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biggs222
02-07-2004, 02:03 AM
as Kovolov said i am posting this in ORR..

ok it looks great finally seeing it(spit mkV) in the game, but im sorry the cockpit shot is wrong, the horizontal bars in the cockpit(the bars that attach the windshield armor with the back ot the front canopy) is wrong it should not be there at all. those horizontal bars are only in the mkIX and later cockpits. just take a look for urself, look at the external picture of the cockpit and look at the interior, u'll see that the horizontal bars are there in the interior but arent in the exterior, big glaring mistake!!!...oh well, at least its in the game......hopefully im not the only one to catch this mistake.

please bump with pics... this needs to be fixed

biggs222
02-07-2004, 02:03 AM
as Kovolov said i am posting this in ORR..

ok it looks great finally seeing it(spit mkV) in the game, but im sorry the cockpit shot is wrong, the horizontal bars in the cockpit(the bars that attach the windshield armor with the back ot the front canopy) is wrong it should not be there at all. those horizontal bars are only in the mkIX and later cockpits. just take a look for urself, look at the external picture of the cockpit and look at the interior, u'll see that the horizontal bars are there in the interior but arent in the exterior, big glaring mistake!!!...oh well, at least its in the game......hopefully im not the only one to catch this mistake.

please bump with pics... this needs to be fixed

starfighter1
02-07-2004, 02:16 AM
hi,
here the pics...and have a look to the type of gyroscope 'gibbage' designed and the pic of Duxford museum (re netwing.org discussion )

info:http://paparomeo.freeyellow.com/sighttable.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%202.jpg


+ refraction:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%201.jpg

http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif

WUAF_Badsight
02-07-2004, 02:36 AM
http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif

blabla0001
02-07-2004, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starfighter1:
hi,
here the pics...and have a look to the type of gyroscope 'gibbage' designed and the pic of Duxford museum (re netwing.org discussion )

info:http://paparomeo.freeyellow.com/sighttable.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%202.jpg


+ refraction:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%201.jpg

http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those pics from the Duxform Museum are from a Spitfire IX btw.

And maybe you didn't notice but the cockpit pic is full zoom out mode with the Shift + F1 pressed to get the mirror in the shot.

Do the same in the Hurricane and it also looks rather weird.

I would wait a bit and see how it looks in normal view or normal wide view before you judge if it's wrong or not.

Hurricane pit normal wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp02.jpg

Hurricane with Shift + F1 wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp01.jpg

blabla0001
02-07-2004, 03:58 AM
And Gibbage didn't design the gyroscope, Gernonimo did since he build the cockpit for the Spits.

Extreme_One
02-07-2004, 04:44 AM
What???

A whine about a plane that none of us have actually seen in-game yet!

Let's wait and see shall we?

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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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SeaFireLIV
02-07-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
What???

A whine about a plane that none of us have actually seen in-game yet!

Let's wait and see shall we?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, very strange...
Maybe they have access to more information than we know.

SeaFireLIV...

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Willey
02-07-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
Hurricane pit normal wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp02.jpg

Hurricane with Shift + F1 wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp01.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mixed them up... the "back" one is normal view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BTW there's another graphics bug.
http://www.il2sturmovik.de/fb_development.php

Those Hispanos are way too long... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 06:17 AM
Gee Biggs better take a look at some more Spit V pics.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Am looking at a Spit V of the USAAF, ER120. Guess what, it has the bars you say are not suppose to be there.

Another pic of a SAAF Spit v, R*DB, has those bars as well.

And another pic of AZ*B with those bars.

And another pic of RF*M, AR335, with those bars.

So some did and some did not. Gib's model passes inspection on that count.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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blabla0001
02-07-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
Hurricane pit normal wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp02.jpg

Hurricane with Shift + F1 wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp01.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mixed them up... the "back" one is normal view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BTW there's another graphics bug.
http://www.il2sturmovik.de/fb_development.php

Those Hispanos are way too long... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In relation to the way the GUNSIGHT is positioned and since the post I replied was about the GUNSIGHT and the way it is positioned my note on "normal" view is 100% correct.

