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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 02:31 PM
I am beggin the developers to not make Splinter Cell a port to all systems. It is obvious that the Splinter Cell is much better lookin and runs better on the XBOX (PS2 Version was a little pixelated), I heard that you guys woud use the special capabilities of each system and MAKE THE GAME KICK ***..

GAMECUBE (LINK TO GBA)
XBOX (Downloadalbe Missions)
PS2 (Don't remember)

I have the 3 systems and i have to say that the game looked best on the xbox (and it was released for the Xbox first)....

I just hope that u guys use the graphics and true power of the XBOX, because the truth is PS2 just can't Cut it anymore and ports look like CRAP...

DOOM 3, and HALF-LIFE 2 can't even run on PS2.


UBI.... MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 02:31 PM
I am beggin the developers to not make Splinter Cell a port to all systems. It is obvious that the Splinter Cell is much better lookin and runs better on the XBOX (PS2 Version was a little pixelated), I heard that you guys woud use the special capabilities of each system and MAKE THE GAME KICK ***..

GAMECUBE (LINK TO GBA)
XBOX (Downloadalbe Missions)
PS2 (Don't remember)

I have the 3 systems and i have to say that the game looked best on the xbox (and it was released for the Xbox first)....

I just hope that u guys use the graphics and true power of the XBOX, because the truth is PS2 just can't Cut it anymore and ports look like CRAP...

DOOM 3, and HALF-LIFE 2 can't even run on PS2.


UBI.... MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 03:42 PM
developers dont read this forum /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

and if they did i doubt they would change it at the LAST minute to just xbox

since the release date is march 04 !!

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 03:57 PM
I realize that they don't read this, but I could allways hope....

and don't get me wrong, I never said to make it XBOX only, I said that it should be optimized for each system. Because the graphics on the xbox version for SC 1, were much better than PS2 (PS2 looked little pixelated). that's the hardware's problem and I don't want it to be a Port because then it would look just like the PS2.

I like the fact that it is comming out for all systems, I just don't want it 2 be an exact port.

XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 05:35 PM
well actually there were two teams

team 1 did it for xbox and ported it to the pc

then team 2 did it for ps2 and gc

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 05:36 PM
Mike28386 wrote:

- GAMECUBE (LINK TO GBA)
- XBOX (Downloadalbe Missions)
- PS2 (Don't remember)


actually like this gamecube got a new weapon sticky bomb and link to gba to play the gba extra missons on ur gc

xbox got the downloadable missions
and the ps2 got an extra level called the powerplant (sam in white suit!)

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XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 05:46 PM
I knew about that extra mission for then PS2... but I was talkin about the next version...

XyZspineZyX
12-13-2003, 07:02 PM
oh for pt

then its gc no link to gba since NO GBA version announced!

ps2 internet xbox internet and downloadable content

pc mods???

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12-13-2003, 07:28 PM
they better make a GBA version/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif SInce they will probably meak a phone version/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 04:33 AM
THAT'S NICE...

I'd like them to make it so that One can do Multiplayer over System Link, instead of only Online. SC would be sweet in LAN party... That should be fun...

Also hope that they have seperate teams workin on each version Again, PC and XBOX 2gether since they are the most powerful

XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 04:36 AM
Oh ya, in the OXM magazine they mentioned and game a pic of the MOTION DETECTOR VIEW... Will that be another visual mode that Sam gets (LIKE NV, and THERMALs)... or is it for camera's only or what the heck is goin on...

Also if u know any good gadgets that they are gonna put in the new one, Share the Wealth bud... LOL

XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 02:51 AM
Mike28386 wrote:
- Oh ya, in the OXM magazine they mentioned and game a
- pic of the MOTION DETECTOR VIEW... Will that be
- another visual mode that Sam gets (LIKE NV, and
- THERMALs)... or is it for camera's only or what the
- heck is goin on...
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- Also if u know any good gadgets that they are gonna
- put in the new one, Share the Wealth bud... LOL
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They better keep a PS2 version cuz that's the only system I have.

Okay the motion dection thing is gonna be the online version and only the mercs can use it.

And the only gagdet I know about is an optic cable that is longer and can look over and under things not just into the next room.

