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XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:30 PM
While the DM of the current FW allows it to absorb damage well, once hit, even by a MG fire, the plane loses speed and authority, making it an easy victim. As I said in another topic, a few days ago a Yak peppered me with MGs and when I pulled up from the dive(evasive move) I almost crashed!!! Then I could not reach more than 530kph, no matter what I did.

Dont you think thats nasty? I mean, once hit, almost dead meat! Unless you have company, but 1vs1, if he lands a hit in the wing, he will just have to stay there. The "superdurability" Wont matter! Or is it just me who feels something is wrong?



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XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:30 PM
While the DM of the current FW allows it to absorb damage well, once hit, even by a MG fire, the plane loses speed and authority, making it an easy victim. As I said in another topic, a few days ago a Yak peppered me with MGs and when I pulled up from the dive(evasive move) I almost crashed!!! Then I could not reach more than 530kph, no matter what I did.

Dont you think thats nasty? I mean, once hit, almost dead meat! Unless you have company, but 1vs1, if he lands a hit in the wing, he will just have to stay there. The "superdurability" Wont matter! Or is it just me who feels something is wrong?



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Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:35 PM
To some degree that's correct, once you are hit you're out of fight and heading home. BUT other planes should suffer much more from this problem, in fact all other planes (except P-47 that should take aprox the same amount of damage).


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XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:45 PM
Ankanor wrote:
- once hit, even by a MG fire, the plane
- loses speed and authority, making it an easy victim.
- As I said in another topic, a few days ago a Yak
- peppered me with MGs and when I pulled up from the
- dive(evasive move) I almost crashed!!! Then I could
- not reach more than 530kph, no matter what I did.
-

I think Oleg & Co did this to simulate the effect of, for example, a damaged wing, that will drag causing a lower speed, or a damaged air-cooled cylinder that will make the engine lose power...

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:47 PM
Maybe you don`t see those little scratches on the skin.Even when you get hit hard FW hasn`t got a hole modelled in FM.With a hole you must run,nothing else.

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XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:50 PM
This is not really a problem for old FW pilots... when hit, it just revert to its old FM...

nothing to worry about /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif we are well used to handle it this way... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:55 PM
Nope, not true. Was running from someone in HL the other night in a nice slow spiral climb that kept him just over 500m off my tail. He kept taking pot shots at me and scored 5 or 6 hits, but I just kept widening the distance until finally he broke off and I ran for home. After landing, I took a look at my bird and there were small bullet holes in both wings and in the tail. Once again, I believe this is a case of people generalizing one or two cases of results that frustrated them while flying in FB. "Man, it sure did suck when my super-armored 190 took a hit and slowed down. Must be a bug!!" Face it, the hits on 190s that are slowing the aircraft down would probably saw off the wing of almost any other aircraft in the game.

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XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 05:08 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- To some degree that's correct, once you are hit
- you're out of fight and heading home. BUT other
- planes should suffer much more from this problem, in
- fact all other planes (except P-47 that should take
- aprox the same amount of damage).
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To some degree, definetily. but the case of let`s say ten MG holes disturbing the airflow enough to cause a 50kmh loss?! give me a well-deserved break! How about the the other planes? I havent found anything similar while flying Lavotchkins or Yaks. did you? if holes were modeled to cause flight problems, why only on FW190?

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A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 06:47 AM
I agree. The holes in the wings - even when caused by 7.62mm MG fire seriously degrade performance. The 190 become very unstable - wanting to rol all the time and will stall very easily.

The same can be said for the 109 too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Bear in mind however that the "Graphics DM" does not match the real Damage Model. So you might see little pinpricks and scratches on the skin in game, but the real damage could be much more severe.

I have found though that a/c like the P-39, La's and some Yaks can take a pounding and still keep going without the control loss of the 190/109.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 07:09 AM
I definitely notice this, a few mg hits and your wing starts to dip and you lose speed. This seems to happen even if the hits were nowhere near your wing. The 109 just loses its controls. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

This effect seems much less pronounced in Yaks, La's, and P-39's.

I'm not complaining, I like the effect. It seems more realistic to have more planes degraded in areas instead of the "all or nothing" damage effects that apply to most planes. I asked for this a long time ago. Still it doesn't seem like it applies equally as this is one of the first things I noticed when making the 190 my permanent ride.

Another cool damage effect I would like to see more of is the throttle sticking, but again this only seems to apply to a couple planes like the Hurricane and La.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 08:14 AM
Hey Ankanor, if you don't like performance degrade & lost control after hit, go back to play EAW or even the "Aces over Europe"~!!

Don't play IL2FB anymore~ bye!

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 12:17 PM
matthewlue wrote:
- Hey Ankanor, if you don't like performance degrade &
- lost control after hit, go back to play EAW or even
- the "Aces over Europe"~!!
-
- Don't play IL2FB anymore~ bye!
-
-

I like it but... Yeah, there`s always the "but" thing
Why I don`t notice this with the Russian fighters? Why always a handycap in one form or another? Still, I will not follow your advice and will keep busting the YAKS and LAs and the redside-taking-fw190-spinning-down-on-the-deck-uprooting-their-stick uber T&B jocks

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:37 PM
I have also notices that when flak explodes near you (but not a direct hit) it will likely reduce your top speed 80kph or more.

I like the idea, but I would prefer a more gradual implementation. As it is it seems you either lose 80kph or nothing.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:48 PM
Yep I noticed the same thing.. kinda sucks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif You just have to avoid taking damage

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 03:02 PM
I have noticed this effect on most planes...however, it definately took more than a few MG rounds to do that kind of damage and I've never seen that happen to any FW 190 anymoreso than another plane.

Yesterday I was dogfighting in a Yak-1B and the guys shooting at me (it was a 3 vs 1 in that instance) were complaining about why their 20mm and MG rounds were not bringing down my plane...little did they know that my joystick was always halfway to the right just to counteract all the damage on the one wing...the plane was constantly dipping to the right and after they all bugged out I tried to land and crashed making the turn.

FB models, correctly or not, that damage to wings and major surfaces create drag or remove lift from that surface making the plane more difficult to fly. It seems to work nicely I think. Perhaps some of the FW's have this effect a little overdone and this is what we've run into? I'm sure there's a whole host of various planes with the same problem and its just less pronounced...if its a problem at all.

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