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Zacast
07-22-2004, 11:44 PM
Can anyone please give me a general idea of what the main differences are between the...

FW-190A-4
FW-190A-5
FW-190A-6
FW-190A-8
FW-190A-9

Main questions I have -

- Which is fastest
- What are the differences in manueverability between hte FW-190A4/5 and FW-190A/6?
-What are the differences in manueverability between FW-190A/6 and FW-190A8/9?
-What are the differences in climb?
-Which one, in your opinion, is the BEST OVERALL FIGHTER VS FIGHTER 190 Anton to be used online against the spitfire a mustang hoards?

I ordered AEP today and hopefully I'll be online to learn the 190 next week http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm most interested in the 190A/5/6/8.

Zacast
07-22-2004, 11:44 PM
Can anyone please give me a general idea of what the main differences are between the...

FW-190A-4
FW-190A-5
FW-190A-6
FW-190A-8
FW-190A-9

Main questions I have -

- Which is fastest
- What are the differences in manueverability between hte FW-190A4/5 and FW-190A/6?
-What are the differences in manueverability between FW-190A/6 and FW-190A8/9?
-What are the differences in climb?
-Which one, in your opinion, is the BEST OVERALL FIGHTER VS FIGHTER 190 Anton to be used online against the spitfire a mustang hoards?

I ordered AEP today and hopefully I'll be online to learn the 190 next week http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm most interested in the 190A/5/6/8.

Fehler
07-23-2004, 12:51 AM
That's an easy one...

A-4 - most nimble, but slowest. Has no WEP and overheats the fastest. Good firepower and a very good plane against early allied aircraft.

A-5 - Somewhat faster than the A-4 and very good against everything prior to 44.

A-6 - Very similar to the A-5, but more punch with 4x MG151/20's

A-8 - Outclassed by most 44 planes, but does great at bomber busting or ground pounding.

A-9 - similar to A-8, but it is a pretty good energy fighter. It's most like a woman INHO, you have to know how to stroke her just right to get what you want out of her.

D-9 - Fastest 190 in the game. Great climb, and maneuverability (190 standards that is) but lacks the punch of the A-9, especially if you have the MK108 wing cannon in the A-9.

In all, I prefer the A-9 the best vs late war allied planes. I dont dogfight with them, but I do energy fight. The A-9 is the ultimate one-pass killer in the right hands, but the pony's and spits can catch them if you dont keep her fast.

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Maj_Death
07-23-2004, 01:03 AM
The Fw-190A4 can rather easily dominate a 1942 server, however in 1943 it becomes outclassed by the allied aircraft. The A5 is significantly faster than the A4 but retains the A4's reasonably good agility (vs american planes, russian planes will fly loops around it if you get slow). The A5 won't dominate a 1943 server but it is certainly one of the best for the period. The A6 is a slight improvement over the A5, performance is identicle but it has better armament. The A8 is marginally faster than the A5/A6 and a little better armed but sacrifices all agility. It is a good early 1944 hit and runner but gets outclassed by late 1944. The A9 is the fastest of the Antons and possibly the least manueverable. It has the same armament as the A8 but features a much bigger engine. The A9 is my favorite ride in 1944/1945 period. The D9 is the fastest of the Fw-190's and the most manueverable, however you loose 2 of your 20mm's. The reduced armament makes it ineffective vs bombers but it is still very capable vs fighters. The Ta-152H is also in the Fw-190 line, it is more manueverable than the Fw-190D9 by a small amount but it is inferior in all other ways. It is slow, has mediocre climb rate and is more fragile. It has different armament (2x13mm replaced with 1x30mm) but I wouldn't say it is better armed. The only place the Ta-152H starts to shine is above 8000m, but fights at that altitude are extremely rare even in places like VEF and VWF.

If you are in an unlimited planeset, I suggest either the A9 or the D9.