You are right about the length of the cannons, but it's not off by that much.

http://www.le-spitfire.com/fond4.htm

MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:

BTW there's another graphics bug.
http://www.il2sturmovik.de/fb_development.php

Those Hispanos are way too long... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For sure, they look that way. They should not extend past the front exhaust stub.

Only thing I can think of is they are H-S Mk Is.

barrel length 67.5"(Mk I) and 52.5"(Mk V)



Long live the Horse Clans.

blabla0001
02-07-2004, 06:52 AM
As far as I know the Hispano MKV where not common on the Spitfire V's and IX's, not sure about the XIV's though.

This is a pic of a MKV and I don't think this one has the MKV Hispano's fitted to it.

Pic here: http://www.le-spitfire.com/fond4.htm

MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 07:00 AM
Some drawings(accurancy????)

http://www.aviacherteg.narod.ru/avia/Drawings/WWII/WWII_RAF/Spitfire/Spit_ATL/Spit-V_ATL.htm

Can't dl them as the site says it is still down for maintainance.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (for several months now)



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starfighter1
02-07-2004, 07:15 AM
hi,
yes indeed, let's wait for a update in gunsight view.

anyway:in general we have problem with this 'gnomish camera view system in game engine'
and the overframed design of armored windscreens and the bar/struts in many planes. Some more some less.

we are flying always with no windscreens but with overmodelled struts/bars and no perspective over the cowle in many cockpits of some planes which have more advanced view in real than in this view system of FB.
Only the IL-2 cockpit view modelling is more to real things.
By the way: in real the pilot of IL-2 is sitting a little more in a higher position than in game.
Anyway: time to patch the view in more planes than in the FW-190 as a very bad example of view bug.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by starfighter1:
hi,
here the pics...and have a look to the type of gyroscope 'gibbage' designed and the pic of Duxford museum (re netwing.org discussion )


+ refraction:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%201.jpg

http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those pics from the Duxform Museum are from a Spitfire IX btw.

And maybe you didn't notice but the cockpit pic is full zoom out mode with the Shift + F1 pressed to get the mirror in the shot.

Do the same in the Hurricane and it also looks rather weird.

I would wait a bit and see how it looks in normal view or normal wide view before you judge if it's wrong or not.

Hurricane pit normal wide view:


Hurricane with Shift + F1 wide view:

http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif

VW-IceFire
02-07-2004, 07:30 AM
Actually last night I spent some considerable time searching through books and images of Spitfire V's and IX's and then comparing the struts on the cockpit. As it turns out, although it doesn't seem to be documented anywhere I could find...about half of the V's have the struts and the other half don't. Now there is a possibility of misidentification but with the volume of pictures and the identification by authors of serial numbers of various aircraft and my assumption that they got it right at least 90% of the time (on a book about Spits, you'd think that'd be so).

So I don't see this as being a problem.

As far as Hispano V's...I think the Tempest was the only RAF fighter to employ the Mark V cannon in serial production. I think any Spitfire with them was likely a modification or a testbed for later. Probably reasoning was around the fact that the Tempest could accomodate the entire cannon inside the wing and game some aerodynamics while the Spitfire would still have the cannon protruding.

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biggs222
02-07-2004, 08:16 AM
guys u dont seem to understand what im saying.

this isnt an issue of historical accuracy. all of u are right, the mkV had 2 different kinds of front armor.

its just that the one in the update shows an exterior shot of the "old" front armor without the bars and has a in-cockpit view for the same plane but with the bars. it just doesnt match up, thats all.

blabla0001
02-07-2004, 08:30 AM
There are more planes in this game that have some minor detail differences between external and cockpit view.

I don't see the big problem with it.

