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NTESLA
02-07-2004, 10:33 AM
FYI - For those whom have not seen it yet or wish to see it again :

The movie "Tuskegee Airmen" will air tonight Feb. 7, 2004 at 8PM EST (USA) - History Channel

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NTESLA
02-07-2004, 10:33 AM
FYI - For those whom have not seen it yet or wish to see it again :

The movie "Tuskegee Airmen" will air tonight Feb. 7, 2004 at 8PM EST (USA) - History Channel

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arcadeace
02-07-2004, 11:09 AM
I haven't seen it yet but I saw it advertised and am looking forward to it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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rbstr44
02-07-2004, 11:32 AM
Thanks. I saw it a few years ago, but I have been wanting to watch it again.

Bearcat99
02-07-2004, 02:01 PM
I am going to watch it again, seen it dozens of times literally..... I have the DVD... There are parts of that movie i know by heart..... LOL. I watch that and BoB, WEings of Glory,History of the USAF and a slew of others whenever I get the wargird bug..which is everyday and I can tear myself away from FB.. which is hardly ever...LOL

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LeadSpitter_
02-07-2004, 02:17 PM
I like the original documentary better but the movies still great, I seen tuskegee airmen, memphis belle, battle of britian toratoratora and darkblueworld too many times that I know every line in the movies with the exception of toratoratora half of its in japanese. I would like to see a band of brothers type of series of the pilots having 2 episodes of each nation russian german british us canadian raaf and japanese.

Todays special effects would be great for wwii movies, its a shame they used it on pearl harbor the worst movie but best effects

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LW_lcarp
02-07-2004, 04:50 PM
Yep seen that myself dont know what to do though as the Bud Shootout is tonite also Decisions Decisions

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noshens
02-07-2004, 05:04 PM
From what you've seen what do you think is the best movie? I want to rent one.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I like the original documentary better but the movies still great, I seen tuskegee airmen, memphis belle, battle of britian toratoratora and darkblueworld too many times that I know every line in the movies with the exception of toratoratora half of its in japanese. I would like to see a band of brothers type of series of the pilots having 2 episodes of each nation russian german british us canadian raaf and japanese.

Todays special effects would be great for wwii movies, its a shame they used it on pearl harbor the worst movie but best effects

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necrobaron
02-07-2004, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
From what you've seen what do you think is the best movie? I want to rent one.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I like the original documentary better but the movies still great, I seen tuskegee airmen, memphis belle, battle of britian toratoratora and darkblueworld too many times that I know every line in the movies with the exception of toratoratora half of its in japanese. I would like to see a band of brothers type of series of the pilots having 2 episodes of each nation russian german british us canadian raaf and japanese.

Todays special effects would be great for wwii movies, its a shame they used it on pearl harbor the worst movie but best effects

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I saw Dark Blue World for the first time last night. It's a great movie that covers the often ignored contribution of the Czech pilots in WWII. I think it would've benefitted better without the emphasis on the love story though.....

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noshens
02-07-2004, 08:15 PM
heh, i just finished watching the Tuskegee Airmen, it's quite dissapointing that they had only one version of bf109 and even that was a wierd one, guns in the wings and front looks like p40. Is that Spanish variant of it or somethitg?

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02-07-2004, 08:24 PM
They also had no P-51Cs, the characters were not wholly accurate... still it was nice to see those Redtails. BDW is excellent.... I just bought Tora Tora Tora today. I have BoB. It would be nice to see a movie about the Aztec Eagles.......

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02-07-2004, 08:33 PM
ABout the movie of Normandie Niemen ?

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NTESLA
02-07-2004, 09:23 PM
Great movie and really loved hearing it from the pilots who were really there especially Col. Archer - Flying Ace. Great to see these men still with us in this planet and hearing their first person accounts of what really happened. S! To them and all pilots!

It was also interesting to know, as Col. Archer mentioned, how few people place importance to their ground crews, the mechanics, maintance crews, engineers, control tower personel, etc. were as important to these men as they were to us.

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necrobaron
02-07-2004, 10:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
heh, i just finished watching the Tuskegee Airmen, it's quite dissapointing that they had only one version of bf109 and even that was a wierd one, guns in the wings and front looks like p40. Is that Spanish variant of it or somethitg?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a Spanish license-built "Buchon" 109. They weren't equipped with the Daimler Benz engine. DBW has them as well,which was suprising(and a bit disappointing) to me,given how they could've easily done accurate looking 109s in CG. And I think at some point in the movie they refer to an He-111(also Spanish built) as a Junkers. But all that's kinda nit-picky. It's still a great movie......

