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FW190fan
02-27-2004, 06:06 PM
HeHe, those poor P-51s looked like clay pigeons at a shooting range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not going to be a good idea to engage the Ta-152H up high.

Looks like the roll rate and turn rate are quite good as well. And the 30mm nose cannon... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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FW190fan
02-27-2004, 06:06 PM
HeHe, those poor P-51s looked like clay pigeons at a shooting range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not going to be a good idea to engage the Ta-152H up high.

Looks like the roll rate and turn rate are quite good as well. And the 30mm nose cannon... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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AFJ_Locust
02-27-2004, 06:08 PM
im about to watch it

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dannnyjos
02-27-2004, 06:22 PM
That plane is going to be nasty. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Mitlov47
02-27-2004, 06:25 PM
Yeah, that TA-152 absolutely brutalized those P-52s. Cool video. Of course, couldn't it go the opposite direction if that's what the filmmaker wanted?

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BS87
02-27-2004, 06:32 PM
link?

Gibbage1
02-27-2004, 06:33 PM
FYI, those were AI targets. I call them targets because they make anytihng shooting them look good. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
HeHe, those poor P-51s looked like clay pigeons at a shooting range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not going to be a good idea to engage the Ta-152H up high.

Looks like the roll rate and turn rate are quite good as well. And the 30mm nose cannon... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maj_Death
02-27-2004, 06:36 PM
Yup definatly AI target drones, probebly set on rookie too. But it's still a good video IMHO.

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BS87
02-27-2004, 06:36 PM
nm, i rarely check the main page hehe

Mitlov47
02-27-2004, 06:50 PM
Just for the record, the TA-152 looks like a freakin' U2 spy plane compared to my Sweet Sixteen. That thing has LONG wings. Anybody know if those wings are well-armored, or if they splinter when they're hit?

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Gwalker70
02-27-2004, 07:20 PM
can you link me? I dont see a link

WarGod5475
02-27-2004, 07:26 PM
i was pretty disapointed in the headons....
but i liked every thing else.... ill be flying one when i can get it. but you wont catch me doing any of that head on pass crap!

Gibbage1
02-27-2004, 07:32 PM
IT would also be interesting to see how well the wings stay on in a dive hay? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
Just for the record, the TA-152 looks like a freakin' U2 spy plane compared to my Sweet Sixteen. That thing has LONG wings. Anybody know if those wings are well-armored, or if they splinter when they're hit?

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tsisqua
02-27-2004, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
can you link me? I dont see a link<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The main page, Mate:

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WUAF_Badsight
02-27-2004, 07:48 PM
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i dont care if the Mustangs were AI or not

AI on Ace is total killer in Head-ons or any shot really

the guy flying the TA-152 is a Damm Good Shot

TheGozr
02-27-2004, 08:03 PM
It seam to be a very good gun stable plateform.

also i wonder who will dogfight at that altitude..?

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BuzzU
02-27-2004, 08:28 PM
Were there any humans involved in the movie? You can do that with almost any plane. Set yourself on ace, and the enemy on rookie. Then just use auto pilot. You'll blast everybody in headons. A human P-51 pilot would be a fool to do a headon against the Ta152. A real human fight won't be as easy as that movie shows.

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02-27-2004, 09:13 PM
B/Z IS A KILLER http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif it will never be the same

Bearcat99
02-27-2004, 10:38 PM
Well the Luftwh... er uh...flyers will have less to wh...uh.... debate about once this bird gets out of its cage.

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LuftLuver
02-27-2004, 10:47 PM
Yeah!

We are gonna PWN the red planes now for sure! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Gibbage1
02-27-2004, 11:12 PM
Lol. If you guys ever come down to play, you will get owned.

Hunde_3.JG51
02-27-2004, 11:21 PM
I can't wait for the Ta-152, but to be honest it won't make much difference for me as I will rarely get to fly it. Generally I only play on full-switch servers with hopefully historical opponents and I don't see the Ta-152 being included that often. I'll still mess around with it offline which should be nice but overall I doubt I'll get too much seat time in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

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LEXX_Luthor
02-27-2004, 11:24 PM
ATTENTION High Altitude Late WAR Camp...

Somebody at sinhq noticed that the high altitude horizon seemed sharper. I thought so too in a very big way. Could this be one of Oleg's Surprises? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

but the 7km Myst is still there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Zen--
02-28-2004, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
I can't wait for the Ta-152, but to be honest it won't make much difference for me as I will rarely get to fly it. Generally I only play on full-switch servers with hopefully historical opponents and I don't see the Ta-152 being included that often. I'll still mess around with it offline which should be nice but overall I doubt I'll get too much seat time in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

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My good man, for you and the other fellows itching to try it, I will happily run a dedicated server featuring the plane. Based on what I've seen from the object viewer, the awesome video of it in flight and some deductive reasoning, I really don't think it will be uber, so I'd feel safe letting it in game personally.