To post a thread with an alarming title like this: "OLEG please fix ASAP!!! SPITFIRE mkV!!!" is a bit overdone if you ask me.

JG53-Falkster
02-07-2004, 08:30 AM
according to the FW190 and the "olegschen" physicallightlaws the spit should have a bar like this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, so you can be more than happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/varia/spit.jpg

VF-17_WOODMAN
02-07-2004, 09:13 AM
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Grinberg/spit5/orig_spit5vvs.jpg
As this shot shows the length of the cannon barrels also depends on the angle your looking at(just a small point) Lets at least wait until the Spit gets here before moaning about it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I think you should have thought about the post title as well..........

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VW-IceFire
02-07-2004, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
guys u dont seem to understand what im saying.

this isnt an issue of historical accuracy. all of u are right, the mkV had 2 different kinds of front armor.

its just that the one in the update shows an exterior shot of the "old" front armor without the bars and has a in-cockpit view for the same plane but with the bars. it just doesnt match up, thats all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think we've got similar troubles on all sorts of other planes. I think some pointed that out on some Bf 109 versions and whatnot...meh whatever. Its not going to bother me much...historical accuracy is great and if its significant yeah thats a big deal but at this point it doesn't even matter to me.

If it had been caught (and maybe some of you really picky people should go to the Netwings forums) earlier in development it'd be easy...at this point the impact is miniscule and the need slight. Its certainly not on the level of PLEASE FIX ASAP SPITFIRE!

Its more a "Minor bug sighted on the Spitfire Mark V - I thought I should point it out." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
02-07-2004, 12:25 PM
I still say Biggs222 is full of BS and is STILL trying to make the Spit the way HE wants it. Its in Oleg's hands now. I dont care anymore. I have had enough "That rivit is in the wrong place" BS on this project. Its beginning to sour my want to model for FB at all.

WUAF_Badsight
02-07-2004, 12:44 PM
its a little more important than a wrong rivet

ITS ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT VIEW IN FB

the frontal view thru the gunsite

A.K.Davis
02-07-2004, 12:48 PM
Gibbage, to be fair, I think his point is simply that the internal cockpit model does not match the external model. At first I thought a Mk. IX cockpit shot may have been put in the update, but you can tell it is the Mk. V's cockpit because of the cannons. It is a minor error that I'm sure can be easily corrected. The bars the extend to the right and left of the center glass panel just need to be added to the external. You can see the bars here:

http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_fb_dev/02-12/Spitfire8.jpg

But they are not present on the external here:

http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_fb_dev/02-12/Spitfire3.jpg

I think the general consensus is that some Mk. V's had the bars so that is not the problem. Nothing but a tiny modelling error.

--AKD

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biggs222
02-07-2004, 12:50 PM
gib, the more u talk the more ignorant u sound.

just read this, read it and look at the pictures posted on the german update, just look gib, "...just take a look for urself, look at the external picture of the cockpit and look at the interior, u'll see that the horizontal bars are there in the interior but arent in the exterior..."

and btw i know its out of ur hands gib, this is ORR not GRR.

*edit*- thank u badsight, thank u AKDavis, thank u for showing gibb the freakin light.

VW-IceFire
02-07-2004, 12:55 PM
Really...do you guys want a Spitfire at all? Do you want people to do modeling without being harrased, insulted, accused of all numbers of things, and then raked over the coals again?

The vast majority of us appreciate the work that Gibbage and the Netwings crew have done in the last few months. Without them...no Spitfire, no P-38...no P-63 and so on and so forth.

If you want it better Biggs...please go ahead and do it yourself. I hope that Gibbage will allow your comments to roll off of him and he can continue on doing some fantastic work for the rest of us.

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tagert
02-07-2004, 12:59 PM
WOW.. I thought I was picky! Some of you guys kill me! I mean.. would you turn down a date with a super model because her hair looks shorting now then it did in the Mag you use to wank to? Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzsh!

