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MiloMorai
01-15-2004, 11:29 PM
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about full real. It should be called full difficulty. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MiloMorai
01-15-2004, 11:29 PM
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about full real. It should be called full difficulty. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FullFlaps
01-15-2004, 11:47 PM
There you go.

ElfunkoI
01-15-2004, 11:59 PM
They really aren't full flaps. It's just a game. Unless you have flaps propped on your wall or something. Do you have an airplane wing on your wall? I have to ask because others would chastise me for not giving you the benifit of the doubt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LW_lcarp
01-16-2004, 04:56 AM
I like to call it Simulated Real. Cause if it was "full real" some of them would be coming home in a box

Rajvosa
01-16-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
I like to call it Simulated Real. Cause if it was "full real" some of them would be coming home in a box<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif LMAO!!!

It's absolutely true, when you think of it that way. But I guess that some of these "full real" guys have put so much effort into this game and money into their sticks, rudders, trackIr and everything else that they don't like when this game is actually called game. Full difficulty sounds very reasonable. Who came up with full real anyway?

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Recon_609IAP
01-16-2004, 05:30 AM
can we just change the brains of those that are too dense to figure out that 'full real' is 'full difficulty'...

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Rajvosa
01-16-2004, 05:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
can we just change the brains of those that are too dense to figure out that 'full real' is 'full difficulty'...

S!
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Rude, rude, boy! How can it be the same? Full difficulty means that it's quite diifcult to fly the plane, but if you crash, no big deal. Full real means you strap your self in a cockpit and go take your chances. If you crash, you die. Has anyone playing "full real" died yet?!? I didn't think so.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-16-2004, 05:37 AM
Absolutely, "Full Real" is a complete misnomer, unless you have a full motion simulator, multiple displays in 3D and a handlebar moustache. However, lets not turn this into a thread criticising how people prefer to fly FB. Lets just celebrate the choice and think of a new name for it, I'm fine with full difficulty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SSS

Recon_609IAP
01-16-2004, 05:44 AM
naw, not rude, just having fun mate.

But, I have some sarcasm in this because everyone makes such a big deal about full real, mostly those that don't fly it.

I say Full Real on HL and I've had an hour long discussion about how 'unrealistic' this game is, blah blah blah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Many people simply don't understand that 'full real' is a setting in the game, same as when I play a single player game and I select 'easy', 'normal' or 'hard' settings.

I've actually been sticking to online wars unless I host, mostly because all the popular dogfights have easy settings on and I don't find it as exciting. I call them the 'Crimson Skies' servers.

SpinSpinSugar - your post that relates the setting full real to realism is exactly what this post is referring too - lol. Why change the name anyway, it's pretty easy to figure out what full real is when you goto the difficulty screen, isn't it?

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Rajvosa
01-16-2004, 05:50 AM
You're absolutely right! This game ranges from simple arcade-style action to Flight Simulator-style navigation from point a-b. Thumbs up for those that have fully mastered this game! I'm just looking for a bit of fun before I go to bed. My wife thinks we can have more fun there. I agree with her. That is what I call FULL REAL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SpinSpinSugar
01-16-2004, 05:51 AM
VOW freak myself, Recon_609IAP, for the same reasons. Plus the squad interaction and statistics aspects. There are some good scripted DF servers out there though, Greater Green, etc.

"Full Difficulty" with speedbar on or off? I've been used to the speedbar as it's a feature in VOW but I'm now flying through Extreme_One and co.'s RAF campaign and having a blast without it.

Cheers, SSS

SeaFireLIV
01-16-2004, 05:59 AM
Come on... Does it matter?

What about `Instant Mission Success`? That`s a greater one for confusing people, most aren`t sure what that does. It doesn`t do what most people think.

How about `Complex Engine Management?` Is it really as complex as it sounds?

This is really just picking for nothing. Full real/ Full difficulty: It doesn`t matter. Most people understand.

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Rajvosa
01-16-2004, 06:05 AM
The bottom line is, games are supposed to make people have fun, right? As long as everyone is having fun, the game is a good one. If some settings feel to difficult, give your self some headroom. If you're killing everyone, than, perhaps you should increase difficulty. This game is like a violin, of sorts. The better you get, the more demanding it gets. Or, as Dirty Harry used to say:
The man's gotta know his limitations!

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AirBot
01-16-2004, 07:00 AM
Wow... This is like political correctness in the sim community... Lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I don't think anyone's ever claimed "Full Real" is just like real life. If I select the "Veteran" difficulty level in CoD, does it mean I'm a real WWII veteran?