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07-23-2004, 01:22 AM
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Franzen
07-23-2004, 04:31 AM
Fehler mentioned the overheating with the A4. Yes, it does happen fairly quickly but it's very easy to cool. Amazingly if you keep full throttle and get some speed it will cool down quite quickly.
I started flying the 190's and the A4 is my favorite in any plane set. It is fast once you get it moving and is also quite nimble but you must keep your energy. You're not limited to BnZ as many will say. I'm no good at BnZ but get my kills with using TnB with large manuevers.
Up to now no one has been able to shoot me down. The rollrate is very quick and useful. If I do get someone on my 6 I can usually lose them. I make short and quick movements every 2 seconds so the enemy can't aim. Once I have my speed I can usually out run them.

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Monson74
07-23-2004, 04:49 AM
You could say that they tend to get heavier but faster over the years. On a '44 server I'd pick a D9 - it's fast, agile & packs a good punch with those two 20mms - I've never hit anything but air with the 108s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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nicli
07-23-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
A-8 - Outclassed by most 44 planes, but does great at bomber busting or ground pounding.
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That's strange, I was just thinking that the 190A8 was a good 1944 fighter, at least at medium level, better than the 109s, except the K4 and G6AS that appeared at the end of 1944...

But maybe it's just that I can't fly the 109s properly..., I've always had problems with that G6...

BTW, does anybody have info on the possible combat carreer of the 190D13, I only know that a few were delivered to front-line units (among them the Geschwaderstab of JG26) in 1945...

And I've got the same question about the 109K14, two of them reportedly flying with Wilhelm Batz's Gruppenstab III/JG52 in 1945 but I don't have any more info about it...

BlackShrike
07-23-2004, 09:27 AM
190A6 has WEP. a5 does not. i believe a6 is faster and more manueverable than a5.

TA152 armament is 3 times better than the dora. dont be fooled . its guns are monster. dora is a pea shooter.

Spinnetti
07-23-2004, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackShrike:
190A6 has WEP. a5 does not. i believe a6 is faster and more manueverable than a5.

TA152 armament is 3 times better than the dora. dont be fooled . its guns are monster. dora is a pea shooter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, the A5 does have WEP....

Franzen
07-23-2004, 10:13 AM
Nah, I think the A5 has MW50. I may be wrong though, my pc and game is 1000km north. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Zacast
07-23-2004, 10:14 AM
Ok so the 190A-6 turn performance and general maneuverability is the same as the A-5? Can the A/6 take on 1944 allied planes if the pilot is smart?

What about climb performance between these 190s (dora is obviously the best)?

I'm not really interested in the A9. The 190A-8 was the most produced 1944 Anton so I'll probably learn to fly it instead of the A9.

EDIT - Btw the A5 has MW-50.

Fafnir_6
07-23-2004, 10:19 AM
"The only place the Ta-152H starts to shine is above 8000m, but fights at that altitude are extremely rare even in places like VEF and VWF."

Yup. Can't wait for Harti's Ta152C-1/C-3

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Franzen
07-23-2004, 10:43 AM
Actually, I flew the Ta152 on a dfight server and found it turned quite well. I never went above 3000 during the fights. I fought mostly with 109's and P-51's. I was never hit even once but got lots of kills.

I don't have any other experience but maybe the plane just suits my style. I'm somewhere in between BnZ and TnB and energy conservation is #1.

Fritz Franzen

robban75
07-23-2004, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zacast:
What about climb performance between these 190s (dora is obviously the best)?

I'm not really interested in the A9. The 190A-8 was the most produced 1944 Anton so I'll probably learn to fly it instead of the A9.

EDIT - Btw the A5 has MW-50.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 190A's in general climb too slowly. Especially the Fw 190A-9. It's RL climbrate very much matched that of the Fw 190D-9, which is ~22m/sec.
The Fw 190A-9 is probably the most undermodelled fighter in FB/AEP in terms of climbperformance. I can't tell how the A-9 climbs with the new patch, as I haven't downloaded it yet.

The A-9 is virtually a faster, better climbing A-8. In real life that is.

And, no, the A-5 does not have MW50, it has Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung.

MW50 was tested on the A-4, but it's not avaliable in FB/AEP, of course.

