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Comrade_Wubb
01-28-2004, 06:04 AM
Hi, I'm new and really enjoying learning this game but a few things don't work...eg. My gear, on the first career game, wont go up or down and I have to use the Auto pilot to get it to work which doesn't allow me to perfect my shoddy Take offs and landings also I'm pretty sure trim isn't working...or is it so subtle I wouldn't notice anyway?

Another one, How the hell do you fly in formation?

and should I bother downloading the patches yet or are they primarily for on-line pilots?

Thanks

Comrade_Wubb
01-28-2004, 06:04 AM
Hi, I'm new and really enjoying learning this game but a few things don't work...eg. My gear, on the first career game, wont go up or down and I have to use the Auto pilot to get it to work which doesn't allow me to perfect my shoddy Take offs and landings also I'm pretty sure trim isn't working...or is it so subtle I wouldn't notice anyway?

Another one, How the hell do you fly in formation?

and should I bother downloading the patches yet or are they primarily for on-line pilots?

Thanks

Cpt-Madcowz
01-28-2004, 06:07 AM
1) Try manual raise/lower, certain aircraft require this.

2) With great difficulty

3) Yes

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Bansai Potato
01-28-2004, 06:08 AM
I suspect your flying the I16 Rata, if thats the case you have to manually raise and lower the gear on that. Note, you must bind a key to carry out that task.

T_O_A_D
01-28-2004, 06:08 AM
That particular aircraft If memory serves me right is an I-16 It has manual gear you will have to go into your controls and designate 2 keys for them up and down. You have to tapp the keys till the green lights turn red and vice versa landing tap till red lights turn green. The to top it all off read the manual a few more times it's pretty much in there or the readme files in the game folder. Yes by all means DL the patches.

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SeaFireLIV
01-28-2004, 06:09 AM
Hmmm. You forgot to mention what plane you`re flying. Let me use my brain powers of long distance telepathy to guess... hmmmm.

The I16? Like in the picture?

The gears are hand cranked. You need to apply keys to up/down in config in game. Also I16s don`t really have trim. Leave em alone!

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blabla0001
01-28-2004, 06:10 AM
If your flying an I-16 you need to assign 2 keys for manual gear up/down in the settings.

The I-16's didn't had automatic lowering/raising gear.

And update to 1.22, it had a lot nice features and fixes in them.

AlGroover
01-28-2004, 06:16 AM
Sounds like you are flying the I16 Polikarpov which has manually operated gear. You need to assign this through the "controls" section. I have mine assigned to Shift z and Shift / so it's easy to remember. You'll notice a whole lot of other useful 'user defined' stuff in this section. The patches are well worth getting just for the much improved flight and damage models as well as for extra flyable and non-flyable aircraft.

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-28-2004, 06:18 AM
Does it really take 5 guys who say exactly the same? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Anyways, for staying into formation, it is best to engage autopilot to get you in the formation (because the AI can and will cheat on engine HP and a number of other things)

Once in formation, you can switch off the autopilot. However, I always leave it on and switch it off when the action begins.

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michapma
01-28-2004, 06:20 AM
Note on the I-16:

Rata = Spanish for "rat", the name given the I-16 during the Spanish Civil War, and further used by Germans in the Eastern Front--it is clearly a term of disrespect for the aircraft

Ishak = Russian for "little donkey", obviously a term of affection

We have a thing in my squadron, if someone uses the term Rata he gets ragged on for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Once you have assigned the manual raise and lower gear commands, look down while you are tapping them (over and over) and you will see an animation of the hand crank that the pilots really had to use. They had to turn it over 30 times. As I understand it, they developed a tactic of not raising the gear until 1000m because they so often got bounced right after takeoff and didn't want their pilots being distracted in this vulnerable time by all that cranking.

Formation flying is precision flying. Highly recommended for improving your flying skills, and keep in mind that airmen were able to do this before they saw combat. There is an introductory training track on it here (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/tracks.htm).

Go to http://www.il2sturmovik.com for the latest patch, which is 1.22. It's definitely worth it, as you will get a number of extras besides the various fixes made over the last year. You will want to download the large version, about 122MB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It should be named patch122_over10.exe or something very similar. (1.0 is the unpatched boxed version). Come back here and ask if you have problems installing it.

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SeaFireLIV
01-28-2004, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Does it really take 5 guys who say exactly the same? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm... when I wrote my response I thought I was the first one! I guess everyone else did too. :P

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spiffalski
01-28-2004, 06:34 AM
As to downloading the patches...
They add good stuff definitely but if you are without broadband then buy pczone or some other computer magazine which includes the patch on their covermount dvd. The first patch is over 100Mb which just isnt funny for a dial-up.

Otherwise ask nicely and i'm sure someone will send you a burned cd with the patch.

blabla0001
01-28-2004, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Does it really take 5 guys who say exactly the same? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm... when I wrote my response I thought I was the first one! I guess everyone else did too. :P

SeaFireLIV...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just Platy trying to be smart.

Comrade_Wubb
01-29-2004, 02:11 AM
Thank you very much everyone, I look foward to that formation tutorial, hopefully when I've sorted all this out you'll see me online one day and I'll shoot you down to say thankyou.

Slush69
01-29-2004, 02:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Does it really take 5 guys who say exactly the same? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What he said.

/slush

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LW_lcarp
01-29-2004, 04:22 AM
Sometimes also after a rough flight your hydralics get shot out and you have to lower them manually also

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TacticalSkirmsh
01-29-2004, 07:11 AM
How many gamers does it take to answer a question? Five apparently http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Good show mates! There can never be enough help thrown a new pilot's way.

I was just surprised that all five gamers agreed on the same answer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The only other helpful hint is that if you are flying without externals watch the two lights in the cockpit panel (upper left and right) to come on when raising and lowering (red/green?), because you will always get the hand crank sound and not really appreciate the gear is up/down.

And don't forget to drop the gear when landing, many a pilot have accidently practiced their belly landing techniques!

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-29-2004, 08:22 AM
Um...I'm having the same problem with my P11c. No matter what I do, the gear just won't come up. I've resorted to "scraping" them off on a building to get that extra 20 kph but landings are a b*tch!

Any suggestions?



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Stille-NachT
01-29-2004, 08:34 AM
I was watching a documentry on spit fire formations the other day, and near the late days of the war tight flight formations were scrapped. Certain spitfire pilots flew about 300 yards apart so that they could see all around them and readly warn there wingman of any BF's creeping in.

See when flying in formation the only way is to continually change your throttle all the time. And padlock your wingman too. This is very alike to what they actually did in the war, problem was all that time spent flying in formation and not taking your eyes off the wingman meant your concentration on the sky around you was very little.

Formation flying was for killing bombers. A big concentration of fire, for dog fighting or scouting for fighters don't worry about being too tight in formation. I tend to live longer than the AI on single player missions for that very fact. And alot of my kills on the first russian campaigns are made by creepig up on a wingman following the leader.

michapma
01-29-2004, 08:44 AM
The AI wingmen are programmed not to break formation unless commanded to carry out an action or if they are actually attacked. AI definitely know you are there.

Flying in formation makes more sense with humans than with the AI. I like to do it for the practice and challenge, but tend to keep a looser formation on most offline missions. It's certainly nice to be with your group when the action starts though.

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