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EmptyCrustacean
08-30-2014, 03:57 PM
Potential spoilers:

The developer said the ending of Assassin's Creed Rogue is the beginning of Assassin's Creed Unity, right? I think Shay (Rogue protagonist) kills Arno's father because he betrayed him hence starting his Templar path. This leads Elise's Templar father to take Arno under his wing and protect him from the truth about his father hence how Arno and Elise meet and fall in love.

JustPlainQuirky
08-30-2014, 03:58 PM
Could work.

People already suggested that tho.

Layytez
08-30-2014, 04:10 PM
If the dates match up why not.

Shahkulu101
08-30-2014, 04:17 PM
Wouldn't be Shay be too old by then?

And what business would he have in France if he is part of the North American branch?

This would feel too contrived, to be honest with you.

CoachAssassin
08-30-2014, 04:18 PM
Arno's dad is the one we see in the trailer, confirmed. I thought we all knew this. That AtA facebook page even posted a close up photo..
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10540798_544397445661169_4891476810899397757_n.jpg ?oh=df2350b140962e526aef0bbd1b8ba733&oe=54639E2B&__gda__=1417066957_c181dd65590f484e26ebd9e153a1fd3 2

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-30-2014, 04:19 PM
Interesting idea. That could work.

CoachAssassin
08-30-2014, 04:20 PM
Wouldn't be Shay be too old by then?

And what business would he have in France if he is part of the North American branch?

This would feel too contrived, to be honest with you.

He would be 45, Arnos dad is never confirmed to be in France at the the time of his dead, its the french english war, English backed by templars and French by assassins.

JustPlainQuirky
08-30-2014, 04:21 PM
Arno's dad is the one we see in the trailer, confirmed. I thought we all knew this. That AtA facebook page even posted a close up photo..
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10540798_544397445661169_4891476810899397757_n.jpg ?oh=df2350b140962e526aef0bbd1b8ba733&oe=54639E2B&__gda__=1417066957_c181dd65590f484e26ebd9e153a1fd3 2

WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT? SOURCE? SOURCE?

Where does it directly state it's Arno's dad?

CoachAssassin
08-30-2014, 04:22 PM
Oh, nvm. It's not confirmed and I am not allowed to discuss the source. :|, My bad Mayrice didn't want to give you a heart attack haha.

Shahkulu101
08-30-2014, 04:22 PM
He would be 45, Arnos dad is never confirmed to be in France at the the time of his dead, its the french english war, English backed by templars and French by assassins.

Where is the proof that that's Arno's dad? Or are you just connecting the dots?

JustPlainQuirky
08-30-2014, 04:24 PM
if that IS Arno's dad, Ubi are clever bastards for putting the surprise directly in the trailer.

SlyTrooper
08-30-2014, 04:54 PM
if that IS Arno's dad, Ubi are clever bastards for putting the surprise directly in the trailer.

Why would Arno's dad be there? It is possible, but why? Is he there to support the French?

JustPlainQuirky
08-30-2014, 04:57 PM
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/12346038/2/stock-photo-12346038-doctor-wearing-shirt-and-tie-with-don-t-know-look.jpg

Don't look at me. I'm just saying it's possible.

Hans684
08-30-2014, 05:54 PM
No, the connections I see is either the long lost teased box(es) or Elise's father knowing Shay one way or another.

guardian_titan
08-30-2014, 06:53 PM
We know Haytham will be in Rogue. If the two are working together at any point, that means Shay's likely turning Templar and became one by the end of the game, not after the game ends.

Haytham also spent time in Troyes, France with Reginald Birch (it's in the novel Forsaken, not AC3). While Reginald died in 1757, that's not to say there still isn't a reason for Haytham to have a connection to France afterward.

Haytham's more likely to be the connection. If anything, Haytham probably killed Arno's father for Reginald. Haytham has Assassin training so could be mistaken for an Assassin. He's also a Templar. Rogue's been marketed as the conclusion to the Kenway saga so makes sense to have multiple connections to them and not necessarily Shay to Arno. It could be Shay to Haytham to Arno.

m4r-k7
08-30-2014, 06:58 PM
Perhaps Shay is the templar grand master who is Elises father and takes in Arno as Arnos father was Shays assassin friend from a very young age.

