PDA

View Full Version : Anybody else expecting the second next gen only game to be better?



king-hailz
09-08-2014, 02:32 PM
I really think that AC Unity 2 (idk what it will be called) will probably be the best one and not ACU since they are still testing it out on next gen... so next they will really know what to do with the Co op and everything to improve on it massively like AC2 to AC1. And like AC3 to AC4.

Any of u think this...

DSafrin
09-08-2014, 03:04 PM
I think it's just obvious that each new game should be improved when compared to the previous titles ;) At least when it comes to gameplay and overall mechanics, because story is a completelly different thing.
Still, I am hoping Unity will be as good as they're advertising it, and if so - that the next game should be even better.

Fatal-Feit
09-08-2014, 03:15 PM
Unity will be revolutionary, but Unity 2 will be better. However, like the pattern was for what AC:2 was to AC:1 and AC:IV was to AC:3, I'm expecting Unity 2 to have a downgrade in a few areas like crowd density, graphics, etc,etc to improve the game-play experience.

As you said, the first game is only to test out the mechanics, really.

ze_topazio
09-08-2014, 03:18 PM
Surely hope so, and I hope Unity 3 is even better.

killzab
09-08-2014, 03:21 PM
Unity will be revolutionary, but Unity 2 will be better. However, like the pattern was for what AC:2 was to AC:1 and AC:IV was to AC:3, I'm expecting Unity 2 to have a downgrade in a few areas like crowd density, graphics, etc,etc to improve the game-play experience.

As you said, the first game is only to test out the mechanics, really.


I see what you did there !

SHADOWGARVIN
09-08-2014, 03:33 PM
I assume it will be even better.

SpiritOfNevaeh
09-08-2014, 03:36 PM
As they get more familiar with the technology they have to deal with on next gen, I'm sure future games will get better as they make progress.

m4r-k7
09-08-2014, 03:47 PM
Graphically, the games will get absolutely incredible.
I mean Ubisoft are always on top of their game in terms of AC graphics - every game has been graphically phenomenal for the year it comes out.
I mean, compare AC 1 with AC 4 graphics on last-gen.
I can't wait to see what they do with the graphics on next-gen consoles.
In terms of story and gameplay, that is usually different for different players.

Megas_Doux
09-08-2014, 03:50 PM
1 + 1 may not equal 2......

AC II was inferior in both graphics and performance compared to AC I.

m4r-k7
09-08-2014, 03:59 PM
AC II was inferior in both graphics to AC I.

Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

VS

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg

AC 1 was an incredible game (probs my favourite) but you cannot say its graphics were better than AC 2's..

Fatal-Feit
09-08-2014, 04:03 PM
AC:1 had better textures, lighting, shadows, and draw distance (especially texture pop-ins).

As a PC gamer, I can vouch for him.

Dag_B
09-08-2014, 04:03 PM
I do not see why anyone would expect otherwise. Because if they knew, Unity will be the best ever and no other game will ever be as good as this... They could stop this series now.

m4r-k7
09-08-2014, 04:04 PM
AC:1 had better textures, lighting, shadows, and draw distance (especially texture pop-ins).

As a PC gamer, I can vouch for him.

Well on console, AC 2 was definitely better in terms of most of those elements.

Fatal-Feit
09-08-2014, 04:06 PM
I don't know about that. They both look bad on my PS3. It's more noticeable with 1080p, I guess.

Megas_Doux
09-08-2014, 04:10 PM
Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

VS

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg

AC 1 was an incredible game (probs my favourite) but you cannot say its graphics were better than AC 2's..



I have played both in the SAME PS3 and the SAME high end PC adapted to the same TV. I can say that AC I not only has better performance in regards of the framerates, but also suffers from WAY less flickering and object popping. All of that while having better lightning, shadows, in game models and WAY better draw distance, which was atrocious in AC II.

AC I

http://www.postavy.cz/obrazky/garnier-de-naplouse-31415.jpg

AC II

http://www.quizz.biz/uploads/quizz/376105/12_g601r.jpg

m4r-k7
09-08-2014, 04:21 PM
^ That AC 2 screenshot is incredibly low res compared to the AC 1 screenshot

D.I.D.
09-08-2014, 04:26 PM
AC:1 had better textures, lighting, shadows, and draw distance (especially texture pop-ins).