RdTimeTheCharm
01-16-2004, 07:56 AM
Cockpit off

Oh man, its so difficult to fly since i dont see the gauges, ammo situation etc. Pls, let me keep it.

Icons on

If i use them i get bloody fixated on them and dont see the dots 15 km away, but instead my vision is reduced to iconrange.


Padlock on

Oh' man - dont even start. It gives me so bad fixation on juicy targets, its comparable to one i have towards the neighbours daughter.


Pls - let me have my difficulty settings low... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

General_Lee
01-16-2004, 08:08 AM
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Copperhead310th
01-16-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about _full real_. It should be called _full difficulty_. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said! Agree 100%. have said the exact same thing myself many times. IMO Best settings for FB Are:
Cockpit always on
Ext on
CEM on
Padlock on (for the poor guys that dont have Tir)
Speed bar on.
Minmap path on
minimap icons OFF
Player icons on
(limited to freindly only with default dot range)
lol i post more but late for work., lol ta ta

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Future-
01-16-2004, 08:41 AM
"Full Real" is truely not quite adequate...

Hm...

How about "as close to reality as a pc flight sim currently can get". That would be "a.c.t.r.a.a.p.f.s.c.c.g." in short.

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Imagine this: "Hey m8 what settings will you use tonight?" - "Oh well, I thought I'd go for a.c.t.r.a.a.p.f.s.c.c.g." - "W00T?"

S!

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XyZspineZyX
01-16-2004, 09:51 AM
Well, I agree that "full real" is a misnomer, and it's really "full difficulty". IL-2/FB has some real visual problems, and choosing the "no icon" route is akin to suggesting that the real pilots had cataracts.

Now, full icons on is pretty arcade...there needs to be some thought put into what constitutes a good, realistic icon setting that best approximates "trained WWII pilots with ideal vision". It's certainly not "friendly icons only", I'll tell ya that.

Anyway, realistic, as opposed to arcade, is the way to go for a *simulation fan* who's not afraid of the challenge. You can rationalize all you want about the arcade settings, your sense of fun, and your appointment with your wife in the boudoir all you want, but what it really comes down to is that the *gamers* who populate the "no cockpit, full icon, relaxed physics" servers are of a different breed, and different mindset than the sim fans. Vive la difference, as they say, but for my money, I'll fight it out with the sim fans.

LeadSpitter_
01-16-2004, 10:00 AM
enclosed in the canopy, not being able to use flyby and externals to check your six, no padlocking a plane you cant see on your screen in full gunsite zoom with you own eyes, but actually having to use manuever to see direct 6, using teamplay and tactics that work not more realistic then airquake, mass low alt turn fights

Of course it not full real having 50-80 pounds of stickpressure in dives, pilot fatigue, real world gravity unrecoverable stalls and flat spins however its the closest the game can do which can be improved but being theres more arcaders wont be

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LilHorse
01-16-2004, 10:11 AM
Rgr that, Stiglr. Call it whatever you want. "Full difficulty"? Fine. I LOVE IT!!! I love "full difficulty" The settings AND the name. LOL! It RRRRRRRRRRRRROCKS! Medium settings should then be called zippy-whizbango arcade-orama settings. Okay? Besides medium fans shouldn't get their nickers in a twist over this stuff since the majority of the rooms on HL use those settings. Hey, the market place speaks. Right? So you guys have fun on your plethora of servers and us full real...oh, sorry, full difficulty guys will just have to scrabble along on VEF or VOW. Tah-Tah!

widgeon
01-16-2004, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBot:
Wow... This is like political correctness in the sim community... Lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I don't think anyone's ever claimed "Full Real" is just like real life. If I select the "Veteran" difficulty level in CoD, does it mean I'm a real WWII veteran?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Exactly! Why are some so compelled to point out the fact that this is not real, when it seems quite obvious.

Or perhaps for some playing the sim is like an alternate reality. When they are plugged into the matrix, death in the matrix becomes reality.



Widgeon

Recon_609IAP
01-16-2004, 10:28 AM
"If I select the "Veteran" difficulty level in CoD, does it mean I'm a real WWII veteran?"

LOL - that was good. EXACTLY is what I thought.

Course, you know, there are some that might think that!

I could see the tech support call now: "Do I need to be a veteran to play this game?"

