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taiterbud
08-12-2004, 11:08 AM
I've had the game for about 4 months now and have just started venturing online quite a bit. I love the co-op missions. Anyway, it has become apparent to me that there are 2 types of people flying. There is the pilot who loves video games and the challenge of online gameplay. The fact that it is a world war II sim is just a side note, and they may know a little bit here and there about airplanes, but it is not thier life. Then there is the aviation and world war II buffs who dedicate alot of enjoyable time learning about and just eat up any media associated with WWII aviation. They most likely hold a pilot's license and are very knowledgable. These are the kind of people that cry at an airshow when a warbird flys by. Is anyone following me?? Anyway, I fall into the latter category. How about you, and why?

taiterbud
08-12-2004, 11:08 AM
I've had the game for about 4 months now and have just started venturing online quite a bit. I love the co-op missions. Anyway, it has become apparent to me that there are 2 types of people flying. There is the pilot who loves video games and the challenge of online gameplay. The fact that it is a world war II sim is just a side note, and they may know a little bit here and there about airplanes, but it is not thier life. Then there is the aviation and world war II buffs who dedicate alot of enjoyable time learning about and just eat up any media associated with WWII aviation. They most likely hold a pilot's license and are very knowledgable. These are the kind of people that cry at an airshow when a warbird flys by. Is anyone following me?? Anyway, I fall into the latter category. How about you, and why?

PBNA-Boosher
08-12-2004, 11:19 AM
I fall into the latter category as well. WW2 aviation is my passion. I have been a bit lax on it for awhile due to personal reasons. (I fell in love with someone and may have lost her.) I am still a teenager, 17 years old. However my knowledge of ww2 aviation and my interests often far surpass most of my colleagues. I have spent many years reading and soaking up the information.
I fly this sim because it puts me in the seat of some of the most classic warbirds of the time. You can see the gunsight, see the stick move, the rudder pedals, the gauges... You can almost smell the leather of your flight jacket, and the old rusty smell of aging metal. I don't cry often, though I have recently. I don't cry when I see a warbird fly by, but I do feel proud.
These were the times. Rough and rugged boys seldom more than a few years older than me comandeered ships that weighed more than 2 tons and flew through the sky at 400 miles an hour, all for the glory of freedom and sacrifice, to protect their families from a horrible fate. I want to feel that pain, that burden. I want to know what it felt like for them. Right now, this is the closest I can come to it, so I will use it.

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basdirks
08-12-2004, 11:40 AM
mix of both, i love online gaming but i also love aeroplanes.

MEGILE
08-12-2004, 11:40 AM
I am definatly a category A person http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
08-12-2004, 11:51 AM
Hmm, which catagory would spending alot of money on 1/48 scale aircraft and buying aftermarket pieces to get it to look as authentice as possible, buying books to get the refernces on the scale aircraft, upgrading my computer to play FB at a good pace, fall under. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But I fall into both. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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arcadeace
08-12-2004, 11:56 AM
Even though your catagories are generalizations it seems to me there's a lot of members who more or less fall into either one. I'm more of the former. I'm not into every detail but I've always had a healthy regard, even love for the WWII generation and the unity of purpose honoring good vs evil in my country. Also, it was when man still had considerable control over machine - it being a simple extension of one's own actions. And the piston aircraft by their design limitations had uniqueness, even individuality in which I can easily identify.

Dunkelgrun
08-12-2004, 12:13 PM
2nd category. By no means an expert but still an aviation junkie (esp WW2). There are no other sims/games on my PC except FS2004.
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Yellonet
08-12-2004, 12:45 PM
I'm right in the middle of those categories. I love Nintendo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and I play almost all types of games. I'm really interested in aircraft but not a nerd in any way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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El Turo
08-12-2004, 01:06 PM
I'm more of the latter, I guess. I do have my pilot's license, although I don't cry at airshows (unless I throw on too much sourkraut on my hotdog, maybe!) I enjoy the attempt at recreating a WWII-era aerial engagement via simulation.

