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king-hailz
11-16-2014, 12:47 AM
I will start this theory with why I think this will happen and also a little question. Ok so when playing assassins creed unity we have that mission to go into the kings office and we see napoleon. Well I'll show you...

Skip to 5:30

http://youtu.be/GZ5amJ3F1ks

Napoleon finds a box that has something glowing inside! Probably the apple. Or some other price of Eden!

(Is this the box from rogue and embers? What happens to the box in rogue?)

Now what I think will happen also had to do with the real history of Napoleon. When he was emperor of France he was asked to join the freemasons, and this is what happened:


In their report, these gentlemen declared that the Free Masons were the successors of the Templars ; that the ultimate object of the members was the restoration of the Order of the Temple, that all their allegories related to the death of Jacques De Molay, that the vengeance alluded to in the Elu degrees and in Kadosh was that which the Templars formerly swore to execute upon King Philip the Fair, the destroyer of the Order, and upon his successors, but this vengeance was accomplished by the accession of Napoleon to the imperial throne.
"Bonaparte, upon reading this memoir, was enchanted with an explanation so re-assuring. He determined to protect the Freemasons, he gave them his brother, then King of Spain, for Grand Master, and Cambaceres was named Grand Master Adjunct.

So this all links together.

However Napoleons brother was put as king of Spain which in turn is the reason the peninsular war started with many battles in Spanish cities like Valencia and Barcelona.

I think this is a pretty clear indication.

Also this is just some other stuff I want to show... This is why Spain would have the perfect cities for an AC game in terms of architecture.


http://youtu.be/GkWLvpNUQ_0

http://youtu.be/9pfEQCBAP-Q

http://youtu.be/CsSJIKOTr3E

As you can see it has architecture styles from all the AC games we have had so far.

Medieval style (AC1)
Renaissance style (AC2)
Mediterranean style (ACR)
Gothic Style (ACU)

I think it would be absolutely perfect! My favorite city would be valencia!

What do you think!?

rprkjj
11-16-2014, 01:06 AM
Wouldn't be against it, but the Napoleonic wars open so up so much potential for an Arno sequel in other great places as well.

ze_topazio
11-16-2014, 01:19 AM
Include Portugal on that too and I'm game, after all the peninsular war started because Napoleon ordered the invasion of Portugal, and the French managed to take over Lisbon for several months but when they were finally kicked out from the country back in to Spain, the soldiers unleashed their anger on the Spanish civilians and things escalated from there and soon Spain was part of the war too, after that the French invaded Portugal two more times and of course their conquest ambitions were denied.

king-hailz
11-16-2014, 01:19 AM
Wouldn't be against it, but the Napoleonic wars open so up so much potential for an Arno sequel in other great places as well.

Yes true but this also relates for the overall story. And to be honest I don't want an arno sequel... and I don't think many people would...

JustPlainQuirky
11-16-2014, 01:20 AM
I hate misleading titles.

king-hailz
11-16-2014, 01:21 AM
Include Portugal on that too and I'm game, after all the peninsular war started because Napoleon ordered the invasion of Portugal, and the French managed to take over Lisbon for several months but when they were finally kicked out from the country back in to Spain, the soldiers unleashed their anger on the Spanish civilians and things escalated from there and soon Spain was part of the war too, after that the French invaded Portugal two more times and of course their conquest ambitions were denied.

Yes and apparently Lisbon makes an appearance in rogue... also if you have played rogue could you tell me what happened to the box?

ze_topazio
11-16-2014, 01:23 AM
I haven't finished Rogue yet, I haven't even reached the segment of Lisbon, Shay is still 100% Assassin, I still have a long way before reaching the end.

Rugterwyper32
11-16-2014, 01:27 AM
I've been saying Spain would be good for a while now. And while I'd prefer something during the Reconquista (specially because of Cordoba) a Peninsular War game would be great, and you could easily add in some of Portugal either. Lisbon could be interesting, with how the situation was there after the Portuguese Royalty fled to Brazil, or you could have Porto, which was the site for two battles. As for Spain, other cities that could work besides the ones you mentioned are Cadiz, Sevilla and Zaragoza.
Either way, it would be fantastic.
Very nice find, though! Haven't played the game yet but I decided a few spoilers wouldn't be too bad if we're talking about the Iberian Peninsula.