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Franzen
07-23-2004, 11:59 AM
Thanx Robban, I knew the A5 had something. My second guess was Jaegermeister. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

robban75
07-23-2004, 12:13 PM
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Zacast
07-23-2004, 12:34 PM
What about my question on the A-6? It's equal to the A/4/5 in maneuverability?

Can the A/6 be used successfully on a 1944 server with smart flying?

Franzen
07-23-2004, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zacast:
What about my question on the A-6? It's equal to the A/4/5 in maneuverability?

Can the A/6 be used successfully on a 1944 server with smart flying?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The A4 can be used successfully on a 1944 server with smart flying. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Smart flying is the key.

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Red_Storm
07-23-2004, 12:49 PM
The A-6 is equal in performance to the A-5, a bit better perhaps. I personally swear by the Dora, but that's just me.

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Franzen
07-23-2004, 12:54 PM
Redstorm, I tried the Dora once but found the elevators to be a bit of a handicap. It seems to stall extremely easy.

I've noticed that those who fly it swear by it almost religiously. Are you a BnZ pilot? What's your flying style and could you give me some flying advice? Maybe I'll give it another go.

Fritz Franzen

VW-IceFire
07-23-2004, 12:55 PM
Best two to take into a serious fight are the FW190D-9 and the FW190A-6. I find those both to be VERY effective aircraft when facing fighters.

The A-8 and A-9 I tend to take bomber hunting.

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JtD
07-23-2004, 12:56 PM
A-4, A-5, A-6 all are very similar in maneuverability.

You can use any 190 in 1944 servers if you fly it smart. Only problem is the P-51 which does everything better than the 190.

I'd recommend the D-9, though.

JV44Rall
07-23-2004, 05:19 PM
A9 is the best, imho, of the FWs and (for me) of all LW prop planes. But you can't fly it like a 109 or a Pony. It's pretty fast and, with the Mk108s, hits harder than any other plane in the game. But all FWs take a lot of practice to learn to fly right. At least you can take a few hits, unlike a 109.

One sour note - I think Oleg has killed a bit of the A9 roll rate in 2.04 - it's a tad sluggish.

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Dammerung
07-23-2004, 05:30 PM
Don't know why ANYONE uses those Mk108s... The Mk103 Gunpods are so incredibly nasty. A Single Shell makes a B-17 vaporize. I got 3 Pe-2s just a bit ago in the A-8 with the Mk103s, just hit it in the Wing once and down she goes. Don't even think about trying to dogfight with it. The A-9 has serious firepower, for bombers in the form of Mk103 and Mk108, and for other fighers with the Dual MG151/20s. Nasty firepower, only the P-47 and Yak-9K come close for the allies.

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Hunde_3.JG51
07-23-2004, 06:01 PM
The A-4 handles a little better than the A-5 and A-6 (which are identical in handling and performance IMO and according to IL-2 compare). Flown correctly the A-5/A-6 can do well in '44 (full-switch) servers but you have to fly high with good wingmen if you are flying against decent opposition. Spotting your enemy first helps as well.

The A-8 and A-9 handle the most poorly of all.

The Dora has the best performance and is the best 1 vs 1 fighter of the 190 series IMO. However, (as Rall said) on full switch servers I still prefer the A-9's one pass killing power and I rarely engage in 1 vs 1 fights anyway unless I have an energy advantage. This is a good idea when every plane pretty much out-turns and out-climbs you. You have good speed, firepower, and high speed handling. Hit your opponent and get out of there if your advantage starts to disappear or even out. Also, the A-9 is much better for taking down tough planes like the P-47 and P-38 and you don't have to go down low or expose yourself (or lose situational awareness) trying to finish them off with Dora's anemic armament. If the server is filled with all-out fighters like La-7's, Yak-3's, P-51's, P-63's, then I may choose the FW-190D. I also may choose the Dora if the opposition is top-notch or if my wingmen haven't joined yet.

Dammerung, people use the MK-108's because they can be mounted in wings with no performance hit, whereas the MK-103's are installed in under-wing pods that adversely effect performance a great deal.