I think in rogue we will see Arnos father and Shay be good friends and even though Shay joins the templars he doesn't have it in him to kill Arnos father. Another templar kills Arnos real father and so Shay takes him in.

(I havnt looked at the dates so don't know if this would make sense)

Layytez
08-30-2014, 06:59 PM
Perhaps Shay is the templar grand master who is Elises father and takes in Arno as Arnos father was Shays assassin friend from a very young age.

I think in rogue we will see Arnos father and Shay be good friends and even though Shay joins the templars he doesn't have it in him to kill Arnos father. Another templar kills Arnos real father and so Shay takes him in.

(I havnt looked at the dates so don't know if this would make sense)
Been confirmed Shay isn't Elise"s father. They said there is a mystery in Unity and the end of Rouge reveals it. So if Shay were to kill Arno's father we would play the whole game without finding out who killed his dad. Doesn't feel like much of a mystery because it seems too likely. They could do a triple double whammy sidestep to throw us but still have Shay involved.

AherasSTRG
08-30-2014, 06:59 PM
Rule No. 1 of Internet and Science:

"When you think of something, someone else has already thought of it. The point is, can you prove it?"

- Aheradrim

aL_____eX
08-30-2014, 08:16 PM
It has to be the box. :( I want my box to be in Rogue and Unity and to get the respectful treatment it deserves. #lovemyembersbox

SlyTrooper
08-30-2014, 08:48 PM
It would actually make sense for the connection to be finding out it was Shay who killed Arno's real father. I mean, Unity is about Arno tracking down the killer of his adoptive father, so this could be a different link than one directly linking to the main plot of Unity.

Let me explain my idea further: Arno's father is French, so he may have left to go help the Assassins in North America because the French are involved in the war - he could have been ordered to go there. He could be one of the Assassins who tries to kill Shay, so he becomes one of Shay's main targets. But Arno's dad could flee back to the France when he hears about what Shay is doing. At the end of the game, Shay then travels to France & kills him, thus tying into Rogue. It isn't too unrealistic because Shay will be targeting him for good reasons.

Namikaze_17
08-30-2014, 10:10 PM
No, the connections I see is either the long lost teased box(es) or Elise's father knowing Shay one way or another.

^ This. The whole "Shay kills Arno's dad" sounds far-fetched to me because:
- How would Shay even know or care?
-Would'nt Arno's dad well be in...FRANCE? He did meet an Austrian woman you know? ;)
- It sounds too obvious to be the bridge between the two games...
- Elise's Dad is a Templar

At least with Elise's dad, he was a Templar, and could've left for something Templar-related going in France...then Shay knowing he's the only 'Brother' he trusts, gives him the Box saying: "Keep it safe..." "Know it's Purpose" or some other ***z.

Hans684
08-30-2014, 10:18 PM
^ This. The whole "Shay kills Arno's dad" sounds far-fetched to me because:
- How would Shay even know or care?
-Would'nt Arno's dad well be in...FRANCE? He did meet an Austrian woman you know? ;)
- It sounds too obvious to be the bridge between the two games...
- Elise's Dad is a Templar

That idea isn't much of a surprise and Rogue's end is supposed to be surprising.


At least with Elise's dad, he was a Templar, and could've left for something Templar-related going in France...then Shay knowing he's the only 'Brother' he trusts, gives him the Box saying: "Keep it safe..." "Know it's Purpose" or some other ***z.

Or Elise's father travel to the America some time during the French and Indian war(seven years war). And the box(es) is passed to him from Shay.

Namikaze_17
08-30-2014, 10:31 PM
@Hans

I agree...and what do you mean Boxes?

Are you on to something?

Landruner
08-30-2014, 11:38 PM
Okay, here is what I pull of
It can be his father if he only died in 1761 or 1763 and Arno is in his late 20's or 30's in Unity at the beginning of the French revolution . Apparently Rogue is set between 1752-1761 and Unity before 1789 and 1799.
It could also be Arno's father as being a French fighting during the 7 years war. So it is possible.
The link is plausible

naumaan
09-01-2014, 02:23 AM
i dont think it would be like this .. it will be more of ancient civilization myth, some piece of eden problem ... shifted from acu to rogue as in all games only these eden pieces connect

EmbodyingSeven5
09-01-2014, 04:00 AM
would Shay live long enough to become the grand master Templar in AC U?

