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todd92371
09-04-2004, 08:28 AM
I've noticed that the p-51 guns do not pack alot of punch. I was behind a bf-109 and put about 30 seconds of continued hits into the rear with little effect? Anyone noticed this.

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todd92371
09-04-2004, 08:28 AM
I've noticed that the p-51 guns do not pack alot of punch. I was behind a bf-109 and put about 30 seconds of continued hits into the rear with little effect? Anyone noticed this.

Atticus

Chuck_Older
09-04-2004, 08:30 AM
You need to change your convergance.

I can knock out an FW-190's engine with a burst that's less than a half second, or tear a Bf-109 in half with a second long burst in a P-51B (4 guns)

The problem is you're not hitting with enough weapons. Fine tune your convergance

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Cajun76
09-04-2004, 08:39 AM
I reguarly fly the P-47 and I use a longer convergence than most to take on the occasional bomber from a safer distance. So sometimes I don't keep an enemy fighter dead in the middle of my sights if I'm close. Instead I'll keep my nose to one side or the other to get one bank of my .50's on him. This may also be applicable even if your convergence is tight. Just because he's in the middle of your sight, dosen't mean he's taking all your fire from both wings. Kick your rudder a bit and you'll get'em. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
09-04-2004, 08:52 AM
Like Chuck and Cajun both said. Check you convergence. The guns on the P-51 certainly don't pack as much punch as most of the cannon equipped rides, but they can be quite effective when the bandit is centered in your cone of fire.


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VW-IceFire
09-04-2004, 08:53 AM
With the array of guns on most American fighters, you have to view their guns as a buzzsaw at a certain point. Otherwise they just miss.

The reduced spread on the .50 these days means that this is both easier and harder. I find its harder to work for a kill with the new guns than with the old ones. On the other hand, when I do hit, it seems to be a more devastating shot.

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F19_Ob
09-04-2004, 08:56 AM
One burst can often criple aplane out of fighting condition, the problem is hitting on a vital spot.
Since the mg's dont fire in a continuous stream its quite possible to miss a slightly moving target even if u are directly behind.
Remember also that the visual damage on the skin is limited and the actual damage isnt in total sync with it. So a plane can be severely crippled without any visual damage.

Bearcat99
09-04-2004, 01:28 PM
Set your convergence to around 150-225 max and dont go for rear shots....

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Xnomad
09-04-2004, 01:41 PM
I think you will find that in the P-51 you can slide behind someone give him a good squirt and move on, often he's taken enough damage to stop him from getting home or having an easy landing, the only problem is that your team mates will shoot him down before he crashes.

If I fly through a furball I try not to slow down, I just take snap shots and if you are lucky that no team mates are about then in come the kill messages one by one.

So basically what I'm saying is that the guns aren't the problem it's your team!

You often have to explode the target, rip it in half, or rip it's wings off to be guaranteed a kill, this is only because this causes the guy to go down fast, otherwise if he's dieing slowly you are going to have to work him over if you don't want your kill stolen.

As the P-51 is only fitted out with MG's you aren't going to cause strutural damage as easily as with a cannon so you just have to be patient.

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diomedes33
09-04-2004, 01:51 PM
I was flying the mustang last night to see how the other side lives and keep the teams even. I set the convergence to 250m and bounced 109.

I was expecting a lot of flashes and then flutter and crash. It must have been a shot exactly at convergence, because the thing disintegrated in my sight.

I wouldn't say that they are weak by anymeans, but they are really picky about range. Try to hit the target around your convergence and do not attack from dead 6. Always come a little from the side and above or below.

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hobnail
09-04-2004, 05:34 PM
The P51's guns perform admirably against its traditional foes, the 109, Fw190 (pilot kills anyone?) and Japanese types.

I set convergance at 150m, get closer then get closer still.

WUAF_Badsight
09-04-2004, 06:01 PM
the only place a Bf109 actually has a measure of strength is on dead six

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LEXX_Luthor
09-04-2004, 06:20 PM
This may be our olde voxdei P~51 Fan from the old board now registering. If so, he/she may not have downloaded the recent Patch with the "gibbaged" and more popular 50 calibers.

Wellcome back to Forgotten Board voxdei if that is you....and download Patch 2.01 and 2.04 if you have not yet.


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WTE_Galway
09-04-2004, 07:18 PM
never quite understood the P51 issue when some massive guns like the mk103 and the 37mm in the P63 seem to do even lewss damage than a 0.50 cal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif