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wor_raven
03-05-2004, 01:35 PM
the Ace E Pak is gives new planes to fly but as far as the External vewis go the game feels like a toy to me remindes me of cfs the external veiws are to far away and the angel is fron behind making the skin look distorted. and the planes nolonger have the PROWES they did before they simply look fake . As a skiner i like to see the plane and have it look realistic. not any more .Yes i know i can pan in and out with the mouse but thats a pain when your flying . is there any way for me to set it so i can pan the external veiw size to were i like it so it defults to that veiw when i pan.
for me the game is no longer emersive and i see no point in making skins as the just look fake and toy like. what i liked about this sim is the feel of the grafix. and now they feel like a toy sim give me back my big tuff looking ww2 aricraft .

wor_raven
03-05-2004, 01:35 PM
the Ace E Pak is gives new planes to fly but as far as the External vewis go the game feels like a toy to me remindes me of cfs the external veiws are to far away and the angel is fron behind making the skin look distorted. and the planes nolonger have the PROWES they did before they simply look fake . As a skiner i like to see the plane and have it look realistic. not any more .Yes i know i can pan in and out with the mouse but thats a pain when your flying . is there any way for me to set it so i can pan the external veiw size to were i like it so it defults to that veiw when i pan.
for me the game is no longer emersive and i see no point in making skins as the just look fake and toy like. what i liked about this sim is the feel of the grafix. and now they feel like a toy sim give me back my big tuff looking ww2 aricraft .

BuzzU
03-05-2004, 01:42 PM
The wide, normal, and gunsight views work on external. You should also be able to pan around with the hat switch, mouse, or TrackIR. Which ever one you use.


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wor_raven
03-05-2004, 01:52 PM
i realise that but thats a pain i dont want to have to do that with each plane the old setting was much better just tap next friendly veiw or enemy veiw or just look at my skin for external i dont wana have to play around with it it sucks that way was just fine before now its like a toy really a bad move gotta be a way to lock it in to were i like it

BuzzU
03-05-2004, 01:54 PM
I really don't know what you mean. The external views are the same as they've always been. I have everything programmed to buttons on my stick. Are you using the keyboard for everything?


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Slammin_
03-05-2004, 02:14 PM
Sounds like a nut case to me.

SuspectSquirrel
03-05-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wor_raven:
the Ace E Pak is gives new planes to fly but as far as the External vewis go the game feels like a toy to me remindes me of cfs the external veiws are to far away and the angel is fron behind making the skin look distorted. and the planes nolonger have the PROWES they did before they simply look fake . As a skiner i like to see the plane and have it look realistic. not any more .Yes i know i can pan in and out with the mouse but thats a pain when your flying . is there any way for me to set it so i can pan the external veiw size to were i like it so it defults to that veiw when i pan.
for me the game is no longer emersive and i see no point in making skins as the just look fake and toy like. what i liked about this sim is the feel of the grafix. and now they feel like a toy sim give me back my big tuff looking ww2 aricraft .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unistall AEP and throw in garbabe can. Revert back to IL2 FB only.

brimigus
03-05-2004, 02:44 PM
I've been bemoaning this fact in all the boards for the last 2 days.I agree it's way to far back and it feels very unatural.whats odd about this perticular is , this is the first time since the orginal IL2 came out that they changed something this noticeable.Whats made the IL2 franchise so sucessfull up to this date has been it's consistency, a lot of game developers reinvent the wheel every time they release a new product or update,if Oleg would put it back to the orignal default view,I would be able to say once again you have surpassed my expectaions.

JG52_wunsch
03-05-2004, 02:45 PM
chill guys
hes just asking a question,yeah i noticed the view is "pulled back" a bit. can you manualy set the distance? i d like to know as well,
cheers.

DrDave242
03-05-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuspectSquirrel:
Unistall AEP and throw in garbabe can. Revert back to IL2 FB only.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As an alternative, I recommend uninstalling AEP and sending it to me, THEN reverting to IL2 FB only. There's no need to get the garbage can involved.

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R_Mutt
03-05-2004, 02:48 PM
WTF are you people talking about?

I have a feeling the answer to all your problems is shift-F1 or something similar.

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brimigus
03-05-2004, 02:55 PM
what he means is there are two distance views that can be selected,one is far away the other is a closer view that can be accesed by hiiting external player plane view.that view will stay close and let u see the detail of the planes.One thing it does that is nice is when changing to other players it retains it locked distance view.right now for my tastes it feels to far away,it's just a prefrance and should not have been changed in and update

Huxley_S
03-05-2004, 03:00 PM
wor_raven, I competely agree with you. This is rubbish an all that were involved in this travesty should be gorged on spikes. Even that would be too good for them.