Fatal-Feit
09-01-2014, 04:17 AM
would Shay live long enough to become the grand master Templar in AC U?

He would be an 80-90 year old man.

Hans684
09-01-2014, 04:56 AM
@Hans

I agree...and what do you mean Boxes?

Are you on to something?

During the Freedom Cry time there was speculation if the box Adéwalé had was Ezio's or another box.

locketcoket
09-01-2014, 05:16 AM
During the Freedom Cry time there was speculation if the box Adéwalé had was Ezio's or another box.

What do you mean Adewales's box? Sorry I didn't play Freedom Cry (should I)


He would be an 80-90 year old man.

We've seen old Templar Grand Masters before . *cough cough* Torres *cough cough* *sees El Tiburon* *pees in pants* *runs*

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 05:45 AM
During the Freedom Cry time there was speculation if the box Adéwalé had was Ezio's or another box.

I still think it's the same...

But if there are two, my questions are:

- What's in it?
-Where's the other one?
-Who left it? Minerva? Jupiter?
- Who/ what are these boxes meant for?
Etc. Etc.

souNdwAve89
09-01-2014, 06:17 AM
would Shay live long enough to become the grand master Templar in AC U?

No, because...

Elise's father is the Grand Master of the French Templars. Also, Haytham is the Grand Master of the Colonial Templars during the time of Rogue and AC3, and then Charles Lee after when Hatham dies.


What do you mean Adewales's box? Sorry I didn't play Freedom Cry (should I)



We've seen old Templar Grand Masters before . *cough cough* Torres *cough cough* *sees El Tiburon* *pees in pants* *runs*

Freedom Cry is a very good DLC. It's probably my favorite AC DLC so far.



Also, I really don't like this speculation to be true either. It feels kinda forced, but hey, it can work, if executed properly.

jeordievera
09-01-2014, 07:47 AM
Arno's dad is the one we see in the trailer, confirmed. I thought we all knew this. That AtA facebook page even posted a close up photo..
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10540798_544397445661169_4891476810899397757_n.jpg ?oh=df2350b140962e526aef0bbd1b8ba733&oe=54639E2B&__gda__=1417066957_c181dd65590f484e26ebd9e153a1fd3 2
Oh I thought this was Shay in the picture when the Assassins betrayed him and left him to die or smthg?
Also I firstly thought of Shay killing Arno's real dad could be a thing but it really makes no sense for him to travel that far.

Assassin_M
09-01-2014, 07:54 AM
Arno's dad dies in 1776. Shay would be about mid 40s...firstly, there's no reason for him to leave for France when the american Templars have started the revolution there and that said, I don't think they'll show France in Rogue anyway for such a short sequence--second, if he stayed and Arno's father was the one in America, I don't see why Achilles would not send Connor to protect him or something nor how it will remain a mystery during the entirety of Unity, I mean...surely, Arno would likely discover who killed his father too, if he's going after the one who killed his adoptive father (Ubisoft just doesn't want to say that it doesn't completely appear that they're copying and pasting AC II's premise)

it's too obvious, people....Shay does not kill Arno's father.

Hans684
09-01-2014, 04:08 PM
I still think it's the same...

But if there are two, my questions are:

- What's in it?
-Where's the other one?
-Who left it? Minerva? Jupiter?
- Who/ what are these boxes meant for?
Etc. Etc.

Would be strange consider how similar they look, as for awnsers. I don't expect it any time soon. It's for now just meant to cause speculation, like if Ezio was poisoned or died of heart attack. It's Darby's writhing at it's finest.

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 04:10 PM
it's too obvious, people....Shay does not kill Arno's father.

you seem sure of yourself. I'm writing down those words just in case. :rolleyes:

m4r-k7
09-01-2014, 04:17 PM
Well Achille's will kill Shay I reckon.
Perhaps Shay leaves the French Templar Grand Master something important like a piece of eden which then passes on to Elise when he dies.

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 04:18 PM
Plot twist:

Haytham kills Shay.

OR

Connor kills old man Shay.

OR

Shay freezes to death trying to save someone.

OR

Shay goes down with his ship.

m4r-k7
09-01-2014, 04:20 PM
^ Could be possible. But seeing as Achilles is the leader of the colonial assassns during this time and he doesn't die in Rogue I think it will be Achilles.

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 04:23 PM
In the PAX trailer Shay is shown rekin Achilles and handicapping him.