S!
609IAP_Recon

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flyingskid2
01-16-2004, 10:34 AM
"full real" is a metaphor. it is a figure of speech. a manner of speaking. just like "jesus saves". the difference is whether people who use the metaphor actually mistake the metaphor for reality. i would bet il2 gamers know full well that they are just playing a game even though they employ metaphorical language.

LilHorse
01-16-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
"full real" is a metaphor. it is a figure of speech. a manner of speaking. just like "jesus saves". the difference is whether people who use the metaphor actually mistake the metaphor for reality. i would bet il2 gamers know full well that they are just playing a game even though they employ metaphorical language.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you give us way too much credit. LOL!

JG14_Josf
01-16-2004, 11:24 AM
Sound like full real envy to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GoodKn1ght
01-16-2004, 11:54 AM
ahaha more n00bs whinning because they lack skill.

saying stuff like "its not really real, if it was you should delete the game after you die"
is just lame and people that say those things dont deserve to breathe.

Its labeled "full real" because it is the closest you can get to "real" without being real. It is certainly more real than other settings. Real pilots had a blindspot, having an unrestricted view all around you is n00b.

at the very minimum at least fly with a cockpit, otherwise you are a joke.
thanks, good day, dont be offended and dont mind me im just a jerk. And remember ......

"Friends don't let friends fly arcade"

GoodKn1ght
01-16-2004, 12:03 PM
oh one more thing to add. I agree with recon. those that dont fly fr dont deserve any credibility, and shouldn't comment on the game or what needs improving. They get no respect from me. They dont have the right to complain because they aren't playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

"Friends don't let friends fly arcade"

Future-
01-16-2004, 12:04 PM
Well, rest assured Goodknight, we know you're a jerk. At least most of the time.

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Cossack_UA
01-16-2004, 12:14 PM
I do not understand the reason for this argument whatsoever!

There is enough servers on HL and Ubi for everyone: for full real guys and for arcade guys and for those who in the middle.

If you can't find a server with settings you like, create your own!

If you can't create your own server, don't freaken blame the host for not using your favorite settings. He's the owner, he can set any setting he wants!

In my experience, ones you go full real and get your first kill, there's no going back. Kills on arcade servers are not even 10% as satisfying.

XyZspineZyX
01-16-2004, 12:18 PM
The thing that "gets me" in this debate is the logic used by the two sides.

The gamers all say "it's choice" and "whatever one likes" as the rationalization.

The sim-heads debate what's "more realistic" and use real physics and phenomena to back up their assertions as to what "full real" constitutes.

This is why my opinion falls much closer to that of Goodknight...although, for vitriol, he surpasses even me. To my way of thinking, one's personal comfort level is not the operative thing. It's the accuracy of simulation.

ELEM
01-16-2004, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
oh one more thing to add. I agree with recon. those that dont fly fr dont deserve any credibility, and shouldn't comment on the game or what needs improving. They get no respect from me. They dont have the right to complain because they aren't playing the game the way it was meant to be played.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You haven't been on these forums long and you certainly haven't read Olegs views on this. He has said himself that his sim was meant to be used any way the player wishes and NOT neccessarly FR. So who are you to say how it was meant to be played. I have personnally seen him flying it "without cockpit". So drop that arrogant self rightious attitude.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Stalker58
01-16-2004, 12:23 PM
For me FULL REAL = as close to real thing as current PC technology allows, you won't die of course but you can use almost the same tactics that was used 60 yrs ago in real life and better understant when you read WWII pilot memoirs...
Anything "less difficuly" = having fun, yes mostly I'm having fun even on more arcadish servers, but that fun is somehow..empty for me.

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

EPP-Gibbs
01-16-2004, 12:57 PM
I enjoy Full real setting as far as the actual gameplay but I also enable outside views simply because I like to look at all those lovely aircraft in their entirety and it helps to pass the time when in transit!

I don't use the speed bar because it reduces immersion. Besides, there's a nice instrument panel which gives you all that info at a glance.

I like the idea of sneaking up on someone, knowing they haven't seen you, and also the adrenalin rush when I get bounced by an unseen assailant.

I love navigation, and map reading, in short having to use the instruments, the terrain, maps, and my brains, to arrive at where I want to go to.

I don't use padlock, because I feel that aircraft cammo becomes redundant as you hit the lock-on button and the green triangle gives away the little green plane hitherto well hidden against the terrain. Having flown light aircraft, it's very easy to lose sight of a resonably distant A/C if they dip below the horizon, so I see nothing wrong with this in the sim. I find myself cleaning the monitor screen periodically to keep it free from flecks, dust, dots, beer, etc, which make distant A/C specks harder to spot...this is exactly what grouncrew routinely did for their pilot's canopies.