As a PC gamer, I can vouch for him.

AC1 was DX10, whereas AC2/B/R were DX9.

Also AC1 had ambient occlusion, which AC2 did not.

Megas_Doux
09-08-2014, 04:28 PM
^ That AC 2 screenshot is incredibly low res compared to the AC 1 screenshot

Yes, but the purpose was to compare the ingame models only:
AC II
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120812084240/assassinscreed/pl/images/c/c6/Mario_i_Ezio_w_Assassin%27s_Creed_II_by_Kubar906.p ng

vs

AC I

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090102110701/assassinscreed/fr/images/8/83/Ascrpc156.jpg

AC II has less details, look at the hair and clothing.


PD those pictures are in regards of models only.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
09-08-2014, 09:30 PM
As long as they keep Unity's formula and simply expand upon it in logical and meaningful ways, then yes. Of course it'll be better.But if they try and add in some new gimmick like den defense or otherwise try and change the foundation of AC, yet again... I'll be disappointed.All they need to do is set the next game in China and give us a female Assassin with all of the gameplay elements of ACU and I'll be happy.

SlyTrooper
09-08-2014, 09:39 PM
It should be better, yes. And about AC1 having better graphics; it does.

Shahkulu101
09-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Better technologically? Very likely.

Better game? 50/50 as always for me.

JustPlainQuirky
09-08-2014, 11:41 PM
The plot will be highly praised and the gameplay will be regarded as stale.

Shahkulu101
09-08-2014, 11:44 PM
Lol AC plot highly praised

JustPlainQuirky
09-08-2014, 11:45 PM
One day we'll get a 10/10 AC game

One day...

Shahkulu101
09-08-2014, 11:47 PM
It kind of saddens me that the only people who think AC stories are any good are hardcore AC fans...

JustPlainQuirky
09-08-2014, 11:49 PM
Pfft I love AC and when I look at the games at an individual level, they're not good.

But when you take the overarching narrative into account, it's amazing.

That's how I percieve it anyway.

Shahkulu101
09-08-2014, 11:51 PM
Everybody else thinks the overarching narrative is just pretentious...

Totalbiscuit said the series has got more and more pretentious as the games have went on.

JustPlainQuirky
09-08-2014, 11:53 PM
I honestly don't care how some youtuber percieves the franchise.

Shahkulu101
09-08-2014, 11:57 PM
Yah but typically they represent the wider community. How many game websites have said AC has great stories? The most wildly praised story is probably AC2 and that is a pretty weak one. And outside of the core AC fanbase and among other avid gamers it's a cash cow that offers nothing but stale gameplay.

ze_topazio
09-08-2014, 11:58 PM
To be fair when you have an ongoing plot centered around conspiracies, the more chapters it gets the more insane it gets, when each new chapter tries to introduce a new one to maintain the excitement things can get quite messed up after a while.

JustPlainQuirky
09-09-2014, 12:00 AM
I think people are slowly growing and appreciating the story.

m4r-k7
09-09-2014, 12:01 AM
To be honest, this might sound bad, but I don't buy the games for there story anymore. I just love the gameplay and historical cities. A good story is an added bonus for me.

RinoTheBouncer
09-09-2014, 12:02 AM
Gameplay-wise and Graphics-wise, most likely. Story-wise, I donít think so.

JustPlainQuirky
09-09-2014, 12:02 AM
I think AC combat (aside from black flag naval) is pretty crap tbh.

Same with the automatic parkour.

I play for the story.

GoldenBoy9999
09-09-2014, 12:02 AM
AC has done pretty good in Game Informer's eyes.

AC1-9.5

AC2-9.5

ACB-9.25

ACR-8.75

AC3-9.5

ACBF-8.25

Still hasn't achieved that perfect 10 though.

Shahkulu101
09-09-2014, 12:06 AM
AC has done pretty good in Game Informer's eyes.

AC1-9.5

AC2-9.5

ACB-9.25

ACR-8.75

AC3-9.5

ACBF-8.25

Still hasn't achieved that perfect 10 though.

I guess those cover stories GI does every year really pay off for Ubisoft then... :p

*Tightens tinfoil hat*

m4r-k7
09-09-2014, 12:08 AM
AC has done pretty good in Game Informer's eyes.

