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bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 07:03 AM
I love both PC AND Consoles, but since the arrival of the 360 / PS3 generation almost 10 years ago, the gaming industry has dropped in standards and will continue to do so for the love of GREED.

Small re-hashed gaming models designed to sell to the MASS SHEEP POPULATION and make SHARE HOLDERS RICH.

Pre-Order's arrived on the scene because games were being sold out in stores and being claimed to be out of stock.

This was not true but simply the first step in brainwashing all you sheep out there into the "preorder" model.

First step, limit the number of copies available to the consumer, causing people to miss out and wait, hence panicking on the next release while the publisher bangs on that all you have to do is go to your local store and pre order the game and you will be sweet.

I don't know about you, but I haven't seen a game store run out of a copy of a new release game since the first year of the 360.....EVER (No exaggeration).

So okay you say, I'm going to take the game back blah blah, "F@#K" Ubisoft...blah blah.

All cool, you bent over for Ubi - soft while they dry humped you, you didn't like it, so you take the game back so then they can dry hump the game store.

Don't think for ONE SECOND are you hurting Ubi-soft because the got all your PRE ORDER money LONG AGO from you SHEEPLE through the stores, hence why they half *** the last 6 months of work like EVERY company is starting to do.

STOP GOD DAMN PRE ORDERING!

All you do is ENABLE these companies to continually bend you over while they spend your money laughing their god damn asses of at all of you coming to cry about buying a half finished game.

Well guess what genus's, you agreed to buying a half finished product when you agreed to pay for a product which was A) Still in production, and B) You never saw working IN FRONT OF YOU.

I would put a YEAR'S paycheck that in the agreement to install the game NO WHERE does it say they will GUARANTEE you will receive a finished product... EVER.

I promise you these guys, and every other Publisher out there is laughing their *** off at how easy it is to make money.

They don't even need to pay QA anymore these days.

This crap will stop ONLY when people STOP PRE ORDERING.

RANT OVER.

RobertMcSassin
11-15-2014, 07:17 AM
*Geniuses

I kinda agree...Sort of...I pre-ordered so that I would have it on the day of release...We expect- well, we should expect a finished product at the time of release...

However, I didn't do it because of any love for Ubisoft particularly...Simply so that I didn't have to waste time - or take a day off - going into the nearest city to get something that the shops don't sell - the boxed set...

Yes, I could have waited for these, I have no intention of playing until some of these issues are fixed...But I won't be told I've bent over and taken a dry hump from Ubisoft, when all I did was save my time and made life easy for me...Sorry, ta...

X_xWolverinEx_X
11-15-2014, 07:18 AM
oh boho do you need your diaper changed

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 07:28 AM
oh boho do you need your diaper changed


Get a new hobby mate because trolling isn't your thing.

X_xWolverinEx_X
11-15-2014, 07:33 AM
Get a new hobby mate because trolling isn't your thing.

i am no child

LooseKiD187
11-15-2014, 07:38 AM
says the guy Whinging about Pre Orders, dont like it, dont pre order. u cant control the world bud. Pre orders are here, and will be forever. i remembered pre Ordering San Andreas on ps2. its not exactly a "new thing" from last gen.

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 07:41 AM
*Geniuses

I kinda agree...Sort of...I pre-ordered so that I would have it on the day of release...We expect- well, we should expect a finished product at the time of release...

However, I didn't do it because of any love for Ubisoft particularly...Simply so that I didn't have to waste time - or take a day off - going into the nearest city to get something that the shops don't sell - the boxed set...

Yes, I could have waited for these, I have no intention of playing until some of these issues are fixed...But I won't be told I've bent over and taken a dry hump from Ubisoft, when all I did was save my time and made life easy for me...Sorry, ta...

Sorry dude but you just MASSIVELY contradicted yourself.

By saying you won't be playing until they fixed it is ADMITTING you are content if not happy to pay for broken product as long as they "fix it soon" so I can play it mentality.

Would you buy ANY OTHER product in the world and be content with a broken item, then told hey don't worry, you are welcome to try and find and tell us the problems,(You know, doing our job for us) but in the meantime we are "Working on it".

That is EXACTLY what you have done by PAYING for the game BEFORE it's finished and presented.

You THINK you saved your self time and get to play it on DAY ONE(as was a part of your argument) then contradict yourself completely by then saying you have no intention of playing until the bugs are fixed

So those few hours "saved" not driving to the city costs days of unplayable broken game while waiting for Ubisoft to "get around to fixing it".