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Oso2323
02-07-2004, 10:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I would like to see a band of brothers type of series of the pilots having 2 episodes of each nation russian german british us canadian raaf and japanese.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd love to see a series or movie that dealt with Canadian participation in the Channel front/European campaign. I think sometimes that we Canucks are too self-effacing. Our war movies usually focus on human disasters such as Dieppe. Something where we actually win and are heroic would be nice.

It's funny how in the general public's eye WWII can be boiled down to a handful of events: The Battle of Britan, Pearl Harbour, Dieppe (for us), D-Day and Hiroshima. The Russians could probably add a few more, but their point of view hasn't really made it accross the pond.

P.S. Dark Blue World was great. Oh - and the love story was central to the plot. Haven't seen "Piece of Cake" yet. Any thoughts?

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Sturmtrooper
02-07-2004, 10:21 PM
I'm there , dude .

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TheGozr
02-07-2004, 11:06 PM
Just saw it .. great

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Hristo_
02-07-2004, 11:13 PM
Saw it, but didn't like the combat scenes. Unlogical, no 190s, Buchons instead of 109s, a little too much "I've got you now Jerry" macho babble for my taste.

With today's CG effects, they should have done historical 109s and 190s, and should have consulted someone who actually knows more about air combat and tactics, not fairy tales.

Dark blue world is much more realistic in presentation of air combat.

Oso2323
02-07-2004, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Dark blue world is much more realistic in presentation of air combat.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny - I remember thinking that everything that happened to Pearl Harbour's Ben Affleck was plausable (except for the way he beat the Zeros). But the fact that every 1 in a million event happened to him was ludicrous.

skunkertx7
02-07-2004, 11:34 PM
Guys, we need to give this film props in terms of what they were trying to accomplish. This film only had a 5million dollar budget....put it in context and you'll find out that you can't make anything for 5million, well, maybe a few episodes of FRIENDS.

If they had more money, trust me, they'd be spending it on CGI and other SFX.

I think the film was good for what it set out to do--show the courage and heroism of the Tuskegee. Now, bring on the Aztec Eagles!

necrobaron
02-07-2004, 11:43 PM
I just wish DBW had more combat sequences. For a movie with it's focus on air combat,it was fairly sparse. The sequences it did have were good while they lasted though....

"Not all who wander are lost."

necrobaron
02-07-2004, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by skunkertx7:
Guys, we need to give this film props in terms of what they were trying to accomplish. This film only had a 5million dollar budget....put it in context and you'll find out that you can't make anything for 5million, well, maybe a few episodes of FRIENDS.

If they had more money, trust me, they'd be spending it on CGI and other SFX.

I think the film was good for what it set out to do--show the courage and heroism of the Tuskegee. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Plus the film was done in 1995,so it's unlikely any CG they could've done would've been believable to our standards. Unless maybe if they could've afforded ILM......

"Not all who wander are lost."

Ins_Javert
02-07-2004, 11:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Saw it, but didn't like the combat scenes. Unlogical, no 190s, Buchons instead of 109s, a little too much "I've got you now Jerry" macho babble for my taste.

With today's CG effects, they should have done historical 109s and 190s, and should have consulted someone who actually knows more about air combat and tactics, not fairy tales.

Dark blue world is much more realistic in presentation of air combat.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, then you've missed the point all together. You were looking for something that this movie wasn't. Thats fine. Just so you know this movie wasn't about air combat at all, just like how Glory wasn't about the American Civil War fighting tactics.

Hristo_
02-08-2004, 12:01 AM
Who gives a damn about some black pilots fighting racism and prejudice ?

Give me air combat !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now if only someone would do "Knight Cross" or something, about Ruddorffer or Baer, raining Allied iron all over the landscape. No philosophy, no dialog, only MG 151/20s blazing. Forget the romance, the French *****s are enough !

T_O_A_D
02-08-2004, 12:05 AM
Liked the movie Have seen it several times, just now finished it signed in Hoping to see a thread about it.

Was hoping to see some enlightend minds here. Some I guess but not all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

My Hats off to them and there well fought battle in the field and for thier rights!!!!!!!!!

Awsum to see Archer still with us and the first pilot to take down a jet aswell with us still http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The live inteview was neat to say the least. Hearing it form the real men is a treasure!!!!!!!

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necrobaron
02-08-2004, 12:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Who gives a damn about some black pilots fighting racism and prejudice ?