Buying the best WWII-era flight simulation on the planet and playing on limited realism/simulation settings ("arcade" mode) to me is a lot like intentionally buying and drinking near-beer. What's the point? All of the sick, bloated feeling with none of the buzz? Maybe once in a great while for the novelty and laughs, but that's about it.

/snobbery

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BuzZz_WG
08-12-2004, 01:07 PM
I fall somewhere in between. I have times that I see IL-2 as a game and I have times that I feel like the pilots must have felt back then.

Online I see it as a game. Especially in servers with non-historical planesets and not a real mission to fly. But when I play the Battle of Brittain or the invasion of the USSR, I loose myself. It's the story and the setting around a mission that counts and adds to the immersion.

For WW2 information. I always wanted it all. Infantry, airplanes, strategies and weapons. I don't live for WW2, but I see it as my favourite hobby. A man's got to do something in his spare time.

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LilHorse
08-12-2004, 03:00 PM
I definately fall into the latter catagory. It's my love of aviation and particularly WWII avaition that draws me to the game. If this and other WWII aviation sims didn't exist I'd never waste my time (or deprive myself of sleep) on any other comp./ vid. games. All other comp. games (except the simplest ones that are used to pass a little time ie. Snood) are a waste of time and drive space IMHO.

Bearcat99
08-12-2004, 03:16 PM
I definitely fall into the second category. I have loved aircraft since I can remember. I have always had a love of history since I learned how to read. For me this is a no brainer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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taiterbud
08-12-2004, 03:28 PM
For you "latter category" guys who love the realism and history, where do you guys play online. I have found that the coop missions are the most realistic and frankly the most fun in my opinion. On hyperlobby I played a couple coop missions done by Renagade which were alot of fun. Where else can I turn to find realistic coop missions? BTW, thanks for your comments its really interesting to see the differences in all the flyers out there.

VMF114_Spyder
08-12-2004, 03:37 PM
Well i fall into both categories actually. I'm 18 years old and i Have been playing flight sims since i was 13. And in 9th grade I became a WW2 fanatic, and i was introduced to combatsims.....I've been playing since red baron 1. I do collect WW2 pics and other stuff. I dont have my pilot's license, but i am going into the airforce after college. Then there is the other side of me, the side that can't stop playing MOH, Unreal tournament 2004, and Doom 3. But i do have a life and a girlfriend....to tell you the truth if u saw me in the street, you would have no idea I played these games.

blairgowrie
08-12-2004, 03:43 PM
That is a perspective observation taiterbud and I think you are right. Before FB I had little interest in computers or gaming. I do have have a pilot's license but not currently active. I have had a strong interest in WW2 aircraft since childhood. Also I had close family members who flew in WW2.

I sometimes fly Lomac but it doesn't hold the same interest for me as FB. Once in a while I try CFS3, but not often. Once they get a Tempest in FB, I may give up on CFS3 entirely.

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CPS_Lav69
08-12-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I fall into the latter category as well. WW2 aviation is my passion. I have been a bit lax on it for awhile due to personal reasons. (I fell in love with someone and may have lost her.) I am still a teenager, 17 years old. However my knowledge of ww2 aviation and my interests often far surpass most of my colleagues. I have spent many years reading and soaking up the information.
I fly this sim because it puts me in the seat of some of the most classic warbirds of the time. You can see the gunsight, see the stick move, the rudder pedals, the gauges... You can almost smell the leather of your flight jacket, and the old rusty smell of aging metal. I don't cry often, though I have recently. I don't cry when I see a warbird fly by, but I do feel proud.
These were the times. Rough and rugged boys seldom more than a few years older than me comandeered ships that weighed more than 2 tons and flew through the sky at 400 miles an hour, all for the glory of freedom and sacrifice, to protect their families from a horrible fate. I want to feel that pain, that burden. I want to know what it felt like for them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Targ
08-12-2004, 04:17 PM
I have always been a Grognard at heart and love military strategy type games.
Before computers it was board games than computers came along!!
Flight sims didnt interest me until IL2 came along.
The possiblitlies of this sim are endless, and as CPU power increases and hopefully the commmunity makes progress in the virtual online wars I can see a long shelve life for the IL2 series.

