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III.Jg27ADLER
04-14-2004, 01:27 PM
Hi folks and Oleg!
My first threat in here...
I have one question or maybe this "problem" was already discussed but what is about the waether in IL 2? I mean of course there are some smaller
waether options with some turbulence the wind is not really there though. Wind influences a lot in aviation and does still today and I think Oleg and his team should put more effort in this. It doesn't have to be as "realsitic" as FS 2004 but it would be absolutely nice and I could wait longer for other aircrafts.
Thanks a lot!!

III.Jg27ADLER
04-14-2004, 01:27 PM
Hi folks and Oleg!
My first threat in here...
I have one question or maybe this "problem" was already discussed but what is about the waether in IL 2? I mean of course there are some smaller
waether options with some turbulence the wind is not really there though. Wind influences a lot in aviation and does still today and I think Oleg and his team should put more effort in this. It doesn't have to be as "realsitic" as FS 2004 but it would be absolutely nice and I could wait longer for other aircrafts.
Thanks a lot!!

KaRaYa-X
04-14-2004, 01:47 PM
I think we already have good weather modelling... Just try out some of the offline single-missions!

Some days ago I tried one mission where I had to take off from a field with a Bf109 (bad weather of course) and I really had to correct my plane's course because the wind would pull it to the left on takeoff. It was very dramatic and I liked it a lot. Even after takeoff the plane was shaking like hell. Only as I got faster (around 500km/h) the shaking quit.

I just think it depends on how fast you are going. If you're racing through a storm at 600km/h you won't notice that much turbulence as when flying at 250-300km/h...

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LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 01:52 PM
Ye Olde DOS Flaker 1.0 from 1995 had wind, and you could set it at various windspeeds for different altitudes. Made crosscountry flying really challenging. So this can easily be done today too in flight sims.

Also, dogfight server hosts could have *alot* of pure Fun with very strong winds.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hi folks and Oleg!
My first threat in here...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wellcome to the Forgotten Board anyway.

HEXxANGEL
04-14-2004, 03:38 PM
Well my second post under new name in here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I find the weather ok in AEP. Bad weather can make a take off really difficult..

Dmitri9mm
04-14-2004, 11:52 PM
Actually I believe Adler is right.
The wind is clearly not modelled extensively enough, just try out the online "mountain" map. Even in a heavy thunderstorm I'm able to fly even the light fabric-covered biplanes as if there was no wind at all, ther is no updraft where the wind is supposed to hit the mountain, no bumpy air at the bottom of the valleys, what we get is only a light sidewind that is hardly noticeable even in a landing situation.
One of the few aspects where the old CFS2 was a lot better than IL2/FB was in the weather modelling, I was able to create weather conditions where the wind would simply lift my zero from the the runway and hurl it into the ground before I even got a chance of turning on my engine.
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III.Jg27ADLER
04-15-2004, 02:00 AM
I know the waether options are allright but they
are kind of superficial.The wind for example can be strong when the sky is clear and with a very good visibilty.I started my PPL in South Africa and I learned a lot about the waether.
I often couldn't fly just because of the wind altough the waether was fine!!Ok it was at the coast but I mean also Dmitri9mm said that in mountains it is not well enough modelled...
Just want to say that Jet streams can get a speed of around 200 knots!!!

Don't get me wrong I don't want it like FS but at least a more datailed wind!
Thanks

VVS-Manuc
04-15-2004, 02:01 AM
At least in Pacific Fighters wind effects have to be modelled correctly. The aircraft carriers turn into the wind when launching planes and when planes are landing. So it is a very important point .