Give me air combat !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now if only someone would do "Knight Cross" or something, about Ruddorffer or Baer, raining Allied iron all over the landscape. No philosophy, no dialog, only MG 151/20s blazing. Forget the romance, the French *****s are enough !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see what you're saying,but you're gonna get serious flak for this.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Boandlgramer
02-08-2004, 12:14 AM
i saw the movie already 3 times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
have the DVD.
the fights for their rights in the states were awesome. they did fight a war for freedom in africa and europe, but were not equivalently in their own country.
from the first time i have read things about the tuskegees, they had my honest sympathy.

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Hristo_
02-08-2004, 12:15 AM
I know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It is just that I hate such patronizing movies, is all. Give me a police-car-chase style WW2 air combat movie, with Luftwaffe pilots being the heroes.

I mean, they shot down hundreds and yet we get some lousy Ben Afflecks telling us 5 victories made aces and such. What's next ? Chuck Yeager air combat movie ? All his few victories ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

necrobaron
02-08-2004, 12:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Boandlgramer:
i saw the movie already 3 times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
have the DVD.
the fights for their rights in the states were awesome. they did fight a war for freedom in africa and europe, but were not equivalently in their own country.
from the first time i have read things about the tuskegees, they had my honest sympathy.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah that was the great irony. They were fighting for many freedoms they didn't even have. For that,they have my undying respect. I not so sure I would've been able to do the same.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Who gives a damn about some black pilots fighting racism and prejudice ?

Give me air combat !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now if only someone would do "Knight Cross" or something, about Ruddorffer or Baer, raining Allied iron all over the landscape. No philosophy, no dialog, only MG 151/20s blazing. Forget the romance, the French *****s are enough !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see what you're saying,but you're gonna get serious flak for this.

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are an idiot !!!
The struggle that those men went through to be accepted and validated should not be trivialized by thick heads like you .
They were black men in a white mans world , up against the odds .
They fought against much prejudice because they believed in their country !!!

I am white , caucasian , and I'll give you air combat !

If I see your pathetic butt online Hristo ,........
you're mine !!!!!!!!!!!!
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necrobaron
02-08-2004, 12:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Who gives a damn about some black pilots fighting racism and prejudice ?

Give me air combat !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now if only someone would do "Knight Cross" or something, about Ruddorffer or Baer, raining Allied iron all over the landscape. No philosophy, no dialog, only MG 151/20s blazing. Forget the romance, the French *****s are enough !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see what you're saying,but you're gonna get serious flak for this.

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are an idiot !!!
The struggle that those men went through to be accepted and validated should not be trivialized by thick heads like you .
They were black men in a white mans world , up against the odds .
They fought against much prejudice because they believed in their country !!!

I am white , caucasian , and I'll give you air combat !

If I see your pathetic butt online Hristo ,........
you're mine !!!!!!!!!!!!
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who? Me or Hristo?

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Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 12:44 AM
Hristo !!
Sorry NecroBaron , I didn't mean you .
Unless of course you agree with that mindless twerp !!!

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Hristo_
02-08-2004, 12:51 AM
Oh boy, time to wax my 109 again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What are you flying Sturmtrooper ? Shall we duel a little ?

Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 12:55 AM
Sure , you don't mind if I bring my African-American friends , do you ?
They really want to meet you !!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. Bring all the Arians you can .
P.S.S. You'll need more than wax , baby !

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Hristo_
02-08-2004, 12:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Sure , you don't mind if I bring my African-American friends , do you ?
They really want to meet you !!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. Bring all the Arians you can .

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"One of the most interesting puzzles in archaeology, and one that hasn't really been completely answered yet, concerns the story of the supposed Aryan invasion of the Indian subcontinent. The story goes like this: The Aryans were a tribe of IndoEuropean-speaking, horse-riding nomads living in the arid steppes of Eurasia. Sometime around 1700 BC, the Aryans invaded the ancient urban civilizations of the Indus Valley, and destroyed that culture. The Indus Valley civilizations were far more civilized than any horse-back nomad, having had a written language, farming capabilities, and led a truly urban existence. Some 1,200 years after the supposed invasion, the descendants of the Aryans, so they say, wrote the classic Indian literature called the Vedic manuscripts."

Nice chaps, but I think they won't help much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

necrobaron
02-08-2004, 01:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Hristo !!
Sorry NecroBaron , I didn't mean you .
Unless of course you agree with that mindless twerp !!!

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Lol! It's okay. You quoted my response to Hristo,so I wasn't sure who you were referring to.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 01:11 AM
Save it for World History class , Hristo_ !
You are dodging the subject .
Your comment trivialized the African/American pilots that served in WW2 .
I am not African/American .
However , being a Caucasian (WHITE) American , I take offense in your offhanded remarks .
You are talking about my brothers !!
Your comments smack of bigotry .
Start waxxin' your itty bitty kite !
Your butt will be handed to you on a platter .
How do you want it , medium rare ?
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Hristo_
02-08-2004, 01:23 AM
Well, you misinterpreted my view on black people. I am not a racist and do not have prejudice. AN I am white, FYI.