Maybe a more simple way of putting it is this, "Only a moron would hand over money for something they do not know works correctly in the first place".

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 07:56 AM
says the guy Whinging about Pre Orders, dont like it, dont pre order. u cant control the world bud. Pre orders are here, and will be forever. i remembered pre Ordering San Andreas on ps2. its not exactly a "new thing" from last gen.

What do you mean "says the guy whinging about pre orders"

For starters this comment makes NO SENSE at all.

Secondly, I was pointing out that gaming in general (pretty graphics don't MAKE gaming) has gone DOWN HILL since consoles went ONLINE. (Yes I know the Gen before the 360 / ps3 had internet capabilities but the bandwidth made that a fail).

If you are not intelligent enough to understand what I am saying, and actually respond with an intelligent response, but what am I saying, you think this cannot be changed therefore you are just another sheep.

One person can't change it, but all of you pulled your heads out your *** and NO ONE pre ordered, they would not exist, and the companies WOULD have to present a finished and polished product.

You keep paying full price for a half finished game bro, good for you, Ill pay half for a FULL finished game when they finish patching 6 months worth of crap like the rest of the titles on the market at the moment.

Your loss not mine.

pirate1802
11-15-2014, 07:56 AM
Nah, what needs to happen is people need to research games better before preordering and avoid impulsive buying.

I do preorder games and will continue so, but only the games I'm completely convinced about what I'm getting. Anyway I'm not a massive buyer and buy 2-3 games a year maximum. So I buy the ones I'm absolutely sure about. I preordered borderlands the pre-sequel and don't regret it. Preordered Black Flag last year and didn't regret it either. I didn't preorder Unity because something seemed off about it to me, and Rogue well, Rogue seemed like a dlc from the beginning. I might buy them some time in the future, when they're patched etc.

Preordering is a way to get one's anticipated games without delay and yes it involves risk (which is why one must be sure to find out about the game), but don't go on blaming horse racing just because you decided to bet on the wrong horse, brah.

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 08:01 AM
Nah, what needs to happen is people need to research games better before preordering and avoid impulsive buying.

I do preorder games and will continue so, but only the games I'm completely convinced about what I'm getting. Anyway I'm not a massive buyer and buy 2-3 games a year maximum. So I buy the ones I'm absolutely sure about. I preordered borderlands the pre-sequel and don't regret it. Preordered Black Flag last year and didn't regret it either. I didn't preorder Unity because something seemed off about it to me, and Rogue well, Rogue seemed like a dlc from the beginning. I might buy them some time in the future, when they're patched etc.

Preordering is a way to get one's anticipated games without delay and yes it involves risk (which is why one must be sure to find out about the game), but don't go on blaming horse racing just because you decided to bet on the wrong horse, brah.

So your location says Ubisoft, and you only PRE-ORDER Ubisoft games.

Something seems "off" about your post.

You worded it wrong.

Pre ordering is one's way of FORCING a rushed product because the publisher doesn't want the "backlash" (better known as the "Im so ENTITLED" syndrome) about the game being pushed back to be fixed by, you guessed it, the same people throwing money at them for something that "technically" doesn't even exist.

Can someone come back with a real argument that does not contradict itself?

P.S. You do know Ubisoft gave all the pre order fan boys a big kick in the teeth by releasing EVERY copy with the "30 minutes" extra game play for "pre ordering".

Hook,line and sinker.

LooseKiD187
11-15-2014, 08:10 AM
BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAA

yep thats me, the blackest sheep in the field bud, and i couldnt be enjoy life any better, Sure everyone has an opinion, everyone is entitled to let the world know what that opinion is... AANNDD just like everyone else, they get Flooded with Other peoples opinions, it may seem like a Pretty vicious Circle, but its life. you have an Opinion, and you copping some slack, did you exepct anything less? did you honeslty think EVERYONE would agree and the wold would suddenly be a BETTER Place in your OWN eyes??

as Pirate said, if people did research on a game, they would know, i didnt pre order Unity i just brought the game at the midnight release, i pre orderd GTAV on Xbox 360 and have again on PS4 along with Far cry 4, all coming out in 3 days, i know they may be issues, but at lest ill have fun playing single player. no everything is about online. well for now its not, but soon that will change.

RzaRecta357
11-15-2014, 08:22 AM
I didn't read anything you said.