III.Jg27ADLER
04-15-2004, 04:30 AM
So then it will be "correct" in all the other sections as well or only in PF?
I think it is not that big thing to model some
good wind.There has been wind in FS for years now and it is nice...
Thanks

MatuDa
04-15-2004, 04:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
At least in Pacific Fighters wind effects have to be modelled correctly. The aircraft carriers turn into the wind when launching planes and when planes are landing. So it is a very important point .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also wind has a big influence in navigation.. You can be thrown way off course in windy weather and in the PTO it could make the difference between life and death.. bad navigation = food for sharks. Dont much matter in furballs though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Gryphonne
04-15-2004, 05:04 AM
Sadly, weather in this sim, as well as atmospherical effects are modelled substandard.

The sky isn't midnightblue at 9000m.

We have no decent cloud formations.

When flying at 8000m, above the rainclouds it still feels as if i'm inside them since they are grey on top!

Normal clouds stay white below (their own shadow should give them a grey appearance).

Clouds don't drift off, they stay in one place.

Etc.

I would rather pay for a "realism enhancing" add-on that addresses things like atmosphere, weather, weapon loadouts, DMs etc. than some add-on with planes that never flew/ flew once.

Regards,

Gryphon

VVS-Manuc
04-15-2004, 05:26 AM
very good points, gryphonne

III.Jg27ADLER
04-15-2004, 07:52 AM
Yes,these are all very good points I haven't thought about.I think we shuold keep this threat up so that maybe Oleg ect. could give his statement...
For me I don't need the X Version of a Messerschmitt Bf 109 (I don't say they are bad)
I would like to have some good (better) waether
in IL 2.This is the next thing they have to work on.
Thanks

III.Jg27ADLER
04-15-2004, 07:53 AM
Yes,these are all very good points I haven't thought about.I think we shuold keep this threat up so that maybe Oleg ect. could give his statement...
For me I don't need the X Version of a Messerschmitt Bf 109 (I don't say they are bad)
I would like to have some good (better) waether
in IL 2.This is the next thing they have to work on.
Thanks

TX-EcoDragon
04-15-2004, 07:39 PM
I certainly agree that a greater degree of adjustment in weather/wind would be excellent, and some higher fidelity effects are always nice, though in many ways this sim does very well given what sort of sim it is.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-15-2004, 09:18 PM
Gryphonne:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I would rather pay for a "realism enhancing" add-on that addresses things like atmosphere, weather, weapon loadouts, DMs etc. than some add-on with planes that never flew/ flew once.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Weather addon CD. I was thinking about starting a thread about this. I would PAY Oleg or Luthier for this.

Fantasy Plane lover that I am, I would love Cloud Addon CD even more than that...even more than New Biplanes (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif) -- if the clouds on the CD are realistic enough and can stress the next gen of video cards so the *planes we have* can still be useful 3 years from now.



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III.Jg27ADLER
04-21-2004, 08:21 AM
After trying to get back into this forum becuase of difficulties to sign in I want to say that this is an important chapter for Il2.
We are entertained with aircrafts,missions and
campaigns for at least half a year.Nothing changed in the waether and I think it is time to
progress in this section otherwise we get a
CFS IL 2 with a lack of weather realism...
I will keep this threat up till Oleg gives a statement because we all know it is important!!
Thanks

III.Jg27ADLER
04-22-2004, 10:19 AM
Does anybody know when Oleg comes back?
Thanks

Uber_Numpty
04-23-2004, 07:22 AM
wind socks?

VVS-Manuc
04-23-2004, 07:27 AM
wind socks !

http://www.hopspoweredparachutes.com/images/pg04/images/wind_sock_01.jpg

VW-IceFire
04-23-2004, 07:45 AM
Yes...BoB better have these http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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04-23-2004, 07:53 AM
More dynamic detailed weather = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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rbstr44
04-24-2004, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
wind socks !

http://www.hopspoweredparachutes.com/images/pg04/images/wind_sock_01.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right now, the best way to gauge wind direction (besides being swept off the runway by a strong cross-wind) is to observe the airfield campfires. Windsocks would be a big improvement!