XyZspineZyX
12-16-2003, 11:58 PM
i agree with mike28386

XyZspineZyX
12-17-2003, 01:16 AM
The quality of the game is all a quesiton of system specifications. Of course Xbox is going to look the best being that it is as close to a computer as you can get in a gaming console and also that it was released most recently and has higher end technology. Playstation 2 and GameCube are going to be lesser in quality but the gameplay will still be the same. I personally own a GameCube but use my computer for all of my gaming. Asking UBI Soft to create the game solely for the Xbox is being selfish and inconsiderate... Each system has it's ups and downs which will never change. You will always get the best quality and performance out of a computer, but many people do not have high-end gaming systems and thusly Xbox is second best. It's all a matter of what you have and what you are willing to spend for your games.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 01:16 AM
A little trivia...
People have been confused about this...every version of Splinter Cell will be online.

UbiSoft Montreal made Splinter Cell, and are making Splinter Cell 2(this is what I really want to play http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. UbiSoft China rewrote(hacked mostly) the graphics engine of Splinter Cell to work on PS2/GC. These same people are working on Pandora Tomorrow, which probably explains the "mainstreamed" difficulty level(they did the samething to the PS2/GC ports). They think PS2/GC players don't want a difficult game. They can't have different difficulties for each system, so they are going to equalize the Xbox version with the PS2/GC. Sometimes I'm not exactly sure if it was there plan to do all of this, because they had a team of Japanese developers that are more familiar with the PS2 to help them out(did they ruin the game?).

Sure if they were starting from scratch, they might think of equalizing the graphics on all versions, such as MI:OS. If they already made the graphics engine, why would they dumb it down so it looks the same on all versions? Notice all the screenshots released are of the Xbox version. I'm sure by releasing it on all systems suggests the fact that the game design, and all levels will be the same. But the graphics will definitely be different. The PS2/GC versions will always be known as dumbed down ports of the original game, just this time, they won't change the game around.

Xenethyl, that isn't the case. It depends on if the developer decides to change the game for each system's capabilities. Most of the time they just port it over not increasing quality at all. The only thing you are guaranteed to get on a PC is a higher resolution, which means you have to play on a PC monitor. It is also not being selfish to just have an Xbox version and then later port it to PS2/GC. Sadly, because they are porting the Xbox version to the PS2/GC at the same time, we are losing a bunch of potential with better game play because PS2/GC players are too "mainstream".

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 01:23 AM
Again, I never said they should make this game just for XBOX... That would be unfair to other gamers....

I just wish that they don't port the game like many other developers and have many teams working with them, using each console to it's Fullest capability. People should not suffer because some consoles are not as good...

Same case for GTA.... The games are now NEED MORE POWER than what the PS2 is giving, and I think it's wrong for Xbox, and PC players to have to suffer due to this, games should be made for all the NEXT GEN consoles, but they should look the best they can for each system. Developers should not just port it straight and not put little tweeks and things that help make it better if u will be more powerfull...

There is a reason why DOOM III, and HALF-LIFE II are not comming to PS2 and Gamecube, but are comming to XBOX.
Xbox can offer more, and I just feel that power should be used more Often.

Splinter Cell looked better on the Xbox last time, and I just hope they don't port it and make it look "PS2ish" but should still make it look the best it can be. (THE GAME SHOULD BE MADE FOR THE BEST SYSTEM THE TUNED DOWN FOR THE WEEKER ONES) and not just made to fit all (W/O BENIFITING FROM THE BEST) Splinter Cell 1, did a good job with that and i hope they do the same to the second one

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 09:14 PM
hey everybody i just wanna say this i dont care which version looked best, heres the bottom line. they are still selling more playstation1's than they are xbox or gamecubes. so, if there is going to be only one version released then it will be on ps2 think about it. around 70 million ps2's versus maybe 20 million xboxes and gamecubes combined lol! but that probably wont happen because releasing versions for everybody looks alot better for the company, provides jobs and helps pay for parking.

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 09:41 PM
Yes the part you said (THE MESSAGE, and not your Mr. I LOVE MY PS2 Even though it sux, stop makin fun)last is exactly how i feel, i don't want them to dumb it down @ all, which is why I have hoping the Xbox version would be released earlier, then other 2 a few months later just like the first one. If they dumb this down and port it the same on all systems I will sersiouly lose are respect for UBI... I was very pleased with what they did with the first one, but if they ruin this one by making XBOX players suffer with PS2 graphics then I think some people really need to be FIRED.
This will offend many but the Fact is:

The PS2 is out --> it's 2 old and obselete, the new good games are comming to either very supped up PCs or the XBOX, PS2 just step aside your hardware is slowing us all down. If sony wants to release a PS3 soon then by all means do because your current system is falling behind FAST.. the ps3 is not gonna hit shelfs till 2006 and personally I'm sick and tired of develepors making MULTIPLATFORM games that suck because of the lower quality and how the PS2 is holding Gamers BACK.





