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ICeSpirit.lt
04-14-2004, 12:07 PM
Is it possible to run out of oxygene in real life(at WWII). If yes is it possible to run out out of that in IL2 ?

Just curious

ICeSpirit.lt
04-14-2004, 12:07 PM
Is it possible to run out of oxygene in real life(at WWII). If yes is it possible to run out out of that in IL2 ?

Just curious

AirBot
04-14-2004, 12:11 PM
No, oxygen is all around you and you can't possibly consume all of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

But seriously, I do believe the oxygen tanks could run dry. I don't think that's modelled in FB though.

georgeo76
04-14-2004, 12:12 PM
Yes. I don't know, but I doubt it.

Interesting question. I'm curious what you history-gurus have to say about oxygen supply and WWII fighters.

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Snow_Wolf_
04-14-2004, 12:16 PM
well if you run out of oxygen you just flying no higher then 10 000 feet

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F19_Ob
04-14-2004, 12:17 PM
Normally oxygen were checked by the groundcrew before every takeoff. Ive read about brittish and finnish pilots who doublechecked it themselves.
Oxygenfailiure sometimes occurred and normally the pilot died, from passing out and crashing.

Its most likely not modeled in FB, but wouldnt it be interresting if U suddenly passed out because u forgot to turn the oxygen on at altitude? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-14-2004, 12:23 PM
If I remember correctly B17 II had you suffer from oxygen loss if that was hit and you lower height to avoid losing conscousness. CFS3 may have had this too... not certain. It should certainly be in FB.

mike_espo
04-14-2004, 12:41 PM
In Samurai, Sakai mentions that in the A5m, they only used oxygen for combat or at altitudes above 3k. He states that he had two hours supply;

"I must emphasize, that our mental reactions at 10000ft after some ninety minutes at this height, without oxygen, we were hardly as reliable as we were on the ground. The air is thin, with correspondingly less oxygen reaching the brain." from Samurai.

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ELEM
04-14-2004, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ob_swe:
Ive read about brittish and finnish pilots who doublechecked it themselves.
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It's the duty of EVERY aircrew to check their oxygen, in their pre flight checks. Wouldn't you? It's your life at stake.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 01:28 PM
For game modding, this would tie in with the Stamina thread, as it falls under flight medicine. Another thing is cold at high altitude--P~38 pilots in Europe really had it bad--or open cockpits.

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04-14-2004, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ob_swe:
Normally oxygen were checked by the groundcrew before every takeoff. Ive read about brittish and finnish pilots who doublechecked it themselves.
Oxygenfailiure sometimes occurred and normally the pilot died, from passing out and crashing.

Its most likely not modeled in FB, but wouldnt it be interresting if U suddenly passed out because u forgot to turn the oxygen on at altitude? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

O2 is not modelled in this sim. No need to worry about hypoxia.

You're absolutley right about O2 failures causing problems. There was a case of a U-2 spy plane that suffered oxygen failure during the climb out, headed south towards Cuba. The pilot lost consciousness and eventually died, while the U-2 kept going south in complete radio silence.... past Cuba.... across the Caribbean sea, and eventually all the way to Brazil where it finally ran out of fuel and crashed.

SUPERAEREO
04-14-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>O2 is not modelled in this sim. No need to worry about hypoxia.

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Even if you can see the oxigen blinker on a few planes, if I may say.

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VF-10_Snacky
04-14-2004, 03:11 PM
Actually the Human Body can't withstand altitudes above 15,000ft without O2. Hypoxia sets in very quickly at these altitudes. There are cases where climbers climbing Mt Everest went much higher than 15k, but they also had O2 and years of conditioning for those altitudes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snow_Wolf_:
well if you run out of oxygen you just flying no higher then 10 000 feet

http://aa.1asphost.com/seafury/Mononoke%20Hime/hime.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[This message was edited by Seawolf_195th on Wed April 14 2004 at 02:23 PM.]

michapma
04-14-2004, 03:24 PM
Cool thread.

Check out some flight manuals to read more about oxygen equipment and procedures...

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mortoma
04-14-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Seawolf_195th:
Actually the Human Body can't withstand altitudes above 15,000ft without O2. Hypoxia sets in very quickly at these altitudes. There are cases where climbers climbing Mt Everest went much higher than 15k, but they also had O2 and years of conditioning for those altitudes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snow_Wolf_:
well if you run out of oxygen you just flying no higher then 10 000 feet

http://aa.1asphost.com/seafury/Mononoke%20Hime/hime.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[This message was edited by Seawolf_195th on Wed April 14 2004 at 02:23 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not neccessarily true, I have been at 17,000 feet in the South American Andes and was at that height for over an hour and I only felt a little goofy and sick. And I was not in all that great shape physically.

Chuck_Older
04-14-2004, 03:45 PM
Every person naturally would have different hypoxia tolerance and symptoms. Common symptons include fingernails turning blue, a sensation of warmth, and increased heartrate.

In WWII, American fighter pilots, as one of their last bits of training, received a course on the effects of oxygen deprivation. They were in a chamber designed to simulate an oxygen scarce environment. Each pilot had a buddy, to make sure the pilot didn't succumb to hypoxia, as first one of the pair, and then the other, removed his oxygen mask as discovered first hand what their own personal warning signs for hypoxia were.

Hypoxia could and did knock out many pilots, and they would die in the resultant crash.

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Snow_Wolf_
04-14-2004, 08:07 PM
OOps typo i bare with me as my english stinks '

What i mean was that IF you don't have oxygen you would not fly at a Height Higher then 10 000feet as in you be flying a 5000feet instead of 18 000feet.

http://aa.1asphost.com/seafury/Mononoke%20Hime/hime.jpg

ELEM
04-15-2004, 02:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
Not neccessarily true, I have been at 17,000 feet in the South American Andes and was at that height for over an hour and I only felt a little goofy and sick. And I was not in all that great shape physically.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you flying? In what? Otherwise how did you get to that alt. for just an hour? I'm guessing you were in a pressurised cabin.

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RdTimeTheCharm
04-15-2004, 07:12 AM
I asked oxygensystems to be implemented into IL2 and FB since its quite important thing when you dont have one. but noooooooo.... Besure. Not important :P

Dont waste your time.