I enjoy AC games. I friggin LOVE this game the more I play. I wanted to preload it. I can afford it. Go whine somewhere else because we really don't care for your teenage thoughts and if you're an adult... nevermind.

HorTyS
11-15-2014, 08:25 AM
Yeah, pre-ordering isn't what caused the game to have glitches (which I haven't encountered myself actually), it was Ubi's rush & insistence to get it out within a certain time-frame, a time-frame that needed a longer polish phase, clearly.To me, what makes pre-orders annoying is when I want what a specific retailer has and that retailer isn't the most convenient one to use to get the game. Thats the only thing I don't like about pre-orders. I pre-order games I know I'm going to get, because why wouldn't I? If I am going to get it, I might as well put some of the money for it down and get just a little extra, thats not an issue to me. But to suggest that AC:U and it's issues are a result of an industry wide marketing technique is lunacy.

Don't get me wrong, I've my fair share of complaints about AC:U. The combat is terrible IMO, and the removal or gating of franchise staple abilities is on the questionable side of design choices, but I'm not about to blame that on pre-orders...:rolleyes:

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 08:32 AM
BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAA

yep thats me, the blackest sheep in the field bud, and i couldnt be enjoy life any better, Sure everyone has an opinion, everyone is entitled to let the world know what that opinion is... AANNDD just like everyone else, they get Flooded with Other peoples opinions, it may seem like a Pretty vicious Circle, but its life. you have an Opinion, and you copping some slack, did you exepct anything less? did you honestly think EVERYONE would agree and the wold would suddenly be a BETTER Place in your OWN eyes??

as Pirate said, if people did research on a game, they would know, i didnt pre order Unity i just brought the game at the midnight release, i pre orderd GTAV on Xbox 360 and have again on PS4 along with Far cry 4, all coming out in 3 days, i know they may be issues, but at lest ill have fun playing single player. no everything is about online. well for now its not, but soon that will change.

Not once did I say people were not "entitled" to an opinion or a response (although I did point out an INTELLIGENT response rather than blatant "for the sake of it arguing" would be nice) but just that, in the responses I simply showed examples of their floored reasoning and contradictions made by their own arguments.

While people jump on the bandwagon pre ordering games for a "little extra content", day one play / pre-load or just to "have to have it when everyone else gets it" (Haven't seen ONE sensible reason to hand over money for a maybe as their is no "implied odds" therefore NO % risk vs reward of chance you will get a COMPLETE product) the publishers will continue to exploit the market.

It's not my fault all the pre order puppets are getting upset because the truth of their ignorance offends them , hence their need to try and justify to me why they need to pre order.

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 08:42 AM
Yeah, pre-ordering isn't what caused the game to have glitches (which I haven't encountered myself actually), it was Ubi's rush & insistence to get it out within a certain time-frame, a time-frame that needed a longer polish phase, clearly.To me, what makes pre-orders annoying is when I want what a specific retailer has and that retailer isn't the most convenient one to use to get the game. Thats the only thing I don't like about pre-orders. I pre-order games I know I'm going to get, because why wouldn't I? If I am going to get it, I might as well put some of the money for it down and get just a little extra, thats not an issue to me. But to suggest that AC:U and it's issues are a result of an industry wide marketing technique is lunacy.

Have you played a game in the last 10 YEARS that hasn't required UPDATES just to run CORRECTLY on DAY ONE?

I can't remember many.

What I DO KNOW is I never had to "update" a game in my life until the internet became mainstream for gaming, then the industry simply saw a way of becoming lazy, firstly patching games instead of making sure they were released RIGHT the first time.

PATCHING GAMES DIDN'T EXIST until internet gaming and didn't have to because the Industry actually gave a **** about the product being released.

If you think for ONE SECOND the suits behind these companies don't see when one publisher gets away with releasing GAME BREAKING bugged games on day one getting away with it because their costs are well and truly covered already by the "NAIVE" people who continually throw money at them, and know that all of you have been trained into thinking this should be normal practice when, in fact, in ANY OTHER INDUSTRY this would be MAL PRACTICE.

Im having fun here, next.

HorTyS
11-15-2014, 08:54 AM
Have you played a game in the last 10 YEARS that hasn't required UPDATES just to run CORRECTLY on DAY ONE?

I can't remember many.

What I DO KNOW is I never had to "update" a game in my life until the internet became mainstream for gaming, then the industry simply saw a way of becoming lazy, firstly patching games instead of making sure they were released RIGHT the first time.