In short, I enjoy flying the sim like that, but at the same time, anyone can fly it exactly how they like..more power to Oleg for giving everyone the choice.

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SpremeCommander
01-16-2004, 01:05 PM
I switched to "realistic difficulty" aka "full real", because otherwise it's too easy to get kills.

BpGemini
01-16-2004, 01:25 PM
Ah who cares about what it's called?


When Oleg says "All you bases are belongs to us" you know what he's talking about.
Same thing with "Full Real" so give it a rest.

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Osirisx9
01-16-2004, 01:25 PM
Seems to me the folks that complain about those of us that fly FR because they suck at it. Lets face it arcade flying is tooooooooooooooo darn easy and boring.


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BpGemini
01-16-2004, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:
Seems to me the folks that complain about those of us that fly FR because they suck at it. Lets face it arcade flying is tooooooooooooooo darn easy and boring.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not to mention easy is lame. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Future-
01-16-2004, 02:10 PM
Well, youre right, I do suck at "full real" or whatever you call it.

I perform best with external views, minimap path and speedbar. Why? Cause my favourite bird has no cockpit (B-17), cause it's more comfortable to navigate with minimap path on and cause I need the speedbar since, as mentioned before, I have no cockpit.

Now, if some of you guys always fly "as close to reality as this game can get", better known as "full real", and enjoy it, that's fine with me.
It's also even better if you guys are good at those settings.

But don't look down on others that don't fly the way YOU think is the best. If Oleg wanted everybody to fly on "Full Real", he'd just removed all the options on the difficulty settings.
But he hasn't, so stop pretending you're better and that you know more than the creator himself.
It's ignorant morons like you that we truely DON'T need here, go and annoy yourselves, stop polluting these boards.

Oh, and can someone give Goodknight a little ban, along with a serious kick in his balls?

S!

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LeadSpitter_
01-16-2004, 02:32 PM
of course not Recon_609IAP in COD but in cod on easy difficultly settings you dont have all lock on aids to lock onto people before you can seem them visually, see behind without turning around, using externals to look around corners. Thats what fb airquake is like

its not called full real because of reality but in the games realism settings all checked = FR call it FRS whatever

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XyZspineZyX
01-16-2004, 02:48 PM
Future wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But don't look down on others that don't fly the way YOU think is the best. If Oleg wanted everybody to fly on "Full Real", he'd just removed all the options on the difficulty settings.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not necessarily. Oleg is a businessman, and wanted IL-2 to be accessible (read: sellable) to as many people as possible, gamers and sim-heads. THAT's why the sim is "difficulty-dialable". I'd wager a guess that he has his own opinions on which settings one "ought" to use to get the best results. But as a businessman, why exclude anyone? That's quite a different issue to the whys and wherefores of the simulation/gaming continuum and realism.

As for an opinion of "gamers", mine will continue to be very low, thank you. I've heard all the excuses, all the rationalizations, and I just think it comes down to if you're up for the challenge or not.

I don't care how much time you say you have to fly, what your "comfort level" is, how much you think the sim *really* lacks as far as how realistic it can ultimately be, and I certainly think bugger all that the fact that one person spent $40 like the rest of us, trumps physical phenomenon and facts. So, despite the fact that this doesn't make people feel all soft and squishy inside and ready for a group hug and unconditional acceptance...I'll *continue* to look down my nose (but not through my *aircraft's nose* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) at the low-fi gamers.

jazman777
01-16-2004, 03:22 PM
We're like a bunch of old guys sitting on the porch telling the same old stories and jokes over and over again. The cycle: Full Real, Icons (show up in the Full Real discussions, too), Cheating (is new, but it should be recurring), Messed up DM, Messed up FM, Russian Gun Firepower, n00b planes.

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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 03:26 PM
Who really cares about what`s it called? I think intention of original poster was a flame war and that`s what we`v got, right Milo? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Well done hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BpGemini
01-16-2004, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:
We're like a bunch of old guys sitting on the porch telling the same old stories and jokes over and over again. The cycle: Full Real, Icons (show up in the Full Real discussions, too), Cheating (is new, but it should be recurring), Messed up DM, Messed up FM, Russian Gun Firepower, n00b planes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You forgot Vulching and Trim on a slider.