AC1-9.5

AC2-9.5

ACB-9.25

ACR-8.75

AC3-9.5

ACBF-8.25

Still hasn't achieved that perfect 10 though.

Wow how did Black Flag get the lowest score?!?!?!!

ze_topazio
09-09-2014, 12:10 AM
I remember a few years ago for a game to get more than 7 or 8 would have to be a borderline masterpiece, game reviewers are too kind this days.

Shahkulu101
09-09-2014, 12:11 AM
Don't understand how AC1 and AC3 can be 9.5's.

Those can't be genuine I'm sorry.

Landruner
09-09-2014, 12:19 AM
I honestly don't care how some youtuber percieves the franchise.

Yes! you are sure right, but TB is not really a vulgar Youtuber.... and even being myself a considered AC fan I some kind of agree with him as well.

JustPlainQuirky
09-09-2014, 12:21 AM
I agree with TB that the gameplay is stale.

But I don't agree with the writing of ACIV being phenomenal.

#unlessthatpreventsmysunandstarsfrommarryingme

GoldenBoy9999
09-09-2014, 12:21 AM
Wow how did Black Flag get the lowest score?!?!?!!

Lol, yeah. A lot of people consider AC4 to be way better than AC3.


I guess those cover stories GI does every year really pay off for Ubisoft then... :p

*Tightens tinfoil hat*

The only one that I know of that didn't have a cover story was Black Flag. I guess we know why it had the lowest score now...


Don't understand how AC1 and AC3 can be 9.5's.

Those can't be genuine I'm sorry.

Well, AC1 was the first of it's kind. I honestly don't know how AC3 got a 9.5. The sub-heading for the review says "Staggering Scope And Breadth" :rolleyes:

Shahkulu101
09-09-2014, 12:33 AM
I agree with TB that the gameplay is stale.

But I don't agree with the writing of ACIV being phenomenal.

#unlessthatpreventsmysunandstarsfrommarryingme

I think TB just loved the pirate dialogue, which you can't deny is pretty entertaining. I also thought the general writing was great. Edwards story is one I was invested in more than anything else.

But I don't know, I'm a bit of an ACIV fanatic.

JustPlainQuirky
09-09-2014, 12:35 AM
I want to replay ACIV.

But I can't find it cheap online for ps4 hnghh....

EmbodyingSeven5
09-09-2014, 12:41 AM
I have played both in the SAME PS3 and the SAME high end PC adapted to the same TV. I can say that AC I not only has better performance in regards of the framerates, but also suffers from WAY less flickering and object popping. All of that while having better lightning, shadows, in game models and WAY better draw distance, which was atrocious in AC II.

AC I

http://www.postavy.cz/obrazky/garnier-de-naplouse-31415.jpg


AC II

http://www.quizz.biz/uploads/quizz/376105/12_g601r.jpg

that was like putting a picture of a convicted criminal next to a picture of a six year old

Jexx21
09-09-2014, 12:41 AM
Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

VS

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg

AC 1 was an incredible game (probs my favourite) but you cannot say its graphics were better than AC 2's..

lol, AC1 totally looks better in that shot. Plus look at that lighting. Man, AC1 had some great lighting there.

Jexx21
09-09-2014, 12:45 AM
Gameplay-wise and Graphics-wise, most likely. Story-wise, I donít think so.

you know nothing about the story of the next AC game, how the **** can you even say you don't think the story is going to be as good

Considering the track record of them actually having better stories in the latter entries rather than the earlier entries, I don't understand how you could think the story would get worse anyway.

GoldenBoy9999
09-09-2014, 01:10 AM
lol, AC1 totally looks better in that shot. Plus look at that lighting. Man, AC1 had some great lighting there.

Yep, I do think AC1 looks better in that pic. I need to buy AC1 again, I've completely forgot how it looks.

Megas_Doux
09-09-2014, 01:18 AM
AC has never had a AAA quality story ala The last Of Us, Red Dead Redemption, Far Cry 3 just to name a few. The thing is that with time that gets harders due to writers running out of stories, cough, cough annual games, cough, cough.


And AC I runs with D10 whuereas AC II with DX9.......

Shahkulu101
09-09-2014, 01:28 AM
Lol Far Cry 3

EDIT: I mean this being mentioned as a good story. It's a near flawless game for me in terms of actual mechanics.