In the OV, it really seems like the K4 will outperform it up to 7k in everything except turn rate, so if people can live with the K4 I don't see an issue with the TA152.

As for historical accuracy, thats a valid point but there are few servers strict on that, so I think the plane will be pretty widely used. If you like, I'd be delighted to run a full switch semi/ historical planeset just for the fun of it.


And I am really dying to try it out, based on some theories I have from the OV and the current D9 performance.


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Jumoschwanz
02-28-2004, 01:26 AM
When I flew the beta the wings on the Ta folded up like a beach chair under Mama Cass when hit.


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Raiden48
02-28-2004, 01:27 AM
Holy hell,that plane is just awesome !!!
Like i always wanted a D9 with more turning capability and a Mk108 , cool!

Lixma
02-28-2004, 01:30 AM
Those wings are ridiculous...you'd never get it in the garage.

robban75
02-28-2004, 01:53 AM
Well I believe that the Ta 152H will not be the best plane for the less experienced. But, for all of those who master the Fw 190A/D this will most deffinitely be a tough adversary for most fighters in FB. Its climbrate should be similar to the D-9's down low, and above 4000m, the Ta 152 will pull ahead more and more. My sources say the Ta 152H-1 will manage 598km/h at treetop level and 748km/h at 9500m. At 12500m its topspeed was 765km/h. But I think it's probably better to stay below 10,000m in FB just in order to get realistic airplane behavior.

IMHO, were finally getting to fly one of WW2's most graceful fighter designs. And since basically all sources say it was better than the D-9 in every way, save low alt topspeed and rollrate, I think were in for a treat! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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WUAF_Toad
02-28-2004, 02:08 AM
Two words... poor jugs

tenmmike
02-28-2004, 02:12 AM
the prob as i see it is that as much as i love fb its high alt model is not good so even though the TA-152 is my favorite plane im suspicious of the fm.

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JG26Red
02-28-2004, 02:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Lol. If you guys ever come down to play, you will get owned.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why is that?

MPortus
02-28-2004, 04:39 AM
If you look at the new IL2Compare you will see Ta152 is much slower than D9 under 7000m. It's climbrate is also worst. Hope it's just IL2Compare.

CaptainGelo
02-28-2004, 04:44 AM
he had unlimited ammo, u can see it in chokpit, it didnt showed how many ammo had left(unimited) and he probobly could get killed ether.....some1 was flying on easy setnings....

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Red_Storm
02-28-2004, 05:02 AM
Feel the need to defend yourselves verbally Indianers? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
02-28-2004, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
ATTENTION _High Altitude Late WAR Camp_...

Somebody at sinhq noticed that the high altitude horizon seemed sharper. I thought so too in a _very_ big way. Could this be one of Oleg's Surprises? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

_but the 7km Myst is still there_ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah not only that but it seemed the whole high alt performance was different...did you notice the Jugs too? They seemed to be turning a little snappier... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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p1ngu666
02-28-2004, 06:59 AM
why is climb worse with wings bigger than a yo mamma joke?
controls shouldnt concreate like k4 tho zen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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ElAurens
02-28-2004, 07:32 AM
In the hands of an experienced FW pilot (Maj_Death for expamle) it will be a deadly opponenet. But let someone get low and slow with it (they will), and those huge targets...er, wings...will be fodder for deflection shooters in just about any Allied aircraft.

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Menthol_moose
02-28-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
Just for the record, the TA-152 looks like a freakin' U2 spy plane compared to my Sweet Sixteen. That thing has LONG wings. Anybody know if those wings are well-armored, or if they splinter when they're hit?

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Wings that Gary Powers would be proud of !

Just more to aim at I guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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SeaFireLIV
02-28-2004, 08:05 AM
Just been reading my "Little Book of WWII planes":

1.The TA 152: It was the FASTEST Luftwaffe operational fighter.

2. Pilots with the SKILL to use them did very well.

3.Had it been built in enough numbers and flown by expert pilots it would have taken its place alongside the ME 262 as a near unbeatable air superiority fighter/bomber killer. (Online there will be good pilots and lots of TA 152s... it`s gonna be scary!)

There was also a Ta 152C low altitude version...

This is gonna be a tough plane to beat in good hands. But I`m still looking forward to shooting it`s oversized wings off!

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p1ngu666
02-28-2004, 08:07 AM
bet it will roll fast with 1 wing missing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
im fairly sure it will be uber, with some vices..

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02-28-2004, 08:24 AM
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DangerForward
02-28-2004, 08:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
My sources say the Ta 152H-1 will manage 598km/h at treetop level and 748km/h at 9500m. At 12500m its topspeed was 765km/h. But I think it's probably better to stay below 10,000m in FB just in order to get realistic airplane behavior.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the IL2 Compare that came out is even a little accurate we're not going to get that much low level speed. It looks more like we'll get 490kph and 560kph max at sea level. From what I have in Hermann's book on the 190D the sea level speed would be 520(takeoff and combat) and 598(MW50). No matter what it'll be nice to fly. I've been waiting for it since I got a copy of that Avalon Hill air combat game.