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XyZspineZyX
01-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Flamewar?? This isn't a flamewar...it's remained VERY civil. Just differences of opinion, is all.

crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 03:43 PM
Oh.. i guess i`m seeing things Stig..BTW it was not refrenced to you by all means. This is an old discussion that boils down to FR or what is suggested..Full Diff is the only way to fly...end of story. Re-read some of the posts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif you`ll see what i mean.

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jensenpark
01-16-2004, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about _full real_. It should be called _full difficulty_. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said! Agree 100%. have said the exact same thing myself many times. IMO Best settings for FB Are:
Cockpit always on
Ext on
CEM on
Padlock on (for the poor guys that dont have Tir)
Speed bar on.
Minmap path on
minimap icons OFF
Player icons on
(limited to freindly only with default dot range)
lol i post more but late for work., lol ta ta

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Have to agree with you - or maybe with external off (though I do like to use it to watch myself go down in flames...)

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Spinnetti
01-16-2004, 06:18 PM
I have a 'Full Real' FW190 (replica) in my garage, and the blueprints for it behind me here in the office.. Does that count? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I think the point is good though that it outta be called 'Full difficulty'

Peace...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
They really aren't full flaps. It's just a game. Unless you have flaps propped on your wall or something. Do you have an airplane wing on your wall? I have to ask because others would chastise me for not giving you the benifit of the doubt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DONB3397
01-16-2004, 07:18 PM
Let's see. The guy on the right has TrackIR and he's scanning the sky at real time speed while I'm pushing the top hatch around in slow motion. On the left, the guy is jinking, rolling and doing things I only dream of; he's got a full hotas hookup with rudder pedals, while I'm twisting my trusty ol' sidewinder.

Full real(istic) seems to mean one thing to me, another to the guy on my six.

Take away the speed bar, turn off the hud and get rid of the icons.

It's just a game, pure fantasy. But, man, it sure is immersive. And, actually, I love it.

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It's the only thing!
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Old_Canuck
01-16-2004, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about _full real_. It should be called _full difficulty_. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said it before: Full Fun is the only way to go.

Full Fun = choosing a server with any settings you feel like at the time. I don't like "WW" view but that one's possible too if there's friendly names on the server http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Most of my online time so far has been in original version but hoping to visit FB servers soon.

OC

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JG27_Dacripler
01-16-2004, 09:11 PM
How about make it simple? I use the highest numeric value of 110% (similar to the WEP boost) This is in terms of VIEWING capability instead of FULL REAL which is actually based upon visiability. Some folks have great F.P.S. from the latest video card/ processor, a gig of Ram, 19' monitor, Track IR, and an awesome computer which is a huge advantage over the 1.6 gig , 256 Ram, 64 mb vid card 15" monitor, cheap joystick with a spring budget.

110% Settings= 24 Boxes checked

105% Settings= 23 Boxes checked -A choice of (1) selection of the following: Cockpit On /Off, External Views, Icons or Padlock.

100% Settings= 22 Boxes (2) Selections of the following: Cockpit On/Off, External Views, Padlock

95% Settings = 21 Boxes (3) Selections of the following: Cockpit On/Off , Icons, Padlock.

90% Settings - 20 Boxes (4) Selections: Cockpit On/Off, Externals, Icons and Padlock.

I pondered over the last 4 difficulty settings as the challenge in terms of viewability and the challenge involved with an subjective observation .. It's worth a look into and might be considered as a different option ..

Oso2323
01-16-2004, 09:43 PM
I think we're all missing one thing here: the ability to play "full real" (or whatever) depends on your pc rig and what goodies you have hooked up to it. I have a small screen, so no hud and no icons aren't really an option for me (even though I do check out the cockpit instruments every now and then). Also, how realistic is it to fumble trying to find the right letter on a keyboard? Real pilots had ergonomically designed controls. And using a mouse to simultate turning my head? (we won't even go in to focusing my eyes...) So there are some valid (read: non-lazy) reasons for not going full real.

But as for reason number one, I'm going agree with the majority and go with fun.

Slammin_
01-16-2004, 09:49 PM
I think the crosshairs should be removed from every plane!

Actually, I just came on here because I was going to start a new thread regarding cockpit on/off and the way you can get your @ss handed to you very efficiently in either mode.

There are some really bad dudes out there on both sides of the fence!

IcarusXP
01-16-2004, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about _full real_. It should be called _full difficulty_. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread.