F3nix013
11-16-2014, 02:23 AM
I think Nazi Germany would be great. And it makes sense because HItler had a fascination with the Occult so that would play perfectly.

ze_topazio
11-16-2014, 04:25 AM
Quoting myself from a different thread.


Time for some Spain

Barcelona 1855 http://i.imgur.com/mQXV2.jpg Segovia 1855 http://i.imgur.com/mQIGu.jpg Málaga 1855 http://i.imgur.com/vuObq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gupwj.jpg Toledo 1855 http://i.imgur.com/3lnMg.jpg Cádiz 1855 http://i.imgur.com/QlP7R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PzkUY.jpg El Escorial (in Madrid) 1855 http://i.imgur.com/xf4Rg.jpg Madrid 1750 http://artedemadrid.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/joli150-copia4.jpg Madrid 1830 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qz5ahLYZ0r0/TP1Ax2pqCXI/AAAAAAAAAdo/-2TX3xC2j6Y/s1600/Madrid+1830.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5N49ouYiYNA/T9GJ8LtdwNI/AAAAAAAAOu0/rSzrHdxuvB8/s640/IMG_8635.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-s0PwtVlZXgY/T9GJ8qFpc_I/AAAAAAAAOvU/EEtp6ZZyeAc/s640/IMG_8645.JPG http://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCMedios/noticias/2006/10_Octubre/03/Files/SOF%C3%8DA%20MEN%C3%89ND.JPG https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8525682286_4b3562663e_n.jpg https://artedemadrid.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/maqueta-de-madrid.jpg Valencia 1832 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Val%C3%A8ncia_el_1832,_per_A._Guesdon.jpg

VestigialLlama4
11-16-2014, 04:32 AM
I will start this theory with why I think this will happen and also a little question. Ok so when playing assassins creed unity we have that mission to go into the kings office and we see napoleon. Well I'll show you...

Skip to 5:30

http://youtu.be/GZ5amJ3F1ks

Napoleon finds a box that has something glowing inside! Probably the apple. Or some other price of Eden!

(Is this the box from rogue and embers? What happens to the box in rogue?)

Now what I think will happen also had to do with the real history of Napoleon. When he was emperor of France he was asked to join the freemasons, and this is what happened:



So this all links together.

However Napoleons brother was put as king of Spain which in turn is the reason the peninsular war started with many battles in Spanish cities like Valencia and Barcelona.

I think this is a pretty clear indication.

Also this is just some other stuff I want to show... This is why Spain would have the perfect cities for an AC game in terms of architecture.


http://youtu.be/GkWLvpNUQ_0

http://youtu.be/9pfEQCBAP-Q

http://youtu.be/CsSJIKOTr3E

As you can see it has architecture styles from all the AC games we have had so far.

Medieval style (AC1)
Renaissance style (AC2)
Mediterranean style (ACR)
Gothic Style (ACU)

I think it would be absolutely perfect! My favorite city would be valencia!

What do you think!?

I personally think they should visit Spain for a reason other than because Napoleon was passing by and he invaded it. The architectural beauty is great, but they could visit the Spain during Cervantes' time or Al-Andalus during the reign of the Moors. Those were Spain's golden ages and that should be what is covered.

I don't think the Peninsular War is really a great AC location. In fact, I don't know how they'll work the Napoleonic Wars since it covered the entire continent of Europe.


What I think they will do is go to Egypt, Napoleon's invasion to Egypt also gives great architecture, it was also a bloody spectacular mess, it had naval battles as well, and the Egyptian event directly precedes Napoleon becoming France's dictator.

DumbGamerTag94
11-16-2014, 04:53 AM
Idk I was really hoping that if they did a Napoleonic Wars game it would be in Germany, Austria, or Russia. Or any combination of them.

I mean Spain is beautiful and all and there's a ton of cool history there. I'm not against it.

I just feel like we've already had a lot of the Mediterranean feel in the Ezio Trilogy, not that it's the same but it just feels kind of simmilar. While German/Austrian/and particularly Russian architecture/culture would be new and refreshing.