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SeaFireLIV
02-28-2004, 09:59 AM
Well, this version`s a HIGH-ALTITUDE flyer (I put caps just to make sure our more excited flyers don`t forget). So down low I expect it`ll be pretty easy to beat. Also, it`ll still take SKILL to fly.

I`m just waiting for the "Why does my TA-152 fight crap at low-altitude? Why doesn`t it fly like a UFO? Why did I get shot down? Waaaaah!"

But when flown properly I will be certainly worried. I remember the first time I took on a well-flown D9- ZOOOOOOM! BAnG! I`m going down in bits.

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ASH at S-MART
02-28-2004, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
HeHe, those poor P-51s looked like clay pigeons at a shooting range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not going to be a good idea to engage the Ta-152H up high.

Looks like the roll rate and turn rate are quite good as well. And the 30mm nose cannon... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
02-28-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:

My good man, for you and the other fellows itching to try it, I will happily run a dedicated server featuring the plane. Based on what I've seen from the object viewer, the awesome video of it in flight and some deductive reasoning, I really don't think it will be uber, so I'd feel safe letting it in game personally.

In the OV, it really seems like the K4 will outperform it up to 7k in everything except turn rate, so if people can live with the K4 I don't see an issue with the TA152.

As for historical accuracy, thats a valid point but there are few servers strict on that, so I think the plane will be pretty widely used. If you like, I'd be delighted to run a full switch semi/ historical planeset just for the fun of it.


And I am really dying to try it out, based on some theories I have from the OV and the current D9 performance.


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ElfunkoI
02-28-2004, 10:35 AM
Ta-152 looks great. If it has ame elevator authority as other 190s at high speeds, with improved gunsite view its gonna be smooth sailing.

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robban75
02-28-2004, 10:37 AM
Why should the Ta 152H suck down low? It's faster than most fighters even at "beerbottle height", it will turn pretty good, it has great acceleration and climbrate, it's rollrate will be ok, kind of like the P-51's. Which is good enough. The Ta 152 was mostly used down low in RL, the pilots were very impressed by its speed and manouverability. It was good enough to dispatch Yak's, Tempests, and Mustangs down low. So I think that it having poor low alt performance is just a myth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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ASH at S-MART
02-28-2004, 10:43 AM
WOW.. just watched the vid.. That Ta pilot should be dam glad those were AI pilots he was making thos HO passes on... And the rear shots were not all that impressive either! But I do like what they did with the gun sight!! It looks much better now!! Is that going to be done to the existing Fw190s??

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Jirozaemon
02-28-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_SMART:
WOW.. just watched the vid.. That Ta pilot should be dam glad those were AI pilots he was making thos HO passes on... And the rear shots were not all that impressive either! But I do like what they did with the gun sight!! It looks much better now!! Is that going to be done to the existing Fw190s??

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As far as I know the gunsight is changed for all german fighters...

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SeaFireLIV
02-28-2004, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by robban75:
Why should the Ta 152H suck down low? It's faster than most fighters even at "beerbottle height", it will turn pretty good, it has great acceleration and climbrate, it's rollrate will be ok, kind of like the P-51's. Which is good enough. The Ta 152 was mostly used down low in RL, the pilots were very impressed by its speed and manouverability. It was good enough to dispatch Yak's, Tempests, and Mustangs down low. So I think that it having poor low alt performance is just a myth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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You may be right, but I`m surmising (in a logical fashion), since the Germans also made a Ta 152C specifically for low altitude, so TA- 152 couldn`t have been that good down low. I guess you`ll be ok if you B&Z in it, of course. The C version barely made it out of the test phase.... then the war ended.

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ElfunkoI
02-28-2004, 11:46 AM
I see it like this.

Ta-152H was used down low to great extend. They furthered the design for a low alt Ta-152 to perform THAT MUCH BETTER than the Ta-152. But anyway, I don't care beyond this post, we will show you ingame when it comes out.

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robban75
02-28-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
You may be right, but I`m surmising (in a logical fashion), since the Germans also made a Ta 152C specifically for low altitude, so TA- 152 couldn`t have been that good down low. I guess you`ll be ok if you B&Z in it, of course. The C version barely made it out of the test phase.... then the war ended.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that the Ta 152H was probably the better "mix it up" fighter, with its relatively low wingloading, whereas the Ta 152C would have been an outstanding hit'n run fighter. Very high speed, and 4 x 20mm MG151's, and 1 x 30mm Mk 108! Its wingloading was insanely high, probably higher than on any other fighter. I guess it wouldn't have had much problems diving with Tempests and T-bolts though!
It was underpowered IMO but there were some interesting Jumo projects that would have changed that drastically! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Korolov
02-28-2004, 11:54 AM
This one will definately make late war bomber interceptions interesting. Throw in P-51D-20s and some B-17s, and it should get pretty wild.

I still want drop tanks for the D-9, A-8, and A-9 though.

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