out harms way.

- assembly C : this is the main part
This contains all the rest : seat , stick , throttle , and a small tablet for the mouse.
When I play FB , I roll this unit in front of my PC table , and connect it to part B .
The aim was to make this part as small as possible , so when I am not playing FB , I can roll this assembly away from my PC table and leave it in some corner of the living room.
As it is now , part C is little bigger than an average chair .
This assembly is mounted on a MDF floor-panel of 62 x 60 cm , with small wheels underneath ( the swivel-type )
I also wanted to avoid a difficult climb in and out of the "cockpit".
Therefore I made a sysytem in which the seat can move backwards and forwards , by means of sturdy telescopic rails ( which are normally used for kitchen drawers ).
The "fixed" side of the telescopic rails are screwed onto the floor-panel , and the seat is mounted to the "moveable" part of the telescopic rails.
So in order to enter the "cockpit" , I slide the seat backwards , simply step in , sit down , slide the seat forward , and lock the seat .
I can assure you , this is very handy , no climbing , no stumbling , no footprints everywhere etc .

The stick is mounted on a vertical column , positioned between my legs .

On the left is a box , made of MDF , 52 cm high , 11 cm wide , 55 cm deep .
The throttle is on top of this box .
On the outer left edge of this box is a panel for the mouse . It is mounted on 2 hinges .
When I am not playing , I can tilt it into a vertical position , so it takes up less space.

The seat is made up of a few MDF panels , and fixed to the "sliding" part of the rails .
I also put 4 non-swivel wheels under the seat , to put less strain on the telescopic rails.

On the whole , it takes a few seconds to position and connnect the 3 assemblies , but once that is done , you have a very comfortable rig,
easy to get in and out of , detachable , and you can transport it in an average car .

Serge V. E.