Message Edited on 12/18/0303:48PM by Mike28386

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 11:00 PM
go here: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/pandoratomorrow/preview_6085640.html

that will answer some of your questions.

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2003, 11:51 PM
Xenethyl, that isn't the case. It depends on if the developer decides to change the game for each system's capabilities. Most of the time they just port it over not increasing quality at all. The only thing you are guaranteed to get on a PC is a higher resolution, which means you have to play on a PC monitor. It is also not being selfish to just have an Xbox version and then later port it to PS2/GC. Sadly, because they are porting the Xbox version to the PS2/GC at the same time, we are losing a bunch of potential with better game play because PS2/GC players are too "mainstream".

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I disagree with you on many occasions. It does not depend on the developer's choice to optimize, or change, the game to suit every platform. You can have the same exact level in Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow running on all three main consoles and the Xbox version will look many times greater than the Playstation 2 and GameCube versions. Xbox has more power and a better graphics chipset and will thusly create a better gaming experience. Playing on your computer is also giving you many advantages over all three systems. In some places in every platform version of Splinter Cell you can notice FPS lag and or slow downs. If you put enough money into your computer you will not experience these problems. A computer monitor is better for the resolution, yes, but that is not the only reason computers are better for a graphic-intensive game like Splinter Cell. Computers are capable of using more memory, faster processors, and more advanced graphic technologies which are being updated every day. You will notice a significantly less amount of jagged edges or pixelated structures on a computer due to Anti-Aliasing and higher quality textures due to Anistropic Filtering. The various consoles have these technoligies, yes, but not to the same extent of a gaming based computer system. The computer version of a game will always be better than any other version, without any changes made to the game to specifically make it better for the computer, due to hardware upgrades and advanced capabilities that will provide you with a higher quality gaming experience, assuming that the company doesn't screw up the port of the game like Bungie did with Halo. Lastly, I didn't say it was selfish to create an Xbox version of a game and then later port it to the other consoles. I stated that it is selfish to expect a game deloper to create a game for only your system, especially after they have released they will be producing the game for every system.

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Message Edited on 12/18/0306:01PM by Xenethyl.

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2003, 12:53 AM
What ticks me off is that the games made for each system also play a big role in upcoming games. Sony is a known and respected company (anyone you know never heard of a playstation/2?) so the game companys think; "hey, everyone has a ps2, if we make a game for it, everyone will buy it!" so they make a game for the ps2 and not for the xbox or they just port the game for all systems just to make a few bucks extra. even if many of the xbox owners get the game, they still dont make as much profit as they did from the ps2 version so theyd rather spend their time making ps2 games and trying to get good reviews for it to make even more money.
To the point; i am all for having different development teams for each system so that all gamers get their fair share and us xbox army can use the full potential of that Unreal Engine. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2003, 03:03 AM
I have to say I agree with Mike. The PS2 IS slowing everyone else down, because the hardware is way too outdated. The XBOX is the only true console with any REAL power or room for optimization. Now, if sony wants to release the PS3 in May or June of 2004, then that would be fine. But I must say that I firmly believe that Microsoft will come out with some sort of optimization for the XBOX to counter anything that Sony can dish out. This is solely because Microsoft has more capability, funding, and time to make something for people to put into their XBOX and make it better (or a whole new XBOX, but that is not something I would advise, for anyone that may work at Microsoft, due to expense and such). Anyway, I only own an XBOX, but I have played all of the other systems out there and I did a TON of research before I bought my XBOX, just so that I would be getting the best. Anyway, I want to reiterate so there is no misconception: I said, "Xbox is the best CONSOLE, not the best gaming system, since, until Microsoft can make XBOX more powerful than computer, computer will be better (IF you have the NEWEST, stuff).

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2003, 12:39 PM
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The Consoles will never be as powerfull as a PC since upgrades come out every month.... the thing is one can pay $300 on a new console when it comes out and keep if for 2-4 years until the next one comes out, or they can keep upgrading they PC every few months with a $400 Video card, and more RAM. The consoles seem like a better investment.