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Zacast
07-23-2004, 08:57 PM
Bleh I can't stand the MK.108. Fires too slow for me. I always loved the MG/151 pre AEP and I'll probably learn the quad 20mm package for A/6.

Dammerung
07-23-2004, 09:20 PM
The Performance hit is worth 1 Hit Kills, increased accuracy, and almost double muzzle velocity.

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Zacast
07-23-2004, 10:23 PM
=/ The MG/151/20 always seemed accurate to me. It's not the performance hit that makes me prefer the 20mm over 30mm. I just like the MG/151/20's fast ROF.

Hunde_3.JG51
07-24-2004, 01:24 AM
Dammerung, unless you are doing offline stuff against bombers or doing ground attack the performance hit is nowhere near worth it IMO. If you are flying online the MK-103 or dual-151/20 gunpods turn your plane into a dog as opposed to in-wing MK-108's which have no effect on performance at all. Pretty much any experienced FB/FW-190 flyer will tell you that. With gunpods/gondolas, planes like the P-51, La-7, and probably others will run you down. Without pods you are faster than any other allied prop plane at specific altitudes and close to a match at many other heights. For the FW-190 any loss in speed is VERY crucial and the MK-108's are plenty powerful.

Even offline I don't think the performance hit is worth it unless you know there is no fighter cover. But to each his own, just my opinion.

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Indianer.
07-24-2004, 02:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zacast:
Can anyone please give me a general idea of what the main differences are between the...

FW-190A-4
FW-190A-5
FW-190A-6
FW-190A-8
FW-190A-9

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Franzen
07-24-2004, 04:15 AM
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F16_Filur
07-24-2004, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
Don't know why ANYONE uses those Mk108s... The Mk103 Gunpods are so incredibly nasty. A Single Shell makes a B-17 vaporize. I got 3 Pe-2s just a bit ago in the A-8 with the Mk103s, just hit it in the Wing once and down she goes. Don't even think about trying to dogfight with it. The A-9 has serious firepower, for bombers in the form of Mk103 and Mk108, and for other fighers with the Dual MG151/20s. Nasty firepower, only the P-47 and Yak-9K come close for the allies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love the sound of the mk103. Such a nice dull "Thump!"

Reminds somewhat of the mg151/15mm (soundwise).

F16_Fatboy
07-24-2004, 04:40 AM
The differenses can be discribed as:

The 1942 190A-4 differed from the A-3 by the additon of water-methanol injection system (MW50) and a new radio FuG 16z.
The 1943 190A-5 had a lengthened engine mount to reduce vibration making the A-5 15.5 cm longer.
The 190A-6 had a new wingstructure incorporating two 20-mm MG 151 and additiona armor in cocpit,cowling and cooling system.
The 190A-7 december 1943 had minor changes from A-6 including two MG131 in place of the fuselage upperdeck MG 17.And a new Revi 16b gunsight.

The 190A-8 had afew internal changes, the GM1 nitrous oxide tank, relocation of raio and ETC bomb rack to compensate for change in gravity.

The 190A-9 was built as a Rammjaeger with heavily armoured wing leadin-edges and the BMW801F-1 powerplant.
Several different S=shulflugzeug, U=factory conversation and R=field conversation existed of all these airplanes.

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CHDT
07-24-2004, 05:03 AM
Not all A-9's were heavy variants.

They had 2270ps with WEP, the extra-wing armor was quickly deleted after beginning of the production and many of them flew without extra wing cannons too.

So, the A-9 should be in real life a very fast aircraft with a powerful acceleration!

Fw-190D-9
07-24-2004, 06:02 AM
I love the Dora 9. Its true that is lacks the punch of the Antons in the fact that it is missing two 20mm cannon, but as stated it can still handle itself pretty well in a dogfight. It is faster, is alittle more manuverable then the antons, especialy the later variants, but it has a slightly slower roll, but not by much.

Main tactics with the Dora, as are most Fw-190 are to B&Z with it as a primary tactic, or fash slashing attack work well also. Wile the Fw-190 can't really compete as a T&B fighter since it will be out turned, especialy by Spitfires, and possible Mustangs, its greatest asset is speed and it's roll. Flip the 190 in to a roll and you can break faster then any other fighter. If ya don't believe me, have a friend take a Spitfire MK V and you a Fw-190A-4. Even if he knows your going to roll and break he can't follow.

