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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:09 PM
I just wonder if this joystick is as good as it looks?
I use a wingman extreme digital force feedback and i think it is a little "loose" and "nervous".

Is Saitek X45 recomendable?

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:09 PM
I just wonder if this joystick is as good as it looks?
I use a wingman extreme digital force feedback and i think it is a little "loose" and "nervous".

Is Saitek X45 recomendable?

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:18 PM
I think it looks like a peice of 80's junk.

Is that a joystick, or a flour sifter?

The buttons are cheap like those in an American Car.

It's got no force feedback.

I tried moving the throttle back and forth in the store and the thing nearly tipped over.

No, it is not good.

The best setup is a Microsoft Force Feedback2 with a CH Pro throttle USB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:21 PM
Has it a bad force feedback?

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:26 PM
Buy the

Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Force feedback

it has a stick and a throttle that can be combined
together as one base or used seperatley apart to
increase the distance between the 2.

It looks a bit silly (but then most Jstcks do)
but is a really good stick and the latest drivers
fro it a really accurate and responsive.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:28 PM
Lithium1970 wrote:
- Has it a bad force feedback?


What the X45? I don't think it has any force feedback.

The MS FFB2 does though. It's the #1 selling force feedback joystick in North America. I modify all of my force files in my FB folder to my liking.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:28 PM
What is the price of Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Force feedback ?

Tully__
07-22-2003, 01:32 PM
I (and many others) use and enjoy the X45 as a stick that is very good value for money. It doesn't offer force feedback, so if that's what you want go for something else.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:32 PM
The Top GunT AfterBurnerForceT Feedback Joystick they have for like $90 on thier site. It doesn't look like it has enough buttons though.
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:32 PM
It doesnt have feedback at all. Most ppl I know who own a X45 like it a lot. Theres some problems setting it up on an winXP machine but it can be done. Have a try in the store to see whether u like how your hands lay on it. Also the rudder is on the throttle which i personally do not like. There are a good amount of buttons and 2 hat switches so its well equipped. Ignore most of what baybanjockey says, hes well beyond the reach of mortals.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:34 PM
It has more buttons then a cougar, theres a adjustment screw on the bottom of the throttle so you can choose any setting you like. Most morons haven't noticed it. It has no force feedback and doesnt have a twist rudder. The spring are very tight and gets you a perfect even calibration. Like all controllers velcro sheets attached to the bottom of the joystick and desk are always the best option to make sure it wont move. With a saitek x45 you wont have to every use your keyboard. Its probally the best stick for FB and a pretty reasonable price too and it has mouse cursor control. So far the best stick I've owned of course with rudder pedals. It doesnt even compair to a msffb2 which breaks ever 6 months and they are no longer making them because of that problem.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:36 PM
I use an X45 and have found it excellent. I run XP Pro and had no problems setting it up or running it.



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:38 PM
If you can't twist the stick, then forget about it.

The MSFFB2 is very heavy and doesn't need "velco" to keep it on base.

And the CH Pro Throttle slides forward and back so it never wants to lift off the desk either.

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Message Edited on 07/22/0308:40AM by RayBanJockey

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:50 PM
Well I have an X36 (forerunner to the x45) which has come outta retirement when my Cougar Throttle pot died (still waiting for a replacement *sigh*). I liked the stick but after a year the stick centering got sloppy, but they seem to have made revisions to deal with this on the x45 with a centering spring.

As for the drivers and XP, DO NOT USE OUTTA THE BOX DRIVERS. Saitek seems to have finally fixed the XP driver problem. When I hooked up my X36, I went to the saitek website (www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com)) first to download their lastest build, and they work very well, no issues dso far (been a coupla weeks).

Their are third party drivers available if you experience difficulties, but I advise you to try the Saitek drivers first. I used and liked the third party stuff when I was using it about 8 months ago.

Go here for more info if ya have problems: http://saitekhelp.simhq.com/

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:00 PM
/\_ What he said.


I'd like to add that I too use an X.36 Stick/Throttle Combo and am VERY happy with it. The 36 and the 45 are identical apart from the spring and a few minor cosmetic changes.

You don't need a twist stick, because on the throttle, under your middle fingers is a rocker which is used as the rudder. I have found it intuitive to use and utterly reliable. The concept of twisting a stick to provide rudder seems IMHO to detract from the "feel" of the game - though each to their own I suppose.

I use the 36 under XP Pro with the updated Saitek SST software and have had no problems, even when combined with a Saitek GM2/3 Pad and mouse which I use for the bombsight controls.