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biggs222
02-07-2004, 01:02 PM
icefire i am just defending myself from gibb's personal attcks on me. and i dont even know why hes getting all huffy about it , he didnt even make the cockpit, it was jeronimo. and just for the record i think the cockpit is excellent looking, and i do appreciate gibbs contributions to FB, so id appreciate it if u wouldnt make comments like that about me.

VW-IceFire
02-07-2004, 02:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
icefire i am just defending myself from gibb's personal attcks on me. and i dont even know why hes getting all huffy about it , he didnt even make the cockpit, it was jeronimo. and just for the record i think the cockpit is excellent looking, and i do appreciate gibbs contributions to FB, so id appreciate it if u wouldnt make comments like that about me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its always a two channel system of communication. Gibbage doesn't get too riled up unless someone else helps him get there. You may not mean to...but in these and other posts you take a fairly harsh manner and use certain types of charged words that can be exchanged for other ones that would not provoke the same response.

I try to approach any topic with a level of understanding and make sure I'm not trying to bash people. In this instance I would approach the topic in a different light. I would point out that I was looking at the great screen shots of the Spitfire and I noticed an inconsistancy that may be worth fixing. Comparing the cockpit to external there appears to be a bar missing. This with an appropriately themed title would go a long way to some kind of equally polie response probably saying "ooops...a bit of a goof but its unlikely to be fixed".

The use of capital letters is like yelling and the use of charged sounding sentences "like PLEASE FIX ASAP!!!!" with multiple exclamation marks goes a long way to establishing your tone and its not coming across as polite, concerned, or appreciative. Just the opposite.

Try a different approach and you'll find that Gibbage won't be at all upset about this topic or others despite the fact that the end question is exactly the same.

(I should probably teach a class on how to post on forum and not get people pissed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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Korolov
02-07-2004, 03:35 PM
Well, better to have one crazed post in here than to have biggs222 bumping every thread about the Spitfire every 5 minutes.

I can understand the devotion to the plane, but really, do you need to go THAT far?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Wetwilly87
02-07-2004, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starfighter1:
hi,
here the pics...and have a look to the type of gyroscope 'gibbage' designed and the pic of Duxford museum (re netwing.org discussion )

info:http://paparomeo.freeyellow.com/sighttable.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%202.jpg


+ refraction:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rcma/Spitfire%20Gun%20Sight%201.jpg

http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/thunderbird.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those pics from the Duxform Museum are from a Spitfire IX btw.

And maybe you didn't notice but the cockpit pic is full zoom out mode with the Shift + F1 pressed to get the mirror in the shot.

Do the same in the Hurricane and it also looks rather weird.

I would wait a bit and see how it looks in normal view or normal wide view before you judge if it's wrong or not.

Hurricane pit normal wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp02.jpg

Hurricane with Shift + F1 wide view:

http://www.cappadocian.demon.nl/IL2temp01.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know whats missing from the Hurricane cockpit dont you? THE MIRROR!!, OLEG FIX THAT TOO.

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JG53Frankyboy
02-07-2004, 06:44 PM
well ,perhaps is maddox changing the Sightdistance from 200m (like from IL2 relase till FB 1.22) to 100m !? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

we will see

Oso2323
02-07-2004, 08:13 PM
Hey guys - let's try to stay on topic here. The internal cockpit model does not match the external model. Small oversight, and it's easy enough to pretend either way while you're playing - but it should be fixed in a patch.

P.S. Wetwilly87 - The Hurricane does have a mirror. You have to toggle it - check the game control panel.

MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
as Kovolov said i am posting this in ORR..

ok it looks great finally seeing it(spit mkV) in the game, but im sorry the cockpit shot is wrong, the horizontal bars in the cockpit(the bars that attach the windshield armor with the back ot the front canopy) is wrong it should not be there at all. those horizontal bars are only in the mkIX and later cockpits. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if you were saying the internal and external graphic did not match, why did you say the above? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



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WUAF_Badsight
02-07-2004, 08:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wetwilly87:
You know whats missing from the Hurricane cockpit dont you? THE MIRROR!!, OLEG FIX THAT TOO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


the Hurricane has a mirror but it doesnt show inside untill you turn the mirror on

Wetwilly87
02-07-2004, 08:45 PM
P.S. Wetwilly87 - The Hurricane does have a mirror. You have to toggle it - check the game control panel.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for proving im a moron.