How could Achilles kill him after that?

Shahkulu101
09-01-2014, 05:00 PM
Hope we switch to Achilles and kill Shay in cold blood even though Shay spared him.

A real dark side to the Assassin's and Achilles.

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 05:12 PM
I would hate Achilles even more if he did that.

Xstantin
09-01-2014, 05:23 PM
Hope we switch to Achilles and kill Shay in cold blood even though Shay spared him.

A real dark side to the Assassin's and Achilles.

Won't it just be Achilles doing his job?

Shahkulu101
09-01-2014, 05:46 PM
Won't it just be Achilles doing his job?

Yeah, but he would be killing him despite the fact Shay spared him - assuming that's what happened...

SlyTrooper
09-01-2014, 06:15 PM
I would love to play as Achilles to kill Shay. I imagine that Achilles was a beast in his prime.

Xstantin
09-01-2014, 06:22 PM
Technically, Achilles already did that though indirectly. Haytham spared him later on he just trained Connor insisting that killing his father is a priority.

Hans684
09-01-2014, 06:22 PM
Won't it just be Achilles doing his job?

Indeed and he would be like "break a leg" when killing Shay.

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 08:55 PM
Plot twist:

Haytham kills Shay.

OR

Connor kills old man Shay.

OR

Shay freezes to death trying to save someone.

OR

Shay goes down with his ship.

I'm Confident option two or four will happen...

Or perhaps Achilles kills shay. ;)

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 09:04 PM
@namikaze

I want Haytham to kill Shay kind of like a middlefinger betrayal.

But I like the idea of Shay freezing to death in the icy waters to save someone.

But then we'd never get our Connor cameo.

Choices choices...


Indeed and he would be like "break a leg" when killing Shay.

oh god.

that pun was so bad it's a sin.

go pray to thy lord for forgiveness.

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 09:12 PM
@Mayrice

Wouldn't Haytham killing Shay or Old Shay killing Connor still make them look like Cold bastards?

So much for a grey area...

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 09:14 PM
Haytham killing Shay just sounds like something Haytham would do, lol. Nothing to do with templar representation in that case.

And I was saying Connor killing old Shay. (and by that i mean Connor just chillin next to him while Shay dies of old age anyway,lol)

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 09:21 PM
Haytham killing Shay just sounds like something Haytham would do, lol. Nothing to do with templar representation in that case.

And I was saying Connor killing old Shay. (and by that i mean Connor just chillin next to him while Shay dies of old age anyway,lol)

I understand what you're saying about Old Shay and Connor...But I'm saying that to the Casual player, it's still gonna make the Templars look like Cold Bastards.

Same with Haytham killing Shay though that would be epic and unexpected...well not really since we're talking about it. ;)

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 09:24 PM
Templars will always be seen as cold bastards to Casuals.

That's what makes them Casuals.

They don't look deep into things.

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 09:27 PM
Templars will always be seen as cold bastards to Casuals.

That's what makes them Casuals.

They don't look deep into things.

They don't look deeply into anything really...

SlyTrooper
09-01-2014, 11:02 PM
I understand what you're saying about Old Shay and Connor...But I'm saying that to the Casual player, it's still gonna make the Templars look like Cold Bastards.

Same with Haytham killing Shay though that would be epic and unexpected...well not really since we're talking about it. ;)

Maybe Shay tries to kill Ziio? That could make Haytham angry enough to kill him.

JustPlainQuirky
09-01-2014, 11:03 PM
Haytham already broke up with Ziio by then.

And Ziio states she hasn't seen him since the break up, basically.

Namikaze_17
09-01-2014, 11:07 PM
Maybe Shay tries to kill Ziio? That could make Haytham angry enough to kill him.

Or maybe the two have a relationship that Haytham eventually knows to Kill him...










Though that's on the Fanfiction tip...:rolleyes:

SlyTrooper
09-01-2014, 11:56 PM
Haytham already broke up with Ziio by then.

And Ziio states she hasn't seen him since the break up, basically.

It is evident that he still cares about her when he says to Connor "how is your mother?" Remember that she broke up with him, not the other way around. Haytham even said he wonders what it would have been like if they stayed together.

EmbodyingSeven5
09-02-2014, 12:10 AM
He would be an 80-90 year old man.

still would be freakin awesome in my book