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Hades_Dragon
08-02-2004, 04:30 PM
I've been hearing allot of talk about Hellcats, Corsairs, Zeros, etc. but lately everyone has seem to forgotten about that twin engine fighter we all know and love, the P-38 Lightning.

http://dbusso.typepad.com/vintagemotors/p38_lightning-thumb.jpg
http://www.menet.umn.edu/~mlr/pix-html/Pix/US/Fighters/P38/Lightning.jpg

http://www.spitcrazy.com/Lockheedp-38.jpg

http://www.ethell.com/jethell/jeffethell/p38_ocean.jpg

http://www.betterimage.com/p38-1.jpg

Hades_Dragon
08-02-2004, 04:30 PM
I've been hearing allot of talk about Hellcats, Corsairs, Zeros, etc. but lately everyone has seem to forgotten about that twin engine fighter we all know and love, the P-38 Lightning.

http://dbusso.typepad.com/vintagemotors/p38_lightning-thumb.jpg
http://www.menet.umn.edu/~mlr/pix-html/Pix/US/Fighters/P38/Lightning.jpg

http://www.spitcrazy.com/Lockheedp-38.jpg

http://www.ethell.com/jethell/jeffethell/p38_ocean.jpg

http://www.betterimage.com/p38-1.jpg

Yellonet
08-02-2004, 04:52 PM
Very nice pics indeed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


- Yellonet

JG53Frankyboy
08-02-2004, 04:58 PM
as one of the most important planes of the pacific war its ssure not forgotten , it still were a lot of discussions already because its already in AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

but , hopefully there will be some earlier versions than the P-38J in PF

Bull_dog_
08-02-2004, 06:16 PM
Not the F, G and H model...I sure hope we get an F or G model for Hendersen and New Guinea!

The sim won't be complete without one....I would fly the J model, but I'll feel like I'm cheating even though there won't be too much difference in handling and just a little slower.

I'm thinking a properly modelled F or G model lightning that could do 400 or whatever mph will rule a 1942 server!

JG53Frankyboy
08-02-2004, 06:47 PM
yep, perhaps only a well flown Ki-44-II "Tojo" can give you a little bit to think about - but only perhaps ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

heywooood
08-03-2004, 10:54 PM
how about giving us the first one to fly....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/XP-38-orig.jpg

is that beautiful or what!!! Kelly Johnson was a friggin' GENIUS

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/ac_32_1.jpg
"Check your guns"

[This message was edited by heywooood on Tue August 03 2004 at 10:10 PM.]

actionhank1786
08-04-2004, 12:19 AM
I just wet my pants thinking about this. Picture yourself taking off, flying cover for Richard Bong on the mission he finally achieved Ace status on, hell imagine flying as the man himself. Or think of flying the mission to shoot down Yamamoto.
God the P-38 is so adorable
I've gotta find someone willing to sell me one...for free http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Actionhank
~Aaron White

actionhank1786
08-04-2004, 12:20 AM
Also i noticed, looking at those pictures, is that just a .50cal where the Center 20mm Cannon goes?

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Actionhank
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PlaneEater
08-04-2004, 01:46 AM
Probably. It's hard enough for civilian warbird groups to get deactivated .50 cal barrels for their aircraft. A civlian organization trying to get a de-milled 20mm Hispano is like a deaf conductor trying to put together a marching band of male harp players.

MEGILE
08-04-2004, 04:34 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

http://www.5thairforce.com/e107_files/public/p51purplej.jpg

Tater-SW-
08-04-2004, 07:31 AM
Yeah, well next time I have 1.5-1.8 million bucks to throw at a warbird I'll definitely hold the money line at paying a machinist a couple hundred bucks to tool me up a rod with a 20mm hole down the middle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

ZG77_Nagual
08-04-2004, 08:07 AM
I think it was the 'F' that had the best turn of the 38s. I'm sure we'll see the earlier variants in PF.

JG53Frankyboy
08-04-2004, 08:11 AM
weel , actually i wouldnt think about any turn facing a japanese fighter in a P-38 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fliger747
08-04-2004, 11:10 AM
Somthing to think about......

You P-38 drivers will need to PRACTICE those engine out emergencies. RUDDER pedals are a big help here! As was typical of most twins of the era, VMCA (minimum control speed with full power whilst airborn) is well above the normal approach and landing speed. If you puke one on takeoff (twice as likely as in a single) you will "setdown" straight ahead unless you have already accelerated above VMCA. This value will depend on altitude and temperature and how tired you engines are, but 140 kts. might be a reasonable value to start with. A multi throttle quadrant would be very usefull as well for manuver on the ground and some interesting aerial manuver as well.

Bong, as sucessfull as he was, has been accused of being a "one trick pony" as he used the dive, shoot and scoot almost exclusively. Of course it could be said that was the most intelligent way to optimize the use of that aircraft.

Bull_dog_
08-04-2004, 11:35 AM
I'd like to see the F model and few little tweaks to the FM as well...there isn't anything really bad about the current model, but it should still handle better at low speed, hang on its prop better/stall climb better and I think the controls at high speed stiffen too much...you should still have elevator authority up to the point of compressibility...

the aircraft was a B&Z/energy aircraft and without the torqueless handling in slow speed stall climbing and the ability to hit your opponent at high speed, the aircraft cant properly be used in this sim.

Anyone ever read "New Guinea Skies"? A book about a little known P-38 pilot who scored a couple of kills...he dipicts his first kill as a high speed dive over 500mph (no dive breaks). The aircraft's controls were heavy, but they were in thick air so there was no compressibility or fear of it.

Anyways, the P-38 is one of my favorite birds and I think it is a few tweaks away from being awesome...hope Oleg keeps tuning the FM, but I'm not sure he sees any opportunity or need.

ElAurens
08-04-2004, 11:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
yep, perhaps only a well flown Ki-44-II "Tojo" can give you a little bit to think about - but only perhaps ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ki 61 was also mildly successful against the P38 as well.

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jpatrick62
08-05-2004, 12:20 PM
For those pilots who mastered B&Z tactics, the P38 was a heck of a machine.

EmbarkChief
08-05-2004, 12:33 PM
It might be right, just hard to tell. Remember, there is only a 7.3mm difference between the two. Take a close look, the middle one seems just a little bigger, as it should be.