It takes sensible people like you to point out the injustice of this situation. I think I love you and would like to make sweet love to you on a nightly basis.

Huxley

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R_Mutt
03-05-2004, 03:02 PM
can't this distance be set in the conf file?

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brimigus
03-05-2004, 03:04 PM
i,ve tried the con file but nothing seemed to work.I gess we should just happy they didn't change the flyby,that's really the best part of the game.

IAFS_Painter
03-05-2004, 03:07 PM
Have they removed the zoom with mouse option?

Use it so often in FB - I forget whether you need to press a button at the same time ...

Try it and see (no pun)

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brimigus
03-05-2004, 03:10 PM
I've been doing the mouse zoom since wed's.Just be nice if the distance could be locked so when i change to another player or plane view it dosen't revert back to any other distance than of my choosing.

SeaFireLIV
03-05-2004, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wor_raven:
the Ace E Pak is gives new planes to fly but as far as the External vewis go the game feels like a toy to me remindes me of cfs the external veiws are to far away and the angel is fron behind making the skin look distorted. and the planes nolonger have the PROWES they did before they simply look fake . As a skiner i like to see the plane and have it look realistic. not any more .Yes i know i can pan in and out with the mouse but thats a pain when your flying . is there any way for me to set it so i can pan the external veiw size to were i like it so it defults to that veiw when i pan.
for me the game is no longer emersive and i see no point in making skins as the just look fake and toy like. what i liked about this sim is the feel of the grafix. and now they feel like a toy sim give me back my big tuff looking ww2 aricraft .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What this guy is saying here is absolute poppycock- in other words, rubbish to the highest degree!

He`s basically saying the graphics are worse than before? How can that be? Rubbish!
Possible reasons:

1. He`s insane.
2. He`s on the wrong forum, and talking about a completely different game.
3. He`s insane.
4. He`s dropped his own graphics in game by mistake and is too dumb to realise this.
5. He`s trolling AND insane!
6. It could be what Brimigus suggests! :P


SeaFireLIV...

brimigus
03-05-2004, 03:27 PM
Feels good to know someone listens.thanks SeaFireLIV.

Zen--
03-05-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DrDave242

As an alternative, I recommend uninstalling AEP and sending it to me, THEN reverting to IL2 FB only. There's no need to get the garbage can involved.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao

-Zen-

PF_Coastie
03-05-2004, 03:36 PM
Try messing with these settings until you find what you like.

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=60.0 (this is default distance to your plane in ext)
MaxLen=50000.0 (this is max distance you can pan out with mouse in ext)
Speed=6 (speed of zoom i think)

Good luck!

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JG52_wunsch
03-05-2004, 03:42 PM
hey mutt
i don t think it can be changed(at least i havn t found the line). been looking for you on messenger the last few days(been busy ar work the last couple weeks) did you get those disc s
transfered to mp3?
kind of strange hearing the Flips on t.v(commercial) i find myself singing that song all
day,cheers,m8

Dolemite-
03-05-2004, 03:56 PM
I think he's saying that the default skins for the new aircraft arent detailed enough for him, and that they look like toys.

I think thats what he's saying, or maybe he's just crazy.

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pourshot
03-05-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brimigus:
.I gess we should just happy they didn't change the flyby,that's really the best part of the game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The last part of this statement proves he's insane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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wor_raven
03-05-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wor_raven:
the Ace E Pak is gives new planes to fly but as far as the External vewis go the game feels like a toy to me remindes me of cfs the external veiws are to far away and the angel is fron behind making the skin look distorted. and the planes nolonger have the PROWES they did before they simply look fake . As a skiner i like to see the plane and have it look realistic. not any more .Yes i know i can pan in and out with the mouse but thats a pain when your flying . is there any way for me to set it so i can pan the external veiw size to were i like it so it defults to that veiw when i pan.
for me the game is no longer emersive and i see no point in making skins as the just look fake and toy like. what i liked about this sim is the feel of the grafix. and now they feel like a toy sim give me back my big tuff looking ww2 aricraft .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What this guy is saying here is absolute poppycock- in other words, rubbish to the highest degree!

He`s basically saying the graphics are worse than before? How can that be? Rubbish!
Possible reasons:

1. He`s insane.
2. He`s on the wrong forum, and talking about a completely different game.
3. He`s insane.
4. He`s dropped his own graphics in game by mistake and is too dumb to realise this.
5. He`s trolling AND insane!
6. It could be what Brimigus suggests! :P
your blind and have no comprehension i did not say grafxs sucked just external veiw


SeaFireLIV...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wor_raven
03-05-2004, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
wor_raven, I competely agree with you. This is rubbish an all that were involved in this travesty should be gorged on spikes. Even that would be too good for them.

