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Radman500
10-26-2014, 03:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb4WPV-aOfo

there was the black guy that was part of the main asassins council, but their is another black guy that is talking to arno at 2:29

at first i thought it was Eseosa, but it wouldn't make sense for him to be in France

ze_topazio
10-26-2014, 03:34 AM
Morgan Freeman in his younger days.

VestigialLlama4
10-26-2014, 03:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb4WPV-aOfo

there was the black guy that was part of the main asassins council, but their is another black guy that is talking to arno at 2:29

at first i thought it was Eseosa, but it wouldn't make sense for him to be in France

African-Frenchmen were by no means invisible in France during the French Revolution (which unlike the American was an explicitly anti-racist revolution - freedom and equality for Protestants, Jews and hommes-du-couleur, the "Aristocracy of the Skin" as it was called). It's cool that Ubisoft has decided to feature the two most famous and prominent black Frenchmen.

The one on the Assassin council is Thomas-Alexandre Dumas, father of Alexandre Dumas (the author of Count of Monte Cristo, which was patterned on his Dad's experiences), still today, the highest ranking general in the Continental Army.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Alexandre_Dumas_%281762-1806%29.JPG

He was the son of a French nobleman (Antoine Alexandre Davy de la Palettierre) and a Haitian Slave woman (Marie-Cessette Dumas) so during Ancien Regime France, he got full citizenship and rights due a nobleman. When Thomas-Alexandre fell out with his Dad, he took his mother's name for his own family dynasty.


The one who teaches Arno to duel is Joseph Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-George
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges#mediaviewer/File:Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges.JPG

His father was a French nobleman and his mother a slave from Guadeloupe. He was the first classical composer of African descent, he was also Marie Antoinette's personal tutor and he was an accomplished fencing champion.

Radman500
10-26-2014, 06:50 AM
African-Frenchmen were by no means invisible in France during the French Revolution (which unlike the American was an explicitly anti-racist revolution - freedom and equality for Protestants, Jews and hommes-du-couleur, the "Aristocracy of the Skin" as it was called). It's cool that Ubisoft has decided to feature the two most famous and prominent black Frenchmen.

The one on the Assassin council is Thomas-Alexandre Dumas, father of Alexandre Dumas (the author of Count of Monte Cristo, which was patterned on his Dad's experiences), still today, the highest ranking general in the Continental Army.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Alexandre_Dumas_(1762-1806).JPG

He was the son of a French nobleman (Antoine Alexandre Davy de la Palettierre) and a Haitian Slave woman (Marie-Cessette Dumas) so during Ancien Regime France, he got full citizenship and rights due a nobleman. When Thomas-Alexandre fell out with his Dad, he took his mother's name for his own family dynasty.


The one who teaches Arno to duel is Joseph Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-George
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges#mediaviewer/File:Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges.JPG

His father was a French nobleman and his mother a slave from Guadeloupe. He was the first classical composer of African descent, he was also Marie Antoinette's personal tutor and he was an accomplished fencing champion.

if I am not mistaken Saint-George was considered the best fencer in europe




so who will be training arno on sword combat...Pierre or Saint-George?

VestigialLlama4
10-26-2014, 07:01 AM
if I am not mistaken Saint-George was considered the best fencer in europe




so who will be training arno on sword combat...Pierre or Saint-George?

I think Pierre will cover the basics, he's too much of a grizzled badass to keep feeding Arno for long. After he gives him the basics he's all, "okay now from here on you teach yourself, you get yourself killed or you keep yourself alive". Saint-Georges will be advanced dueling combat.

Radman500
10-26-2014, 02:39 PM
African-Frenchmen were by no means invisible in France during the French Revolution (which unlike the American was an explicitly anti-racist revolution - freedom and equality for Protestants, Jews and hommes-du-couleur, the "Aristocracy of the Skin" as it was called). It's cool that Ubisoft has decided to feature the two most famous and prominent black Frenchmen.

The one on the Assassin council is Thomas-Alexandre Dumas, father of Alexandre Dumas (the author of Count of Monte Cristo, which was patterned on his Dad's experiences), still today, the highest ranking general in the Continental Army.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Alexandre_Dumas_(1762-1806).JPG

He was the son of a French nobleman (Antoine Alexandre Davy de la Palettierre) and a Haitian Slave woman (Marie-Cessette Dumas) so during Ancien Regime France, he got full citizenship and rights due a nobleman. When Thomas-Alexandre fell out with his Dad, he took his mother's name for his own family dynasty.


The one who teaches Arno to duel is Joseph Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-George
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges#mediaviewer/File:Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges.JPG

His father was a French nobleman and his mother a slave from Guadeloupe. He was the first classical composer of African descent, he was also Marie Antoinette's personal tutor and he was an accomplished fencing champion.what does "aristocrats of the skin" mean?

roostersrule2
10-26-2014, 02:53 PM
The first free man.

pacmanate
10-26-2014, 03:25 PM
Adewales lost son

VestigialLlama4
10-26-2014, 04:11 PM
what does "aristocrats of the skin" mean?

No, no, racism at that time was called "the aristocracy of the skin", that is the idea of white-skinned people being superior to other people was regarded as "aristocratic" which at that time meant bad, evil and the like. Of course, the fact that both Dumas and Saint-George are aristocrats themselves (and indeed only enjoyed their position thanks to their father's noble birth and patronage) tells you that the aristocrats weren't without their good points. The revolutionaries used that phrase as justification for extending rights and franchise to people of colour and to combat racism itself. The Revolution steadily extended rights to first mulatto Frenchmen, then free men of colour in France and its colonies and finally in February, 1794 during the Reign of Terror, they abolished slavery, the first major democracy to do so. Later the Committee of Public Safety sent a guy, called Victor Hugues to the Caribbean to liberate other colonies and in some of them, he started an integrated mixed soldiers batallion, the first of its kind and Robespierre's police force arrested several members of the slave-owning lobby Club Massiac in his final month (they dodged the guillotine after Robespierre's downfall).

