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huggy87
05-19-2004, 02:01 PM
In one brief QMB with the mustang I could not really tell. Nothing about them is mentioned in the included readme.

huggy87
05-19-2004, 02:01 PM
In one brief QMB with the mustang I could not really tell. Nothing about them is mentioned in the included readme.

huggy87
05-19-2004, 02:29 PM
shameless bump

chunkylovepony
05-19-2004, 02:31 PM
they sure seem more powerful to me.

So what if its slow and it can't climb for ****... http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v126/chunkylovepony/new_p40.jpg

NegativeGee
05-19-2004, 03:39 PM
The B/C Mustangs are a good ride to test out the re-worked fiftys in. Its a bit like being in a pre-patch Jug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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huggy87
05-19-2004, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
The B/C Mustangs are a good ride to test out the re-worked fiftys in. Its a bit like being in a pre-patch Jug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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Educate me on the pre-patch jug. ????

bird_brain
05-19-2004, 06:25 PM
It rolled like a slow P-38 but the firepower was the same as the P-51B/C with only 4 guns until alot of people figured out you had to fire both guns & cannons to get all 8 guns to fire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif
The other 4 guns are controlled by the cannon trigger you know... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

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huggy87
05-19-2004, 06:31 PM
Thanks. I get the joke now. It took me a flight or two to figure that out on the jug (at least I didn't post about it).

|CoB|_Spectre
05-19-2004, 06:31 PM
Again, it's hard to tell where gun dispersion and effectiveness begin and a tweaked damage model takes over. I did a QMB with a P-47D-27 against a Bf-110G2 and an Fw-190A6. I did not couple the MGs with the cannon, so I was only using half the guns at a time, but they sure seemed to be more effective to me. Maybe the DM of the 110 has made it react more to being hit, but whatever it is, I like what I see and it seems to be more inline with gun camera footage and firstperson accounts of the Jug's effectiveness. We shall see.

Bull_dog_
05-19-2004, 06:40 PM
I think the .50's are about the same strength, but the dispersion has been improved so hits at convergence are really good now...the Jug is ripping wings off again! The B/C mustang still takes finesse and you do have to peck away with the p-38 after the 20mm is gone...this is why I think the hitting strength has been left alone and dispersion fixed... I got off line hits at .75km in a lightning...but did not due much damage.

By the way...I can already tell damage modelling of some aircraft has been altered...lots of structural failures again...wings coming off, tail sections being shot off etc...

I think the .50's will be effective overall so that you can expect to kill an opponent on line with .50's after a good burst...either by straight out killing him or diminish his ability to maneuver. I think a bigger online problem revolves around packet loss...I suspect that is a bigger problem than gets attention...on small caliber weapons that require many hits...what if 50% never make it due to connection speed?

SKY_BOSS
05-19-2004, 08:05 PM
The Jug should rip wings off. 8 50's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Sweet firepower.

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karost
05-19-2004, 08:25 PM
Well , need to know about this...
any one try H2H TEST with AI(ace) or online with people vs. people like this:

p51d vs 109G2 (151/20)
P51d vs 109G6 (Mk108)
p47 vs 109G2 (151/20)
P47 vs 109G6 (Mk108)



Did .50 shotting like magic mg in I-16 ?
S!

tttiger
05-19-2004, 08:34 PM
LOL, there never was anything "magic" about the Rata's machine guns.

They were Russian guns with very high rates of fire (almost three times as many rounds per minute as a Browning). So, when your aim is good, you put a lot of bullets in that target with a short burst. And those early war Emils and Franzs didn't haul all the armor that the later G models did.

No magic at all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BS87
05-19-2004, 08:40 PM
Try this. Take a P47 or P38 and get a nice steady burst onto the centerline of an I-185. Prettiest explision in the game. Its odd having wings fall off and things blow up with the .50s again ;P

luthier1
05-19-2004, 08:43 PM
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Korolov
05-19-2004, 08:49 PM
Ah, but the damage models have been modified, haven't they? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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-morpheus-
05-19-2004, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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SKY_BOSS
05-19-2004, 08:52 PM
50's seem the same too me.

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Menthol_moose
05-19-2004, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.. what about the dispersion ???!!
wtf ???! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Seahawk89
05-19-2004, 09:13 PM
Took my first ride in a patched P51, online in a coop. Got 4 190's and the ai stole another one. Short burts and they catch fire fast. Only one try but seemed like a big difference.