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LEXX_Luthor
02-07-2004, 08:53 PM
So, does this mean No Spit over the Addon?

ns = no spit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Well that's very helpful Biggs. Thanks a lot pal.

Gibbage:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Its beginning to sour my want to model for FB at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> *bah* if you mod Biplane fighters, people won't even notice a wing missing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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VW-IceFire
02-07-2004, 09:01 PM
No worries...its good that Oleg doesn't listen all the time. Otherwise we'd be in big trouble http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mmmmm a missing wing bi-plane...I've searched all over for these. They may even be called...monoplanes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (dripping sarcasm for those who missed it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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biggs222
02-07-2004, 10:03 PM
i doubt the spit will be held up from the addon because of this. this is something that can easily be fixed in a patch. dont worry, u guys'll get ur spits. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-08-2004, 12:40 AM
Okay Biggs. If your right, good eye and good catch on this. Its good to see each plane has a Fan that can spot
something. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I think your title was a little raw, and with the Tension and Stress relentlessly building
within the Community over the Addon (spilling milk on my keyboard now) recently excaberated by
the failure to include the spit in The List, any indication that the spit may be Delayed ignites a Panic and
consequently violent Riot.



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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 02:19 AM
Like I said before, a lot of planes have differences between the external and cockpit views.

None of them where fixed before so this one won't be fixed either.

It's not a big issue at all and personally I don't care and I think the majority don't care either.

Some people just act like their underpants is permanently stuck in their buttcrack.

And WUAF_Badsight, you don't know how it looks through the gunsight since the gunsight view is not showing in that screenshot of the spitfire pit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Compare those shots I posted with the Hurricane and try to visualize it with the screenshot of the Spitfire.

You, like everybody else here can only guess what it looks like with the gunsight view active.

Stop this complaining already........geez.

blabla0001
02-08-2004, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53-Falkster:
according to the FW190 and the "olegschen" physicallightlaws the spit should have a bar like this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, so you can be more than happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/varia/spit.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As for you and your bar, even if the bar was like in your picture it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since the nose is still sticking out above the bar.

Thanks for showing it btw with the red line.

I guess for some people it's hard to spot the obvious.

crazyivan1970
02-08-2004, 06:51 AM
Keep going with this guys... WTG! First Maddox stops showing up here... now Gib will stop modeling. Sweet. All we needed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JimmyGiro
02-08-2004, 06:52 AM
A road sweeper once told me that after 25 years service, he still used the same old brush.

He changed the handle three times, and the head five times; but it was the SAME old brush.

Extreme_One
02-08-2004, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimmyGiro:
A road sweeper once told me that after 25 years service, he still used the same old brush.

He changed the handle three times, and the head five times; but it was the SAME old brush.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Watching a repeat of "Only Fools and Horses" last night were you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 07:15 AM
It's funny actually that the one who started posting about the bar was a Axis player.

Nobody even mentioned it but he has to come and drag the FW bar discussion into this thread as well.

This is really getting sad.

Stop your moaning already and be happy that we finally getting the Spitfire in this great sim.

So it has a few minor differences with the external compared to the cockpit view, the IL2 has a bar running over your head when your in the cockpit but it's not showing in the external view.

Why aren't you crying about that too Biggs?

There are far more differences between external and cockpit view on a lot of planes.

Big f*cking deal.

Are you this picky with everything Biggs?

If so I really feel sorry for you, you must be one complicated person.