It takes sensible people like you to point out the injustice of this situation. I think I love you and would like to make sweet love to you on a nightly basis.

Huxley

xxx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>if you are a half way looking female im in other wise seek help =)

wor_raven
03-05-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Try messing with these settings until you find what you like.

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=60.0 (this is default distance to your plane in ext)
MaxLen=50000.0 (this is max distance you can pan out with mouse in ext)
Speed=6 (speed of zoom i think)

Good luck!

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wor_raven
03-05-2004, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dolemite-:
I think he's saying that the default skins for the new aircraft arent detailed enough for him, and that they look like toys.

I think thats what he's saying, or maybe he's just crazy. dont think just read it again

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brimigus
03-05-2004, 04:16 PM
.....Head Line News.....
Il2 sciencetist seemed puzzeled by the latest string of failure plauging efforts to fix,what now is known round the world as the "WTF happened to the close up view i liked".Congress is calling for action.The Presidents left the campain trail to convein a special blue ribbon panel of leading Il2 minds.He's qouted as saying"Not on my watch".Stayed tuned for more updates.

Lixma
03-05-2004, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Try messing with these settings until you find what you like.

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=60.0 (this is default distance to your plane in ext)
MaxLen=50000.0 (this is max distance you can pan out with mouse in ext)
Speed=6 (speed of zoom i think)

Good luck!

PF_Coastie
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Coastie...that speed setting is for the speed of the snap/pan and padlock views. I've set it to 20 and it's lightning fast. Try it if you haven't already.

brimigus
03-05-2004, 04:26 PM
changed the values.when I used to hit the chase view it zoomed and locked closer.Values did not change the view distance.Changed DefaultLen from 20 to 60 and Maxlen from 3000 to 5000.Results negative on correction.

Bearcat99
03-05-2004, 06:11 PM
Id suggest you copy the original down before you futz with it or better yet...try to compare it to FB and see if there is a diference.

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PF_Coastie
03-05-2004, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brimigus:
changed the values.when I used to hit the chase view it zoomed and locked closer.Values did not change the view distance.Changed DefaultLen from 20 to 60 and Maxlen from 3000 to 5000.Results negative on correction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You probably wont notice a difference changing maxlen only 2000. Put it to 30000 and you can pan out 30k. That does have its advantages sometimes! As far as default len, It works sporadically. Sometimes it defaults correctly, sometimes it does'nt.

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PF_Coastie
03-05-2004, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lixma:

Coastie...that speed setting is for the speed of the snap/pan and padlock views. I've set it to 20 and it's lightning fast. Try it if you haven't already.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats right! Thanks for refreshing my memory. I don't use the hat switch for panning, i use my mouse. I use my hat switch for several different controls.

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pcisbest
03-05-2004, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R_Mutt:
WTF are you people talking about?

I have a feeling the answer to all your problems is shift-F1 or something similar.

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DONB3397
03-05-2004, 08:20 PM
Maybe some rigs are affected by increased graphics demand in AEP.

I found the new graphics incredible! Because I'd read so much about the new a/c and FMs, the improved graphics was my biggest surprise. A good one! The Pacific looks like the Pacific with shoals and green highlights. And its "wet!" Good stuff.

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03-05-2004, 08:55 PM
Wow you boys sure are answering his question. About 85% of the replies are just... wastes of bandwidth? I know that is mean to mention but why answer if you cant help or discuss anything related to the topic? NM dont reply to that, youve already put too much thought into it.
- BTW I too have noticed how the externals are set further out as default and zooming in EveryTime to get a better look at the freakn skin really is a hassle.'Lower' graphics settings or resolution COULD be the problem, if so that sucks and FB is now just a little worse for me. Just hope there is an option to fix this hassle causing problem for us.

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Gato-Loco
03-06-2004, 04:14 PM
Hey wor_raven, you were right. The default external Wide and Normal views are farther away from the plane than they used to be. This can be fixed just by mapping new FOV values to the Delete and End keys. I used FOV 75 for the Delete key and FOV 65 for the End key and it looks like it did before AEP. I also mapped the Insert Key to the "Wide View", so I can see as much of the cockpit as possible.

DuxCorvan
03-06-2004, 06:06 PM
As a non-English speaking country native, I have a question: have pauses and capitals been supressed from English tongue?

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