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Entering and exiting rays are displaced
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III.Jg27ADLER
04-24-2004, 03:46 PM
Of course then we need wind socks,too!:P
I remeber when I came in to the German forum the fist time and posted that it would be nice to have these big lights for searching after
aircrafts at night and many people laughed at me till it was released in FB...
Now we need wind...the basics of flying!!
Thanks

Aaron_GT
04-25-2004, 07:30 AM
The weather is CFS2 is impressive. The 2D
cockpits are also very readable, which is nice.
I am not sure how much else is good about CFS2
without the 1% models - it sometimes seems a
bit arcade.

I'd certainly like to see dynamic weather for
BoB, but I think Oleg said something along the
lines that this is likely, which is good news.
What would also be nice would be forecasts
for the weather as well as dynamic weather.

adriatic
04-25-2004, 08:45 AM
Yes- for separating wind from sun/cloudy weather..

Yes- for wind depending of landscape..

Yes- for smoke bend and wind socks..

Yes- for termic and another thing's about I dont know much..

If not today, maybe in some years. For me it is more important than eny visual improvement.

And bigest YES for Oleg&IL-2!!!

AirBot
04-25-2004, 12:59 PM
I don't think we'll be getting advanced weather effects in FB or any of it's addons, but I do believe a very advanced weather system for BoB is very likely. Still, let's bug Oleg about it just in case, to make sure it doesn't slip his mind when programming BoB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

III.Jg27ADLER
04-26-2004, 07:30 AM
I will make sure that Oleg will answer this because as some of you said it is more important than any visual improvement!!
We want more wind...:P
But what do you mean it may only be in BoB?
So is BoB a stand-alone product where you can't
fly Russian Aircraft (I know they didn't participate in this battle) for fun?
If YES what's about PF?
Thanks

AirBot
04-27-2004, 05:10 AM
III.Jg27ADLER, BoB is a whole new game built on a whole new engine. It has nothing to do with IL-2, except that it's made by the same people. I assume BoB won't have any Russian birds, at least not in the beginning.

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III.Jg27ADLER
04-28-2004, 06:14 AM
So also Pacific Fighters will have nothing to do with FB.Damn it,how can they do that??
So there will also be a nwe internet site,squads and so on?
OHHHHHHH NOOOOO!!

Cold_Gambler
04-29-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
wind socks !

http://www.hopspoweredparachutes.com/images/pg04/images/wind_sock_01.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES! Wind socks and wind!

III.Jg27ADLER
05-01-2004, 04:33 AM
The last time Oleg answered in this forum is now a month ago,when does he come back!
I want is statement!
By the way there is also necessary to improve the Heinkel HE 111.There are important things missing.
For me I get the impression Oleg just looks for the quantity not quality...

VVS-Manuc
05-01-2004, 04:39 AM
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[This message was edited by VVS-Manuc on Sat May 01 2004 at 05:06 PM.]

ZG77_Lignite
05-01-2004, 08:28 AM
Ivan, what does it take to get this guy banned (Manuc)?

Adler, Pacific Fighters will be based on (and probably largely similar to) the Forgotten Battles engine. Battle of Britain (BoB) is also under developement, but is all new, and thus farther off.

III.Jg27ADLER
05-02-2004, 05:49 AM
No,I know about the PF stuff and so on.
I am just saying or better do you know if there
will be changes in the weather options?
THX

crazyivan1970
05-02-2004, 11:21 AM
To original poster... i have a COOP that it`s near un-playable because of wind.. LOL i remember making two attemps to run it...but 50% of participant would crash on take off... you want it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Wind is so strong...it`s feaky heeh.

@Lignite: Manuc is slowly working on his vacation, i don`t see anything but trolling and sleasy remarks... wont be long. Be sure!

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III.Jg27ADLER
05-03-2004, 11:07 AM
Yes,Ivan,but this is why they jsut couldn# take off becuase of the bad weather conditions and it is still like this today(Runway in use...)!
I experienced this on my own when I had a flight with my teacher in Piper Warrior in the curuits and we had a strong headwind-it wasn't nice...But this is what flying is about even in
combat sims it CAN'T be a mistake to improve the weather!It might be difficult but interesting as well,no?
For those who don't want you can switch it off,it is so simple...
THX

PBNA-Boosher
05-03-2004, 12:38 PM
Well boys, just do what I do..