Also the area most people think of when you mention the Napoleonic Wars is the more iconic theaters of central and Eastern Europe not so much the Peninsular War. Central and Eastern Europe have many of the iconic places and battles of the Napoleonic Era. Berlin, Vienna, Moscow, battle of Leipzig, battle of Austerlitz, The retreat from Russia, Waterloo, etc etc.

Personally I just feel the Central European and Eastern European theaters are much more deserving of representing the Napoleonic Wars in an AC game. The Peninsular War would make for a kick *** DLC for that game though I must say. But as far as iconography, fame, and popular association with the Napoleonic Wars I would say to look east of France rather than west.

And I'm saying this as an American. Many people here don't even know what the Peninsular War is and definately wouldn't automatically associate it with the Napoleonic Wars. But if you mention Waterloo, The capture of Berlin, Leipzig, and the Retreat from Moscow. Many Americans associate those with the Napoleonic Era(which is an era not heavily taught here). And I'm sure it's simmilar for other non European countries. The Peninsular War is just not very well known outside of Europe.

king-hailz
11-16-2014, 08:46 AM
Idk I was really hoping that if they did a Napoleonic Wars game it would be in Germany, Austria, or Russia. Or any combination of them.

I mean Spain is beautiful and all and there's a ton of cool history there. I'm not against it.

I just feel like we've already had a lot of the Mediterranean feel in the Ezio Trilogy, not that it's the same but it just feels kind of simmilar. While German/Austrian/and particularly Russian architecture/culture would be new and refreshing.

Also the area most people think of when you mention the Napoleonic Wars is the more iconic theaters of central and Eastern Europe not so much the Peninsular War. Central and Eastern Europe have many of the iconic places and battles of the Napoleonic Era. Berlin, Vienna, Moscow, battle of Leipzig, battle of Austerlitz, The retreat from Russia, Waterloo, etc etc.

Personally I just feel the Central European and Eastern European theaters are much more deserving of representing the Napoleonic Wars in an AC game. The Peninsular War would make for a kick *** DLC for that game though I must say. But as far as iconography, fame, and popular association with the Napoleonic Wars I would say to look east of France rather than west.

And I'm saying this as an American. Many people here don't even know what the Peninsular War is and definately wouldn't automatically associate it with the Napoleonic Wars. But if you mention Waterloo, The capture of Berlin, Leipzig, and the Retreat from Moscow. Many Americans associate those with the Napoleonic Era(which is an era not heavily taught here). And I'm sure it's simmilar for other non European countries. The Peninsular War is just not very well known outside of Europe.

And to be honest I like that... I liked how ACR was done... I never really know about that. I still thought it was amazing!

king-hailz
11-16-2014, 08:52 AM
I personally think they should visit Spain for a reason other than because Napoleon was passing by and he invaded it. The architectural beauty is great, but they could visit the Spain during Cervantes' time or Al-Andalus during the reign of the Moors. Those were Spain's golden ages and that should be what is covered.

I don't think the Peninsular War is really a great AC location. In fact, I don't know how they'll work the Napoleonic Wars since it covered the entire continent of Europe.


What I think they will do is go to Egypt, Napoleon's invasion to Egypt also gives great architecture, it was also a bloody spectacular mess, it had naval battles as well, and the Egyptian event directly precedes Napoleon becoming France's dictator.

The problem with doing that is that most if not all of the major landmarks won't be there at that time....

I also think it will be that because of the templars... I mean the freemasons basically said that they are the templars reborn and napoleons brother was put as the grandmaster and the king of Spain! But your right Spain does have lots of other history however I personally think for an AC game this is a perfect time. Game play wise as well because if it was too early they would get rid of the gun mechanic... also if you look at the buildings in Barcelona in the got hic quarter they look nearly identical to those in unity so it will be easy for them to re use assets and stuff which they like doing....

The_Kiwi_
11-16-2014, 11:04 AM
I hate misleading titles.

Oh Mayo :rolleyes:

AC needs to stay away from the 19th/18th century, 1300s would be great.

king-hailz
11-16-2014, 02:56 PM
Oh Mayo :rolleyes:

AC needs to stay away from the 19th/18th century, 1300s would be great.

I would rather that happen as well... However! They are already there and it's best to take the best things they can... also stains architecture was at its highest point during this period...