Fatal-Feit
09-09-2014, 02:32 AM
The only AC that gets a 9/10 is AC:IV, for me.

Most of them are under 7, AC:3 included. Actually, I don't have any that are an 8/10.

But speaking of, AC has good graphics? Pfft, what? I wouldn't say it's terrible, but it's not spectacular either. The animations are great in some areas, but it's drab in most others.

As for the story, I have to say, it has gotten a whole lot better. After AC:1, the story became more one-dimensional, cartoony, pretentious, and very, very rhetorical. Prior to AC:R/3, I didn't play the games for their stories, I just jumped into them as a regular overrated AAA title with little to no changes (like COD - shoot me). But the North American Saga have really strengthened the stories and set a higher standard.

Also, AC:IV had fantastic writing. What are you talking about Mayrice? Replay it, ASAP. :p Everything was witty and charming. You can quote almost anything from the entire script.

Dev_Anj
09-09-2014, 04:35 AM
Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

VS

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg


AC 1 was an incredible game (probs my favourite) but you cannot say its graphics were better than AC 2's..

So let me talk about these images. Note in the AC 1 image that it has very soft lighting which casts shadows on some areas to separate them from the areas of interest, i.e the rooftops. Also note that it has a subtle brown hue to indicate how dusty the place is, being that it's located in a desert after all. Note also how the walls of the house have some rough, hewn details and parts of the trees facing away from the buildings are lit.

In the AC 2 image, there is none of that. Sure, the wall nearby has some detail, but the wall behind doesn't, there is no light and shadow interplay, the shadows just seemed to be lazily aligned to one side, and the ground scheme, which is very prominent, is monotonous.

So yes, I think AC 1 looks better in these images.

ze_topazio
09-12-2014, 09:58 PM
http://www.postavy.cz/obrazky/garnier-de-naplouse-31415.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/03/article-2081595-00800FFA00000258-809_233x401.jpg

JustPlainQuirky
09-12-2014, 10:01 PM
The only AC that gets a 9/10 is AC:IV, for me.

Most of them are under 7, AC:3 included. Actually, I don't have any that are an 8/10.

But speaking of, AC has good graphics? Pfft, what? I wouldn't say it's terrible, but it's not spectacular either. The animations are great in some areas, but it's drab in most others.

As for the story, I have to say, it has gotten a whole lot better. After AC:1, the story became more one-dimensional, cartoony, pretentious, and very, very rhetorical. Prior to AC:R/3, I didn't play the games for their stories, I just jumped into them as a regular overrated AAA title with little to no changes (like COD - shoot me). But the North American Saga have really strengthened the stories and set a higher standard.

Also, AC:IV had fantastic writing. What are you talking about Mayrice? Replay it, ASAP. :p Everything was witty and charming. You can quote almost anything from the entire script.

I would replay it but I'm trying to find it cheap on PS4 first.

SixKeys
09-13-2014, 08:59 AM
Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

VS

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg

AC 1 was an incredible game (probs my favourite) but you cannot say its graphics were better than AC 2's..

I don't know what one has to be smoking to claim the second image looks better than the first.

GoldenBoy9999
09-13-2014, 11:36 AM
Wat

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18864/13.jpg

http://www.wsgf.org/f/u/imagecache/node-gallery-display/contrib/dr/398/ingame_16x9.jpg



I haven't played AC1 in years so I was under the impression the graphics were the worst. Now I don't know if that first image is PC and the second is console but the first looks a lot better. The use of shadows and light and detail is better.

Fatal-Feit
09-13-2014, 02:13 PM
They are most likely PS3 screenshots, due to the lack of aliasing.

killzab
09-13-2014, 02:32 PM
They are most likely PS3 screenshots, due to the lack of aliasing.

You mean PC

Fatal-Feit
09-13-2014, 03:41 PM
You mean PC

Anti-Aliasing*, thanks.

killzab
09-13-2014, 05:03 PM
They're PC screenshots anyway

RinoTheBouncer
09-13-2014, 05:30 PM
There was a significant gap between the way ACI and ACII look compared to AC:R, ACIII and even ACIV on PS3. That keeps me wondering how different/better will the last AC on PS4 will look like compared to Unity. One thing that worries me is how the gap between generations is getting small. So I just hope the graphical improvements wonít be negligible.