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Zayets
07-22-2003, 02:07 PM
I bought it for Falcon 4 since I can't afford yet a Cougar. Still I kept my AVB pegasus FFB. One thing is good on X45 , you will never touch the keyboard while flying , and this is also for Falcon 4. When I feel like I play with FFB I switch to my old AVB , I was coupled for while my FFB with the X45 throttle but you don't have controlon sensitivity after. Is a good stick money/quality. Idiots like RBJ can't understand there are better tools than what he use. Also , I have seen better IL2 players than him.
Ask yourself what do you want , a FFB stick or a multifunction one. If you want a FFB , then X45 is not for you. I don't play with FFB anymore coz is doing lot of noise and I wake up my boyz. My wife used to b!tch me when I was taking off in IL2 , so she bought me the X45. I was happy all day long and invited her to the restaurant.
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:13 PM
Salute Lithium1970



I use the ch combat stick and pro throttle... Its a great stick with a great price tag on it...I also have the x45 but I dont like the slack of the stick... Its not smooth(compared to the Ch products).. Not even close.. I would recommend you do some research and find the one for you..X45's are OK, but if your looking for something to last you awhile, look into the ones that cost a little more.. Usually put together a little better..Just my thoughts


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:45 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I think it looks like a peice of 80's junk.
-
- Is that a joystick, or a flour sifter?
-
- The buttons are cheap like those in an American Car.
-
- It's got no force feedback.
-
- I tried moving the throttle back and forth in the
- store and the thing nearly tipped over.
-
- No, it is not good.
-
- The best setup is a Microsoft Force Feedback2 with a
- CH Pro throttle USB.
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- still a newbie.
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"I tried moving the throttle back and forth in the store"

Sounds like a good advice from some1 who acctualy has used the joy for a while....doh moron.

I have owned and used mine for over 1 year now and i'm very pleased with it and it's working very nice. It doesen't have force feedback but thats something i don't want.



Message Edited on 07/22/0303:46PM by txmx

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:36 PM
The Saitex X45 is actually great. I own it and use it with most of my games. Morons just dont know how to adjust the tightness of the throttle so when they go into the store and notice that the throttle falls over, they're idiots. Its a very good and very fun joystick to use. And with certain things, very realistic. Everythings at your figertips and is easy to get to. I highly recommend the Saitek X45

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:38 PM
i still have one, but i use my sidewinder, the saitek is too bulkey and like he said you move the throttle it tips over (you can adjust friction though) its the joystick friction i dont like

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:57 PM
I'm very happy with my X45, had it for nearly 6 months now. I found no problem programming it with the latest Saitek drivers, I've not tried Dhauzimmers that some folk use.

The only bit I don't like is the rudder rocker on the throttle handle. I couldn't get used to it and had to buy some CH Pro pedals. More expense but now I wonder how on earth I ever got by without pedals. The rudder twist grip on my old stick sucks in comparison.

For the price, the X45 is well worth it. But if you are happy with your existing stick and are stinking rich, then go and buy the CH Pro Throttle unit to go with it. I certainly couldn't afford it though.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:18 PM
X-45 is a great stick throttle combo. More than enough buttons and functions. Get it at Saitek's site as a reconditioned unit (as I did) and save.

http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html


When I ordered mine I asked about a part for my USB 3D gold and they sent it with the new stick free of charge, so now the broken one is fixed and passed on to my nephew and I have a great stick in the X-45 to boot. Although the one I bought was reconditioned, it was in like new condition when I received it, not even a scratch. As far as the throttle tipping over, I have never had this happen, works great.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:53 PM
i use this stick, and it works great, u will need to get used to *** well, it was kind of hard for me, but afther i am kicking *** with it, i almost dont use the keyboard as i have many botons to the range of my fingers, it is good one, but it depends on what u r loking for to

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:46 PM
I have a X-45 and never had problems on windows XP. I once had MS FF pro and the FF jerks all the time adn it was very difficult to aim; that was my experience on original IL-2. Now it's all perfect /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:53 PM
I just think it's flimsy and ugly (stick looks like a flour sifter) And does it even twist? If not say hello to rudder pedals and hemorrhoids.
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adlabs6
07-22-2003, 07:56 PM
I like my X45 very much. I've used Dhauzimmers drivers since I brought it home, no problems there either.

No the X45 has no force feedback. But I've tried a few force feedbacks, and didn't like it, so I'm happy.

No the X45 doesn't have a twist stick. It has a rocker lever on the throttle which is vastly more accurate in my experience.

