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flyingskid2
02-09-2004, 11:20 AM
There was a thread recently about p-47 tactics against ki-84. The tracks were impressive. I had trouble duplicating the feat even with veteran AI (tells you how crappy i fly). But i wonder, how easily would a ki-84 dispose of ace p-47 AIs? I assume it would be no trouble at all, since ki-84 is more maneuverable and AI is not that smart.

I would love to see a track of a Ki-84 against, say, 8 ace p-47s, if anyone would like to make it (please).

flyingskid2
02-09-2004, 11:20 AM
There was a thread recently about p-47 tactics against ki-84. The tracks were impressive. I had trouble duplicating the feat even with veteran AI (tells you how crappy i fly). But i wonder, how easily would a ki-84 dispose of ace p-47 AIs? I assume it would be no trouble at all, since ki-84 is more maneuverable and AI is not that smart.

I would love to see a track of a Ki-84 against, say, 8 ace p-47s, if anyone would like to make it (please).

JorBR
02-09-2004, 11:29 AM
I don´t use to fly against P-47´s, and never on it, so far I rate it as a sitting duck. It´s a sole B&Z fighter wich the AI definitely doesn´t know how to handle, AI planes have a tendency to fight low and slow at high AOA, specially in Ace mode. Fatal in a Jug.

Same problem with the Me262.

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Jirozaemon
02-09-2004, 11:45 AM
@ JorBR

The P47 is a lame duck, that´s true. Even for B&Z it is way too slow. Okay, you can win against a Zero or an Emil that way, but try this against a 109 Fritz or a Focke Wulf 190 and your plane will turn into a flying bullethole.

Regards

Jiro

Magister__Ludi
02-09-2004, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
I don´t use to fly against P-47´s, and never on it, so far I rate it as a sitting duck. It´s a sole B&Z fighter wich the AI definitely doesn´t know how to handle, AI planes have a tendency to fight low and slow at high AOA, specially in Ace mode. Fatal in a Jug.

Same problem with the Me262.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I agree for P-47, but Me-262 is deadly even if you try to counter in a proper way. People got very good on it fast. That's why is banned everywhere.

M0NS
02-09-2004, 01:55 PM
Hypothetically I could bring down about 2783 P47s I'd say in a single flight - if every shot is a headshot that passes through & kills 3 more guys flyng line abreast & who then rams into the formation below & my empty shells falling into the remaining planes' radiators... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

S!

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Vladimir_No2
02-09-2004, 03:06 PM
I would guess that you could destroy ~.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 1058209749445923078164062862
08998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844 6095505822317253594081284811
17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 8109756659334461284756482337
86783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213 3936072602491412737245870066
06315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360 0113305305488204665213841469
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90927210797509302955321165344987202755960236480665 4991198818347977535663698074
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41441973568548161361157352552133475741849468438523 3239073941433345477624168625
18983569485562099219222184272550254256887671790494 6016534668049886272327917860
85784383827967976681454100953883786360950680064225 1252051173929848960841284886
26945604241965285022210661186306744278622039194945 0471237137869609563643719172
87467764657573962413890865832645995813390478027590 0994657640789512694683983525 before you ran out of ammo.

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Vladimir_No2
02-09-2004, 03:06 PM
blast, I forgot the 3

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p1ngu666
02-09-2004, 03:11 PM
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well, say u could destroy a p47 with 1 bullet, u gotta fire 2 at once, manic experten i surpose could use 100 convergance, and the 2 bullets diverge enuff for it too hit pilot or sumin.
so 1 per round, plus say 2 as u kamikaze between em..
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oh and 1 for your rudder too

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kyrule2
02-09-2004, 03:12 PM
With the P-47's DM I would say..maybe...one.

The P-47 is now tougher than the IL-2, it takes a ridiculous amount of punishment. Actually it is one of the tougher planes in the game, fighter or bomber. Yet the big radial engine seems fairly fragile http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif . I would like to see the Thunderbolt's engine take more punishment but be a little less tough otherwise.

The P-47's AI is just flat out brutal (in a bad way).

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tttiger
02-09-2004, 06:33 PM
LOL, lemme see if I can guess which posters on this thread fly LW and which fly Allied http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

JorBR
02-10-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
I don´t use to fly against P-47´s, and never on it, so far I rate it as a sitting duck. It´s a sole B&Z fighter wich the AI definitely doesn´t know how to handle, AI planes have a tendency to fight low and slow at high AOA, specially in Ace mode. Fatal in a Jug.

Same problem with the Me262.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I agree for P-47, but Me-262 is deadly even if you try to counter in a proper way. People got very good on it fast. That's why is banned everywhere.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but I was talking about AI Me262.Btw, is there someone flying P-47s on/offline? Is this that bad? Anyway I ´m going to give it a try.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

Tully__
02-10-2004, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vladimir_No2:
I would guess that you could destroy ~.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 1058209749445923078164062862
08998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844 6095505822317253594081284811
17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 8109756659334461284756482337
86783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213 3936072602491412737245870066
06315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360 0113305305488204665213841469
51941511609433057270365759591953092186117381932611 7931051185480744623799627495
67351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656 6430860213949463952247371907
02179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669 4051320005681271452635608277
85771342757789609173637178721468440901224953430146 5495853710507922796892589235
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53787593751957781857780532171226806613001927876611 1959092164201989380952572010
65485863278865936153381827968230301952035301852968 9957736225994138912497217752
83479131515574857242454150695950829533116861727855 8890750983817546374649393192
55060400927701671139009848824012858361603563707660 1047101819429555961989467678
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62056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496 4732639141992726042699227967
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90927210797509302955321165344987202755960236480665 4991198818347977535663698074
26542527862551818417574672890977772793800081647060 0161452491921732172147723501
41441973568548161361157352552133475741849468438523 3239073941433345477624168625
18983569485562099219222184272550254256887671790494 6016534668049886272327917860
85784383827967976681454100953883786360950680064225 1252051173929848960841284886
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87467764657573962413890865832645995813390478027590 0994657640789512694683983525 before you ran out of ammo.

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Tully__
02-10-2004, 06:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vladimir_No2:
blast, I forgot the 3<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aha, there's most of the rest of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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