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Maj_Death
08-12-2004, 04:30 PM
I love aviation and military stuff. So combat flight sims such as FB/AEP are my type of thing. I like video games too, but I mostly play flight sims for the simulation of flight. I have mechwarrior 4 and stuff of that nature to satisfy my hunger for totally unrealistic smashy smashy.

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Zatorski
08-12-2004, 04:36 PM
that not a bad topic taiterbud,
When on-line I try to taxi correctly on the tarmac, take off, fly and manage my plane with some professionalism, and engage when I am in a superior position and can feel safe. I guess I'm the latter of your examples.

Its easy to spot the gamers who are just playing a game. They roar off across runways to get in the air right away and keep it at 500m at WEP and get into a furball and chase other planes around until they run out of ammo. Those pilots usually refer to themselves as "Aces"

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Dunkelgrun
08-12-2004, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by taiterbud:
For you "latter category" guys who love the realism and history, where do you guys play online. I have found that the coop missions are the most realistic and frankly the most fun in my opinion. On hyperlobby I played a couple coop missions done by Renagade which were alot of fun. Where else can I turn to find realistic coop missions? BTW, thanks for your comments its really interesting to see the differences in all the flyers out there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Best thing to do is join a squad. There are loads that try to create 'realistic' scenarios. Some take it more seriously than others but really they're all in it for fun. Check a few squadron websites in the Squadrons board http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=48310655 and you should find one for you.
Cheers!

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wayno7777
08-12-2004, 05:03 PM
Definately the latter. Been an airplane nut since the age of 4. I did get tears in my eyes when Glacier Girl took off for the first time in 60 years. P-38 most favorite plane. Also get a little emotional when hearing about WWII pilots passing and warbirds crashing. Have many books and magazines on aviation. Was a UH-1H crewchief in the Army. Played EAW for a long time until playing the demo of IL-2. Had to get the game! Used to watch 12 O'clock High. And devour any vids and movies of the period.

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GT182
08-12-2004, 05:22 PM
I guess I'd fall in both catagories it seems. I'm 54 years young but I love the old warbirds and flying WWII sims.

I had an uncle that was a bombardier in a B17F during WWII. That and B17 Flying Fortress "The Mighty 8th" got me started. This old pc has been a great educational tool and a great way to meet new people all over the world.

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T_O_A_D
08-12-2004, 06:14 PM
Defenitly the latter for me. This is the only avenue I'll ever come close to flying my dream. Money doesn't grow on trees for me. I might get a pilots liscense and plan too, but I doubt I'll ever get to fly a real WW2 bird.
As far as history goes I took 3 times in High school we moved and I fibbed about what classes I took so I could take it again and again. Then when I went to trade school I took it again as an elective. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Woof603
08-12-2004, 07:00 PM
Oh, very definitely the latter. I grew up in New Zealand right next to a WW2 airfield. In 1942/43 Douglas Dauntless Dive Bombers were staioned there and practised their dive bombing right in our backyard, or so it seemed. Other a/c I remember on the field were Lockheed Hudsons, Hawker Furies, and of course, Tiger Moths. Security must have been pretty lax because I can remember wandering around the airfield almost at will and eventually getting a ride in a Hudson bomber. The pilot had one arm in a plaster cast! I was around twelve or thirteen at the time and I was instantly star struck. So much so I flew for the Royal Canadian Air Force for six years in the fifties in both England and France, then went on to airline flying in the States. Too old for all that jazz now, but the love of airplanes never fades. I still fly them every night in my dreams. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
08-12-2004, 08:09 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Hmmm...I'll categorize myself as the latter....without spilling all the details.

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Dolemite-
08-12-2004, 09:10 PM
I fall into the latter, without the http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif part

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WTE_Galway
08-12-2004, 10:11 PM
what about peopll elike me that like to get into the choppers in BF 'nam and sit and listen to the 60's music on Radio Saigon ?