SeaFireLIV
02-08-2004, 07:26 AM
Yes this pre-Spitfire whining is beyond silly. I don`t want the Spit cancelled at the very moment we`re about to get it.

I`m sure some people whine just to be `first` on something!

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SeaFireLIV
02-08-2004, 04:06 PM
Ok, I apologise for doubting Biggs (the original poster). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifLooks like Biggs was right after all! How do they get info so quick, even before release?

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biggs222
02-08-2004, 04:23 PM
here ya go Seafire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MiloMorai
02-08-2004, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Ok, I apologise for doubting Biggs (the original poster). Looks like Biggs was right after all! How do they get info so quick, even before release? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Biggs was right and wrong.

"ok it looks great finally seeing it(spit mkV) in the game, but im sorry the cockpit shot is wrong, the horizontal bars in the cockpit(the bars that attach the windshield armor with the back ot the front canopy) is wrong it should not be there at all. those horizontal bars are only in the mkIX and later cockpits."

This part is wrong.

"just take a look for urself, look at the external picture of the cockpit and look at the interior, u'll see that the horizontal bars are there in the interior but arent in the exterior, big glaring mistake!!!...oh well, at least its in the game......hopefully im not the only one to catch this mistake."

This part is right, except for the 'big glaring mistake' part.



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02-08-2004, 04:28 PM
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biggs222
02-08-2004, 04:33 PM
whats wrong with my first part?
im talking about the two bars, they dont belong on that mkV version, thats all.

MiloMorai
02-08-2004, 05:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
whats wrong with my first part?
im talking about the two bars, they dont belong on that mkV version, thats all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is NOT what you said. If you are going to raise issues, maybe you should be more specific.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"the horizontal bars in the cockpit(the bars that attach the windshield armor with the back ot the front canopy) is wrong it should not be there at all. those horizontal bars are only in the mkIX and later cockpits."

Only on the Spit XI eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif



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biggs222
02-08-2004, 09:13 PM
nt

biggs222
02-08-2004, 09:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MiloMorai:
That is NOT what you said. If you are going to raise issues, maybe you should be more specific.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok milo do u really want me to get specific? cause i can, if u want me to



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai: Only on the Spit XI eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

uh u mean mkIX... cmon milo lets get it right if ur gonna correct me.

pourshot
02-09-2004, 01:22 AM
Ok it's chill pill time folks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think the reason we have cockpits both with and without the cockpit bars would most likely come down to the fact that many mkV's were converted from older models namely mkI's and MkII's not to mention it was a very numerous mark with many variations and improvments

Now without spending to much time on this it looks like the ones with bars have the armour glass on the in-side and the ones with out the bar has it on the out-side.

The models with external armour glass are most probably the early V's or the one's converted from older MkI & MkII's

Now like I said I did not look to much into this so I may be incorrect.

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mamal
02-09-2004, 03:09 AM
And what do you think about , how is the tail fin connected to the fuselage. Of course it has something to do with number of mesh polygons ... but why this way. The same detail wing-fuselage look beautifully and smooth.

I mean it not as a criticism of Gib or anyone else, but the model of spitfire loose something from its elegance!


Steph

MiloMorai
02-09-2004, 04:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MiloMorai:
That is NOT what you said. If you are going to raise issues, maybe you should be more specific.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok milo do u really want me to get specific? cause i can, if u want me to



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai: Only on the Spit XI eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

uh u mean mkIX... cmon milo lets get it right if ur gonna correct me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup get specific.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Did not know the MkXI was a MkIX with cameras added? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Oh well. Anyway was a typo error, which is no where near as bad as your error that the Mk V did not have those cockpit frames. And, since you are pointing out typo errors what word is "ot"?



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[This message was edited by MiloMorai on Mon February 09 2004 at 03:46 AM.]

pourshot
02-09-2004, 05:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Did not know the MkXI was a MkIX with cameras added <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah the first 15 were IX's quickly converted to PR IX's and the rest all PR XI's.

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