If I can't get my hands ona Dora, I usally take an A-4, 5, or 6. I tend to stay away from the A-8 and A-9.

Bremspropeller
07-24-2004, 09:30 AM
The A-4 did not have a serial MW-50 system, it was tested, but not installed into the runnig serial production.

The A-6 was the first type with the new ReVi16B, not the A-7.

The A-8s "GM-1" tank was vitually never filled with GM-1 but was used as extra fuel-tank (capacity: 115 litres).

The A-9 was indeed no "Rammj√¬§ger" (a widespread myth...) and only very few aircraft got the F engine (most ones got the TU/TS/TH series).

The only Sturm-/"Rammj√¬§ger" versions were the R2 and R8 R√ľsts√¬§tze with extra armor and the MK108 cannon in the outer wings.
Actually there were no real "Rammj√¬§ger" versions since the aim of the Sturmstaffeln was to SHOOT down the bombers - ramming was only allowed when you could not bring down a bomber with your cannons.

The "Kommando Elbe" is another story: no a/c of this ramming unit was actually prepared for it's task. Surviving was a matter of luck since the pilots dove with normal serial a/c onto the bombers - without any extra-armor.


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HunterZer0
07-24-2004, 10:19 AM
I used to be an A5 fan but have switched to the A6 since it became available. I don't know why, probably just my imagination but it seems a touch more stable on the edge than the A5. The A6 had a new lightened wing IIRC, same as the A8.

I like the 190A for its long overheat, rapid cooldown and ability to stay on boost for long periods without damaging the engine.

The D9 Dora is a great plane too, feels like a real speed sled. The 'late' version has the MW50 which gives a great speed kick, but I do miss the extra 2x 20mm from the Antons. It seems the MW50 version overheats a little quicker than the earlier Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung version. I haven't flown it as much as the Antons.

The 190s benefit from a healthy dose of combat flap usage and trim to get those snapshots in. It can pull some very impressive turns at high speed, but turn rate drops off quite quickly if you fall far under 400kph - so it can't hold those high speed turns.

You really have to think ahead when soloing in a 190, and pick your fights really carefully. That said, it is one of the best tactical wingman fighters in the game, especially the Antons.

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F16_Fatboy
07-24-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
The A-4 did not have a serial MW-50 system, it was tested, but not installed into the runnig serial production.

The A-6 was the first type with the new ReVi16B, not the A-7.

The A-8s "GM-1" tank was vitually never filled with GM-1 but was used as extra fuel-tank (capacity: 115 litres).

The A-9 was indeed no "Rammj√¬§ger" (a widespread myth...) and only very few aircraft got the F engine (most ones got the TU/TS/TH series).

The only Sturm-/"Rammj√¬§ger" versions were the R2 and R8 R√ľsts√¬§tze with extra armor and the MK108 cannon in the outer wings.
Actually there were no real "Rammj√¬§ger" versions since the aim of the Sturmstaffeln was to SHOOT down the bombers - ramming was only allowed when you could not bring down a bomber with your cannons.

The "Kommando Elbe" is another story: no a/c of this ramming unit was actually prepared for it's task. Surviving was a matter of luck since the pilots dove with normal serial a/c onto the bombers - without any extra-armor.


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Please state the sources for your information!

Mine comes from the "Focke Wulf Fw190" by Robert Grinsell.
As for the A-9 he says "The Fw 190A-9, a proposed Rammjaeger, was built in six prototypes and incorporated the BMW801F-1 powerplant with heavily armored wing leading-edges." Seems it never got in to production!