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-Rush Limbaugh

MiloMorai
01-17-2004, 12:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Who really cares about what`s it called? I think intention of original poster was a flame war and that`s what we`v got, right Milo? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Well done hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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I don't care what you think, you nutty Russkie,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif since I can't help if there are some here with a lack of reading comprehension. The thread is nothing to do with the level of difficulty of 'flying' one chooses to use.


The use of the words 'full' and 'real' together is what causes these flame wars. Any who think this so-called 'full real' mode is close to reality are truly dillusional. Even real pilots say the highest skill level is difficult, not even coming close to reality.

I don't care wether any of you use WW or the so-called FR or anything in between. I 'fly' what ever mode that suits my mood. If I feel mean and vicious, it is WW; if I want a challenge and gratification it is "full difficulty".


@ IcarusXP

And then you even make a post.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GoodKn1ght
01-17-2004, 01:44 AM
thats pretty lame crippler. just keep it simple. everyone knows what we mean by "full real".(the closet thing to real that the sim allows). its either "full real" or "full noob" and theres something inbetween that. almost everyone plays with everything checked except cockpit, externals, padlock, and icons. so that other stuff doesnt count.
end of story.

the thing about full noob is that a good pilot will rarely get shot down if he is smart. Smart pilots just hug thier base and then dive to the cover of AA or friendly planes. SO LAME. on top of that you can easily avoid fire with external views.

in full real you are never safe. hence its where you find the good pilots.

i hope that clears it up, no need to continue this thread, gk has spoken.

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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-17-2004, 02:23 AM
I don't know about everyone else's defination of full realism, but I find that keeping all the hard stuff on makes me wanna have a cig at the end of every three flights, and that's probably close to reality!!!! Believe me, there's nothing like the feeling of being seperated from the 'ol squad and frantically asking your leader where he is while you pour over printouts of the maps and try to figure out where you've flown to while keeping an eye on your six.

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Osirisx9
01-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Another aspect that I like about flying what is called full real is that you can take advantage of an aircrafts level of visibility out of the cockpit. Its well known that 109s had many blindspots and P-51s, P-47s, and others had great visibility. Last night, I happened to be flying a 109 yesterday in HL in a full real room called Blazing Magnums ( I wished my trusty zero was enabled). Well all I can say was that My ars got waxed by P-51s and P47s... I never saw them sneaking up behind me. Do I hate full real because of that ?? No. I'm just not used to flying full real in German aircraft. The only time I didn't get killed on a regualr basis was when I flew the P-51. Simply said flying full real adds more realistic tactical nuances ( considering the fact that we are looking through a computer monitor) to the sim and for me increases the immersion factor. I can appreciate what the German pilots went through and how much skill it must have taking to be able locate aircraft from inside the cockpit of a 109. I'm quite sure that just as in real life the Americans took advantage of the 109s blindspots to score a kill. The American pilots Online took advantage just as their real life counterparts did 60 years ago.

Osiris_X9

MiloMorai
01-17-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:

i hope that clears it up, no need to continue this thread, gk has spoken.

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The only thing gk has done is flapped his gums, again.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif But that is OK, as all that hot air will help the temperature rise a few degrees.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

x__CRASH__x
01-17-2004, 09:56 AM
I'll put in my coined title:

FPIMA settings

Full Pain In My A$$

I like flying them, but I'm not great at them. They are a big pain in my a$$.

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jazman777
01-17-2004, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IcarusXP:
I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread.
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I can. It's like a car crash,we can't help _but_ look.

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Old_Canuck
01-17-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
...for my money, I'll fight it out with the sim fans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the answer, of course, we have a choice to "fight it out with the sim fans" or join a different breed of server. A clear definitiion of terms would help though but there's so many possibilities for variety we have to scan the settings for awhile before joining. But that's what I love about this game: the possibilities for variety.

OC

"You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing."

tagert
01-17-2004, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
What a mis-nome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif There is nothing full real about full real. It should be called full difficulty. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%! The nice thing about full difficulty is it forces you to fly more realisticly.. applying tried and true SA... At which point you will notice that REAL WWII tatics become usful.. and thus understood.. along with an aircraft strong and weak points.

TAGERT

Heavy_Weather
01-17-2004, 01:16 PM
all of your cockpits are belongs to us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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bazzaah2
01-17-2004, 01:31 PM
an unnecessary distinction.

From now on, I will refer to 'full real' as Eric the Halibut.

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