But as for air combat, Tuskeegee airmen movie sucks.

As for our duel, I'll be happy to look for you online.

Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 01:32 AM
Be lookin' , chump !!
Do you fly by that name ?
I don't hide behind any other name .
STURMTROOPER
If you see that , come and try me .
Oh , I might have some AfroAmerican buddies with me . But don't worry , they are a merciful bunch ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
By the way , I don't think that you are prejudice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, but your remarks were a bit callous .
The next time , please show our veterens some respect . Even the ones that Hollywood portrays . They died for us .

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TheGozr
02-08-2004, 01:37 AM
I reccord the duel? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 01:42 AM
You betcha !!!

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Thunderbolt22
02-08-2004, 01:44 AM
I've watched Tuskegee Airmen many times now on HBO, and for a small-budget flick, it's good. So, Bla-excuse me, African-American men can really mix it up in the furball with the best the Krauts have to offer, and as bomber escorts, none were lost on their watch. Go Red-Tails!

T_O_A_D
02-08-2004, 04:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Be lookin' , chump !!
Do you fly by that name ?
I don't hide behind any other name .
STURMTROOPER
If you see that , come and try me .
Oh , I might have some AfroAmerican buddies with me . But don't worry , they are a merciful bunch ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
By the way , I don't think that you are prejudice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, but your remarks were a bit callous .
The next time , please show our veterens some respect . Even the ones that Hollywood portrays . They died for us .

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Hey count me in too If it happens when I am on and off work. If I was alive and fighten age then I'd of been happy to of been a black man for sure any slight chance to get in a fighter any color of skin would of been an honor. Think of all the other black white yellows reds that had to die in a lousy mud hole. When you think of it the blacks were defenty the minority invovled in numbers. I bet if you figued out the percentages you would if you was a black man would of had a better chance than anyone to of being in a plane. I'm proud of all our vets no matter their skin.

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Bearcat99
02-08-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
Who gives a damn about some black pilots fighting racism and prejudice ?

Give me air combat !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now if only someone would do "Knight Cross" or something, about Ruddorffer or Baer, raining Allied iron all over the landscape. No philosophy, no dialog, only MG 151/20s blazing. Forget the romance, the French *****s are enough !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm so lets see you have no respect for people of color....obviously... women,history,the people in this thread......and yourself..... at least judging by your comments. Is it true? Is ignorance really bliss?

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Cajun76
02-08-2004, 06:54 AM
I can see the fight against ignorance continues. I'd be honored to slap some red paint on the tail of my P-47 to "educate" some people. Btw, I'm green, with purple polka dots, wanna make something of it, Hristo_? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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NTESLA
02-08-2004, 07:20 AM
It is very sad to still witness this type of ignorance exist even in forums like IL2:FB.

My wife, who is not from the United States, watched the movie with me. She was not aware of the hatred that still existed in the United States of America against African Americans and other ethnic groups. She felt so bad to know that our nation still treated people like this not too long ago!...and that it still exists but is not only restricted to the borders of our nation. Hristo being an example of what I was teaching my wife of pure ignorance.

I am not mad at Hristo, he probably was not taught and/or informed, lack of education is in itself a catalyst for Ignorance.

Hristo, I invite you and anyone else to learn History not just the one that you were taught in school but the especially the ones that were never mentioned in your classroom. Many here are learning and I wish you can too. Not until recently many did not know that Mexico had their part in World War 2, That there were other wars raging besides D-Day, Battle of Britain, etc. in the eastern front, in India, Phillipines, China, South America and the Caribean! Please reflect on what is being said to you. Life is too short to be filled with Hatred and Ignorance, problems do come by themselves to us in life, let us not bring more upon ourselves and humanity.

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Bill_Lester
02-08-2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Todays special effects would be great for wwii movies, its a shame they used it on pearl harbor the worst movie but best effects<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The two movies I'd really like to see would be adaptations of Sakai's Samurai! and Jack Broughton's Going Downtown. Can you imagine what it would be like to have a squadron of CGI 105's screaming down Thud Ridge?!

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Sturmtrooper
02-08-2004, 10:06 AM
Yes , Saburo Sakai's story would be a great movie .
Also , "Fly For Your Life" , the story of Robert Stanford Tuck . That would make an excellent movie too .

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Airhead_777_AVG
02-08-2004, 10:42 AM
I feel pity for people like Hristo...so, so sad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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