Dawg-of-death
08-12-2004, 11:03 PM
I am definitely hard core BOTH. It's a no brainer, I'm BOTH. In your 4 months here do you see many of those? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And my story..........I grew up around air craft . Dad was a pilot who also flew R/C and always had a passion for air craft. As a youth I built all the plastic modles, Flew U control, R/C, Graduated to 1/4 and 1/3 scale R/C as an adult. I worked for Lockheed Ca "Skunk works" as a mechanic for four years. I couldnt make the money I wanted or I would still be a Air craft mech . I loved it. I am in the process of getting my Private Pilots Lic(slite delay because my instructor just crashed his cycle and broke his arm) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . I may give up the cycles to own a Piper some day soon. I'd rather have a P-51 but? I have and always have had a passion for A/C.........Hell I watch Discovery Wings every day. LOL You can realy learn alot there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I fly IL2 as an online game. I don't play single play. Coop is OK but you can't refly.LOL It just dosn't interest me to fly with AI. I am a Hard Core Online Gamer. I have a book shelf full of p/c and ps2 titles. I like jakin with p/cs also and actully have learned alot right here tweakin for IL2. I will say I am playing Doom3 single play and enjoying it alot. Online is cool also.

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BaldieJr
08-12-2004, 11:13 PM
Time to go fly an F-16 in FS9 from someplace that doesn't require IFR plan to Hurricane Charles... just to see how real the "real weather is" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't know which of the two I fit into. I just like airplane games I guess.

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Cippacometa
08-13-2004, 08:20 AM
Second category, for sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Also because I don't like to play often online: too much stress!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I'm 36 now and I'm WWII aviation addicted since I was around 11-12 years old, when I spent a lot of time building 1/72 aircraft models and scanning for infos about these warbirds.
The addiction went on throughout the whole school, until I was 18-19; during that period I bought some books and other stuff, and shared this passion with a couple of friends.
After a "detached" period due to university, work, family, etc, I discovered the last generation of WWII flight sims (CFS2, 3 and IL2s). Then, the addiction came back stronger than ever!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Nanuk66
08-13-2004, 09:06 AM
Id pit myself as the same as dawg-of-death.

I regard IL2 as a game but ive always had a love for WW2 anything really. Ive always thought he WW2 flight sims have been the best type of WW2 game.

But i love FPS games. I like to 'frag', 'cap', 'telefrag', 'bunnyhop', 'wall strafe', 'conc', 'rocketjump', 'camp' as much as i can.

It seems alot of peoples hobbies are WW2 flight sims - mine is gaming.

@Boosher: I do worry about you sonny. Although you are 17 you seem to have the whole worlds worries on your shoulders. You really should go down to your local park on a friday or saturday night and get hammered with your m8's, try pulling a tart and experiment with drugs/booze. Dont put all your efforts necessarily into playing online and making Female pilot campaigns m8 (not that im not looking forward to it). You got plenty of time when ur either married (maybe, depending on wife!) or a working batchelor (winstuff) to do all that ****!!

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Aero_Shodanjo
08-13-2004, 09:14 AM
Im always interested in WWII history. Still remember when I saw the pictorial history of WWII series by Time Life, I hold my tears for not being able to buy them... Too d*mn expensive...

As for the aircraft, my father, before he retired, was an Air Force officer. He flew the MiG 15 and later became a navigator of a Tu16 in the 60's. I still remember when he brought me to the Air Force museum when I can touch a P51, B25 and so on, though my country was born shortly after the WWII ended.

As for the sim, my first WWII sim was "Their Finest Hour, the Battle of Britain". Started from there, I'm stuck with WWII flight sim (more challenging and gallantry than just push-a-button-to-launch-missiles-to-destroy-BVR-target's type of modern combat sim), not to mention that I'm also fond of the BoB history. I even still can recall I salute the first AI I managed to shot down in that sim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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