When Napoleon came to power, he reversed much of the laws(and also the pro-women laws as well) and brought back slavery. It'll be interesting how they tackle that what with Arno hanging out with Napoleon in the trailers and Bonaparte being all cool and charming. Underneath that was a guy who was very bad news.

Radman500
10-26-2014, 04:24 PM
No, no, racism at that time was called "the aristocracy of the skin", that is the idea of white-skinned people being superior to other people was regarded as "aristocratic" which at that time meant bad, evil and the like. Of course, the fact that both Dumas and Saint-George are aristocrats themselves (and indeed only enjoyed their position thanks to their father's noble birth and patronage) tells you that the aristocrats weren't without their good points. The revolutionaries used that phrase as justification for extending rights and franchise to people of colour and to combat racism itself. The Revolution steadily extended rights to first mulatto Frenchmen, then free men of colour in France and its colonies and finally in February, 1794 during the Reign of Terror, they abolished slavery, the first major democracy to do so. Later the Committee of Public Safety sent a guy, called Victor Hugues to the Caribbean to liberate other colonies and in some of them, he started an integrated mixed soldiers batallion, the first of its kind and Robespierre's police force arrested several members of the slave-owning lobby Club Massiac in his final month (they dodged the guillotine after Robespierre's downfall).

When Napoleon came to power, he reversed much of the laws(and also the pro-women laws as well) and brought back slavery. It'll be interesting how they tackle that what with Arno hanging out with Napoleon in the trailers and Bonaparte being all cool and charming. Underneath that was a guy who was very bad news.
so st. george was one of the best fencers in europe right at around this time

TheHumanTowel
10-26-2014, 07:55 PM
lol that he's the only man in France without a british accent. I guess the animus translation software doesn't work on black people.

Sushiglutton
10-27-2014, 05:07 PM
Never heard of Chevalier de Saint-Georges before ever, but after some wiki-research he seems like a very interesting character with many talents.



lol that he's the only man in France without a british accent. I guess the animus translation software doesn't work on black people.

Pretty sure the Animus is the last thing on Ubis mind when they are deciding accents (as it should be). Think they gave him a slightly different accent as he was borned and raised in the colonies.

VestigialLlama4
10-27-2014, 05:34 PM
Never heard of Chevalier de Saint-Georges before ever, but after some wiki-research he seems like a very interesting character with many talents.


The Revolution was a golden age for all kinds of larger than life characters, the Chevalier was one of them.



Pretty sure the Animus is the last thing on Ubis mind when they are deciding accents (as it should be). Think they gave him a slightly different accent as he was borned and raised in the colonies.


Chevalier de Saint-George spoke French with an upper-class accent, he was a denizen of the royal court and had an aristocratic education before coming to France at age 7. Ideally he should be speaking, by Ubisoft False-Logic, with upper-class English of highly refined kind. He played piano with the Queen herself.

I mean the huge joke is that Napoleon speaks like a plummy English aristocrat, when it's actually well known, indeed the source of his very popularity, that Napoleon spoke French with a thick Corsican(Italian) accent. He learnt French only when he was eight or so, and kept being teased as a kid for his accent. He never lost that and it was indeed one reason why French people in that era liked him since they felt that he was an outsider to the aristocrats, and he carefully kept this view even when he became a new aristocrat himself.

VestigialLlama4
10-27-2014, 05:35 PM
Never heard of Chevalier de Saint-Georges before ever, but after some wiki-research he seems like a very interesting character with many talents.


The Revolution was a golden age for all kinds of larger than life characters, the Chevalier was one of them.



Pretty sure the Animus is the last thing on Ubis mind when they are deciding accents (as it should be). Think they gave him a slightly different accent as he was borned and raised in the colonies.


Chevalier de Saint-George spoke French with an upper-class accent, he was a denizen of the royal court and had an aristocratic education before coming to France at age 7. Ideally he should be speaking, by Ubisoft False-Logic, with upper-class English of highly refined kind. He played piano with the Queen herself.

I mean the huge joke is that Napoleon speaks like a plummy English aristocrat, when it's actually well known, indeed the source of his very popularity, that Napoleon spoke French with a thick Corsican(Italian) accent. He learnt French only when he was eight or so, and kept being teased as a kid for his accent. He never lost that and it was indeed one reason why French people in that era liked him since they felt that he was an outsider to the aristocrats, and he carefully kept this view even when he became a new aristocrat himself. Ideally, he should be voiced like Ezio Auditore or given his historical role, by the guy who voiced Cesare Borgia, since Napoleon is historically and game-wise, a smoother, smarter, saner and more dangerous Machiavellian Prince than Cesare ever was.

Sushiglutton
10-27-2014, 06:01 PM
Chevalier de Saint-George spoke French with an upper-class accent, he was a denizen of the royal court and had an aristocratic education before coming to France at age 7. Ideally he should be speaking, by Ubisoft False-Logic, with upper-class English of highly refined kind. He played piano with the Queen herself.

I mean the huge joke is that Napoleon speaks like a plummy English aristocrat, when it's actually well known, indeed the source of his very popularity, that Napoleon spoke French with a thick Corsican(Italian) accent. He learnt French only when he was eight or so, and kept being teased as a kid for his accent. He never lost that and it was indeed one reason why French people in that era liked him since they felt that he was an outsider to the aristocrats, and he carefully kept this view even when he became a new aristocrat himself.


I stand corrected! Now the only hope for Ubi's soul is that the guy in the trailer is in fact a different historical character.