From the "Interceptor vs. heavy bomber" by David A. Anderton;
"The chosen fighter was the Fw190A-8, equipped as for Sturmgruppen. The fighter retained its standard armament of paired 13 mm MG 131 in the fuselage and four wing-mounted 20 mm MG151/20 cannon. Frontal and cockpit armor was increased substansialy.It was tried, according to some sourses, with varying degrees of success. The modification made the Fw190 a lot more robust and survivable than it had been, and so it is likly that pilots flying them were able to score more easily than before and that they were not often forced to ram. (The concept was revived in 1945 by Sondercommando Elbe, flying modified Bf109G, K and Fw190A models. Its only known operation was against B-17 on April 7, and eight of the bombers lost that day were reported brought down by the special aircraft. But the one mission finished Sk Elbe; 80 percent of its aircraft never got home.)"

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Bremspropeller
07-24-2004, 01:35 PM
Information taken from Peter Rodeike's book "Jagdflugzeug Fw190"

The most accurate work on the development of the Fw190A,D and Ta152H so far.

444 pages and published (unfortunately) in german only (so far).

The book gives information about serials, has tons of pictures and features letters of former pilots and engineers to the author or other people who kindly offered these letters to the author.
Rodeike's excessive work figured ot (for example) that at least (he counted them !!) a total of 910 Fw190A-9s were built (documents by Focke-Wulf).

BTW: the first type to be chosen as "Sturmj√¬§ger" (Sturmstaffel 1) was the A-6.


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F16_Fatboy
07-24-2004, 02:34 PM
Thank you!
Probably the most correct information.

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Vortex_uk
07-24-2004, 03:41 PM
Is it me,or have people forgotten about the F-8?

Handles not very well,just a bit worse than the A-8 or A-9,not as fast as either,but a bit more than the A-6 and A-5. NOT for use in a dogfight,Ground pounder only,unless you find your self with a great alt advantage then your enemy. Fir power the same as the A-4 basicly. Not a very good climber so only use BnZ as a last resort.

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FW-Raptor
07-24-2004, 07:07 PM
lets get one thing straight a models ARE FIGHTERS and the D Series ARE HIGH ALTITUDE FIGHTERS meant for attacking bombers

Spinnetti
07-24-2004, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Nah, I think the A5 has MW50. I may be wrong though, my pc and game is 1000km north. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, you may be right. I was thinking of the term generically, as in it does have boost, but specifically which kind I'm not sure. (as opposed to earlier models which have no boost of any kind)

Mitlov47
07-24-2004, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW-Raptor:
lets get one thing straight a models ARE FIGHTERS and the D Series ARE HIGH ALTITUDE FIGHTERS meant for attacking bombers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my experience, even at low altitude, the Dora is superior to the Anton in everything but firepower. At least the '44 model which has Eimgonnageta Notherbeer instead of MW50 (or whatever they're called).

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Fw-190D-9
07-24-2004, 08:37 PM
I agree with Mitlov, I prefer the Dora to the Anton any day.

Mitlov47
07-24-2004, 08:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vortex_uk:
Is it me,or have people forgotten about the F-8?
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I haven't forgotten about it, I just loathe it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't see what advantage it has over the Anton. It can't carry any MORE bombs than the Anton, only different TYPES. And the Anton's SC is appropriate for just about everything. Not to mention, the F can't mount Mk108s or Mk103s, both of which can be useful in ground-pounding.

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Maj_Death
07-25-2004, 02:43 AM
Actually the F8 can carry more bombs. The A8 and A9 can only carry an SC500, the F8 can carry an SC500 + 4xSC50. The SC50's are very useful for killing trucks and AAA. Sure the A5/U17 can be equiped like this as well but the A5/U17 with this setup has a top speed of under 500km/h even when the bombs are gone. On the other hand the F8 does 570km/h once the bombs are gone. This is at sea level BTW. The F8 is the best Fw-190 for mud moving, there is no debating that. But in the fighter role it sucks. This is why it was excluded from the nearly all responses to the thread initiators question. The thread initiator was asking about Fw's in air to air combat, not air to ground combat.

Edit: about the MK108's, no self respecting jabo pilot would take those things. They are inaccurate, have terrible recoil and thus are utterly worthless for strafing. The MK103's arn't much better. They are accurate and powerful but the added power isn't needed to kill anything except tanks and they arn't powerful enough to do that reliably.

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