F()CK the Runway! Take off right into the wind!

crazyivan1970
05-03-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by III.Jg27ADLER:
Yes,Ivan,but this is why they jsut couldn# take off becuase of the bad weather conditions and it is still like this today(Runway in use...)!
I experienced this on my own when I had a flight with my teacher in Piper Warrior in the curuits and we had a strong headwind-it wasn't nice...But this is what flying is about even in
combat sims it CAN'T be a mistake to improve the weather!It might be difficult but interesting as well,no?
For those who don't want you can switch it off,it is so simple...
THX<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Problem with IL2 is that there is no wind in the good day, only avail in stormy weather with rain...etc... but IMO should be user defined - meaning speed and direction- That would make it much more interesting indeed. There is no need for switch, it should be defined in mission builder in FMB, Such as wind direction and speed. Would be fantastic IMO.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

III.Jg27ADLER
05-05-2004, 07:11 AM
Ivan, aren't you Oleg's "right hand" here in this forum or maybe I am wrong?!
If yes could you tell him about this threat or
do you know when he is coming back because you see it is more interesting and realistic with wind...
Thnaks a lot!!

MA_Moby
05-05-2004, 03:30 PM
It'd definitely be nice to see more complex weather.

As I said in my post about suggestions for BoB It'd be good to see iceing on the engine and airframe as a result of flying in cloudy and rainy conditions. It'd also be good to have windshear and low level turb. Also turb as a result of airflow over hills, mountains etc

Smoke being blown by the wind from the wreckage of crashed aircraft, destroyed vehicles etc - that'd be lovely. Probably a modellers nightmare!

And windsocks! Haha! Yes please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The option to change weather conditions as a co-op progresses would be good too. You could take off in sunshine, fight in cloud, and land in a fully developed thunderstorm.

But maybe this is all stuff for future projects (crosses fingers, make a wish, and whispers, 'B o B B o B') http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-05-2004, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by III.Jg27ADLER:
Ivan, aren't you Oleg's "right hand" here in this forum or maybe I am wrong?!
If yes could you tell him about this threat or
do you know when he is coming back because you see it is more interesting and realistic with wind...
Thnaks a lot!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`m not sure mate, he didn`t tell me which hand i am yet LOL. But i did forward link, always do if it`s a valid request. Not promissing any changes tho.. Oleg concentratets on new sims now, PF and BOB...So those might have it all.

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VMF223_Anderson
05-05-2004, 03:47 PM
&lt;S!&gt;Gents,

I have the good fortune of living in Hawaii, we have trades 90% of the time. Landing is always precarious due to the offshore trades and they vary depending on the weather obviously and your proximity to the Volcano. There is the occasional poor weather buffeting in IL2, but I agree, no where is it near real world in terms of effects as they relate to flight. The wind sock at a airfield, now thats a thought. Taking off into the prevailing wind and landing correctly based on wind would actually make it a bit more real and less arcadish. Maybe the tower could actually report winds from the SE at 5, Approach and land from the NW. Why should MS have all the market there.

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III.Jg27ADLER
05-06-2004, 11:33 AM
@Moby the things you mentioned are really interesting,yes I think that's it should look like.I mean they also got it right in Lock On...
So lets be optimistic!!!
@Ok I didn't know which hand LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))!!
Would be nice if you renmind him that there are some guys who would like to see some "real" weather:P!
Thank you a lot,Ivan!!
See you!

III.Jg27ADLER
05-27-2004, 01:46 PM
Oleg,what are your improvements to the wind and weahter options?Are there any information about that?
We need no more aircrafts what we need is quality like Lock On...we have enough aircraft fo now(which doesn't mean to stop it totally)!!
THX