The Xbox has been out for 2 years, and it can still handle DOOM III, and HalfLife 2, equally as good as the PC (EXCEPT FOR SCRN RESOLUTION)... which is amazing because no computer purchased 2 years ago would be able to handle these games at top preformance. PS2 and Gamecube on the other hand, have not chance @ being able to run theses games.

I feel that those other consoles are hurting the gamming industry because developers can't make new games that can really change things for gamming as we know it. This is why it trully thank ID software, and Sierra for realeasing their TOP NOTCH games for the consoles even if it is only for the XBOX, maybe the other consoles will the get the message and upgrade.

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2003, 02:43 PM
They can still release all copies at the same time and have the PS2/GC version dumbed down, which is exactly what I think they will do.

Explain to me how the Xbox version will be more optimized just because it's released on that system. It will only be if the developers make use of it's technology. They have rewrote the graphics engine for the PS2/GC port. Once again, if they implement AA will it work, AA doesn't even work in the PC version, I don't see your point. If anything it has even more jaggies than the Xbox version.

If the game doesn't actually WORK at all, like Splinter Cell's real time shadows DO NOT work on PS2/GC because of their power. Why make a hacked version to where players won't experience how the game was meant to be?

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XyZspineZyX
12-20-2003, 01:43 AM
I really don't want to come across as being rude but you just don't realize the power in a computer. A computer beats all three systems combined and always will. You can't continually upgrade the amount of memory, graphics card, or processor in your Xbox, Playstation 2, or GameCube. Anti-Aliasing does in fact work on the PC despite the lighting complications resulting from it. You can tell that there are a significantly less amount of jagged edges on the computer than on an Xbox. How can you say an Xbox would look better anyways? The Xbox runs at 640x480 whereas you can have your PC version running at 1600x1200. I also do not understand how you can think that a game will not look better on the Xbox over the other versions without optimization specifically for it. The fact of the matter is that the Xbox is far more powerful than the other systems and thusly can produce higher quality and faster rendering images. It all comes down to the hardware specifications.

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XyZspineZyX
12-20-2003, 05:53 PM
That's fine, and trust me I understand how powerfull the Computer is. The problem with that is that one will have to keep on upgrading because the way the hardware is released. ATI and Nvidia have the power with some time in development to make a video card that would come out in a year. But due to marketing they improve slower, and release many more products, this results in many more people bying there hardware, instead of just getting the newest ones (it's sells more if people by stuff peice by peice)... they make many more products than they really have to, because of the fanatics that are willing to spend the money to keep their PC up 2 speed. Most people cannot afford that much on upgrading so that the games run very smoothly. Which is why the xbox in general is a better investment as a gaming system. The Pc though more powerfull for some, will cost much more money to keep that good for long periods of time, while the xbox on the other hand, you pay $300 once and it works very well for 3 years, if one were 2 keep there computer up to date for that long you would spend thousands.

XyZspineZyX
12-20-2003, 06:34 PM
w/e i have xbox. dont complain. the people with other systems would be left out.



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XyZspineZyX
12-22-2003, 04:25 AM
no its obvious that the pc version with a good graphix card will look the best since the game is made on a computer and is going to be limited by the computer they are testing plus all the games i see on xbox vs pc my pc beat hands down plus

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XyZspineZyX
12-23-2003, 01:49 PM
PEOPLE PEOPLE.... For the last time, I am NOT saying that is thould be an XBOX Exclusive, I'm only saying that I am hoping different teams would work on each version, so that it does not get ported from the weaker systems. So that the xbox version does not look as bad as the PS2 version, instead I want all systems to get it, but each with it's own advantage.

Yes the PC will look better if it is Suped up, but most people don't have a 2.4 Gb 64 bit Processor, G-force FX or ATI Radieon 9800 pro, and min of 512mb Ram.... and that is why for the average player it will look best on XBOX. Besides when I played dit for PC the controls were annoying. I guess one gets used to them, but i felt that the layout was much more simple on the consoles, because of the sentivity (how fast you walk on the PC had to be controled by bottons or the scrolling wheel :'-( )

XyZspineZyX
12-23-2003, 01:57 PM
I agree with Mike28386.....

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XyZspineZyX
12-23-2003, 02:23 PM
Play whichever system you prefer, each system has advantages that others don't, and contrary to popular believe pc gaming isn't always the best route.


I understood the original intent and post of this thread, but it's meaning has been lost, and this thread has moved into the "my system is better than yours" idiocy, and as such I will be locking this thread.

If the devs were going to see it, they would have by now, so it's purpose will have been served.



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