PATCHING GAMES DIDN'T EXIST until internet gaming and didn't have to because the Industry actually gave a **** about the product being released.

If you think for ONE SECOND the suits behind these companies don't see when one publisher gets away with releasing GAME BREAKING bugged games on day one getting away with it because their costs are well and truly covered already by the "NAIVE" people who continually throw money at them, and know that all of you have been trained into thinking this should be normal practice when, in fact, in ANY OTHER INDUSTRY this would be MAL PRACTICE.

Im having fun here, next.

Nothing you just said right there has anything to do with pre-ordering, so... And honestly, not that I'm in anyway endorsing day one patches, but some games back in the day could've benefited from them, so, theres that....

bakedagainbro
11-15-2014, 09:01 AM
I didn't read anything you said.

I enjoy AC games. I friggin LOVE this game the more I play. I wanted to preload it. I can afford it. Go whine somewhere else because we really don't care for your teenage thoughts and if you're an adult... nevermind.

Fanboy? Troll? Both maybe?

Played EVERY AC game, and will this one too, so does it make you special that you like AC on an AC thread? VERY unlikely.

Most teenager's these days are not educated on my level, So I do believe you when you said you never read my post, but based by your direct, yet rather weak attempt at a personal insult (and rather LARGE fail) as a response and total lack of substance, it would lead most people to suspect you are the teenager here in this post.

The absolute atrocious butchering of the English language in your post would further lead to the suspicion that you may, in fact, not have even reached your teenage years, let alone puberty.

I can "afford" it too.

The difference is, I have the intelligence to know that releases have been gradually getting worse each year with so-called AAA titles ( to the point where some recent titles have been COMPLETELY broken and NOT PLAYABLE).

AAA titles should NEVER release with GAME BREAKING BUGS.

If you think this common business practice amongst the gaming / software industry is acceptable (when NO OTHER INDUSTRY ALLOWS THESE PRACTICES), you have proven my point for me.

X_xWolverinEx_X
11-15-2014, 10:16 AM
Have you played a game in the last 10 YEARS that hasn't required UPDATES just to run CORRECTLY on DAY ONE?

I can't remember many.

What I DO KNOW is I never had to "update" a game in my life until the internet became mainstream for gaming, then the industry simply saw a way of becoming lazy, firstly patching games instead of making sure they were released RIGHT the first time.

PATCHING GAMES DIDN'T EXIST until internet gaming and didn't have to because the Industry actually gave a **** about the product being released.

If you think for ONE SECOND the suits behind these companies don't see when one publisher gets away with releasing GAME BREAKING bugged games on day one getting away with it because their costs are well and truly covered already by the "NAIVE" people who continually throw money at them, and know that all of you have been trained into thinking this should be normal practice when, in fact, in ANY OTHER INDUSTRY this would be MAL PRACTICE.

Im having fun here, next.

gta sa

LooseKiD187
11-15-2014, 10:32 AM
gta sa

now this is the Best thing iv read all day

pirate1802
11-15-2014, 10:33 AM
So your location says Ubisoft,

I can change my location to shangrila, would you believe that too? haha


and you only PRE-ORDER Ubisoft games.

And how did you glean that? By how I mentioned preordering Unity and Rogue? Is Borderlands a ubisoft game in your books? lol


Something seems "off" about your post.

You caught me! We've got an internet detective here, folks.


Pre ordering is one's way of FORCING a rushed product because the publisher doesn't want the "backlash" (better known as the "Im so ENTITLED" syndrome) about the game being pushed back to be fixed by, you guessed it, the same people throwing money at them for something that "technically" doesn't even exist.

Yes, you're absolutely right. So how do you propose they solve it? You do know we live in a capitalist world right? Companies would do whatever they can to maximize profits, which means avoiding the 'entitled syndrome' backlash? Short of being the gaming Karl Marx, how do you propose to solve this problem, except for us being better aware consumers?


P.S. You do know Ubisoft gave all the pre order fan boys a big kick in the teeth by releasing EVERY copy with the "30 minutes" extra game play for "pre ordering".

Doesn't concern me, didn't preorder Unity. And I don't preorder games for the bonuses anyway. I do so that they don't go out of stock in a few minutes and leave me no choice but to but 'em digitally at inflated international prices.

Mr_Shade
11-15-2014, 11:03 AM
And lock.


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