SkyChimp
05-19-2004, 09:51 PM
The Spit's 20mm appears to have been adjusted.

I just hit a D-9 with a single round and it not only burned, it blew up!

The D-9 appears to be very vulnerable now.

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chris455
05-19-2004, 10:22 PM
I thought so, and I said as much.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Z1stDan
05-19-2004, 10:24 PM
Just got off of online dogfights and if the 50s have been changed its not by much. Still seem to be not that effective on line.

Resident_Jock
05-20-2004, 12:16 AM
If the .50's weren't changed then the DM's were. I've been flying in QMB all night in the 38 and I ripped the wing off a 190 with a 1-second burst. Later I let into a 110 with all guns and it nuked itself. Neither of these bursts were very long, and all the planes I shot at displayed visible heavy damage after a run if they didn't suffer critical hits right away. Not like pre-patch where you were lucky to get a fuel leak and some fabric missing off the ol' wings. Flew some SP missions in the various mustangs and while the damage done didn't seem to be as extensive as the lightning (even without cannon, the closely packed .50's seem to do a better job than a greater amount in the wings), it was still acceptable. The poor P-51 still doesn't like damage, hehe.

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huggy87
05-20-2004, 01:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resident_Jock:
If the .50's weren't changed then the DM's were. I've been flying in QMB all night in the 38 and I ripped the wing off a 190 with a 1-second burst. Later I let into a 110 with all guns and it nuked itself. Neither of these bursts were very long, and all the planes I shot at displayed visible heavy damage after a run if they didn't suffer critical hits right away. Not like pre-patch where you were lucky to get a fuel leak and some fabric missing off the ol' wings. Flew some SP missions in the various mustangs and while the damage done didn't seem to be as extensive as the lightning (even without cannon, the closely packed .50's seem to do a better job than a greater amount in the wings), it was still acceptable. The poor P-51 still doesn't like damage, hehe.

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That sounds more like the real life accounts I have read.

Gibbage1
05-20-2004, 01:47 AM
The spread has NOT been fixed at all. I think the .50's to more damage, but its still spreading that damage all over the target even at convergance.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

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Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

pourshot
05-20-2004, 02:51 AM
My feeling after a only a short ride in a handfull of birds is that I cant really see much change in any of the guns.

Time will tell I suppose.

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Aaron_GT
05-20-2004, 03:01 AM
What on earth is the reasoning for not changing the dispersion on the .50? The evidence for change seemed rather strong, and Oleg himself said that the dispersion should be the same as the UB (unless I am misinterpreting his words, which is possible).

VFA-195 Snacky
05-20-2004, 03:04 AM
so be it, they work for whatever reason and I thank Oleg and his boys for hooking us up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RedDeth
05-20-2004, 04:45 AM
luthier are you serious or are you joking with that smiley face? whats the deal with the 50s?

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Diablo310th
05-20-2004, 06:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by luthier1:
The .50s have not been touched in this patch. Any differences you may see are purely your imagination http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I kinda thought so. I only got to fly a short while last night but teh spread appeared to still be there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif guess my Jug Dreams are only partially realized. Maybe a patch to teh patch to teh patch soon to fix it???

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EmbarkChief
05-20-2004, 07:30 AM
Maybe I'm crazy but it seems that the recoil of the .50's were lessend (-47 and -38)to the point that more accurate sustained fire is possible now. Maybe that explains some of impressions.

adadaead
05-20-2004, 07:50 AM
I don't they changed it just our imagination, cause thhey didn't mention it on the readme, so then nothing happened to .50 cals though i was happy with them before the patch, i could shot 110 wing with p38 before the patch, and made bf109 engine smoke with mustang 50. cals. Maybe they changed so planes would damaged easily, well germans planes so they be easier to shot down.



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WWMaxGunz
05-20-2004, 08:21 AM
Maybe the guns did not change but did what holds them stay the same? Did recoil stay the same? Is the dispersion the same is really the point.

Gib, ya wanna know, ya gotta check for yourself.


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NorrisMcWhirter
05-20-2004, 10:16 AM
Hi,

I'm not sure the .50 cals needed adjusting in terms of impact power; being on the receiving end was always a painful experience.

The premise that guns are the same is not true, however. The LW cannons have definately improved adding much to the balance of the game.

Cheers,
Norris

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