What I like most about the X45 is the "strong" pull that stick has. Feels very solid, and rarely do I make a motion with the stick that was not completely intentional.

My X45 never leaves the place where I put it during usage due to sliding. I just stuck four sticky compound feet on the bottom of each part, and never looked back.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:00 PM
Oh god, I love X-45!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:30 PM
Dude get a MS FFB2. There is no "controlling the rudder with your thumb" Having a twist stick is much better. for a start it centers. And it is completely natural to twist the stick some in the direction you are turning. Save the sliders for something important, like elvator trim. It is a heavy stick too. They put the power pack inside the stick this time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:36 PM
X45 is a great hotas system, its also fairly cheap now. I would highly recommend it. I would also recommend CH pedels.

Twist rudder sucks.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:37 PM
Blimey Ray is that the CH Pro throttle? It looks cheap and nasty for something that costs so much. Don't jump down my throat now, I've never used one and of course it's how it plays and feels that's important.
It just looks, well, sparse.

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07-22-2003, 08:50 PM
Dunkelgrun wrote:
- Blimey Ray is that the CH Pro throttle? It looks
- cheap and nasty for something that costs so much.
- Don't jump down my throat now, I've never used one
- and of course it's how it plays and feels that's
- important.
- It just looks, well, sparse.


You are right but it gets the job done. The flat throttle slider is nice. It moves smoothly and since it is flat there is no up or down torque. There are ample buttons. The only better throttle is the one with the Cougar but unfortunately it comes in a $300 package connected to a non force feedback stick (sadsmileyface.rbj)

It costs so much because it is such a niche item. They don't even have them in the Best buy store. I ordered it online from them for like $120. Could have got it for less from a online cutthroat biz but I like if I have a problem I can just drive to Best Buy. They have a liberal return policy.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:57 PM
http://shop.microsoft.com/Global/Images/products/screenshots/10560_fs2.jpg PLUS http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/x45.jpg PLUShttp://www.chproducts.com/retail/products/usb/propedals.jpg = A GREAT COMBO!!

I use both sticks and they both are great. I use the MSFFB2 for my flight controls,weps,prop pitch,mixture,supercharger and four views (even though it is an 8 way hat I find the 12,3,6 & 9 O'clock positions sufficient) and the twist handle on the MSFFB stick is used for my rudder trim. On the X45 stick I have engine start,drop tanks,auto pilot,level auto pilot,and bail out....also on that stick, which has the two 8 way hats, my left hat is used for cockpit,nav & landing lights and tip smoke, The right hat is used for auto gear,tailwheel lock,manual raise gear and manual lower gear. I also use those hats as 4 way hats although as I said they are 8 way hats. I find the 4 way function works better for my purposes. Keep in mind that all the buttons you see on that stick can be used in up to 6 modes although I only use that portion of the stick in one mode. The stiff spring on the X45 makes it an excellent button bay...it moves hardly at all even when I am in a panic trying to bail out before my plane explodes. The throttle quadrant contains rudder & aileron trim,flaps (rudder rocker) zoom functions, the little orange mouse button is for mouse view, the black button serves as my shift & ctrl button & the orange button is quick start record, map and radiator..the last two buttons are mode dependent..there are 6 modes for each button except the pinkie..so as you can see there is more than enough.and that is only one profile. I use the Saitek drivers updated from their site. My profiles for the MS/X45 combo can be had at my website..url in my sig for anybody who wants it. My rudder control is through the CH pedals. If you dont use pedals just assign the rudder to the rocker and put your flaps where you want them. This setup (minus CH pedals /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) can be had for under $150 US by going here... http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html and here... http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_gen.php?form_page_id=0.1&topcat_id=1&topcat_search=1&form_keyword=joysticks&ut=445619281f346f0c&Search.x=15&Search.y=6...btw..did I mention the padlock air & ground, next & previous on the 4 way hat on the throttle as well.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif and the mouse functions as a 4way, 8way or mouse..you decide.. I only touch my keyboard when viewing tracks.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:10 PM
I've owed a reconditioned X-45 for over a year now and I really, really like it. I could not go back to the twisty stick crap (I used to own a MS Sidwinder Pro) it's just not precise enough. Rudder on the throttle works pretty well but I will jump to the CH USB rudder pedels when I have an extra $99 lying around.

I especially love the rotory knobs on the throttle. I have one mapped to my flaps and the other mapped to prop pitch. Very intuitive. I only use the keyboard for starting my engine, controlling engines on the 4 engined planes, and bombsight adjustments.

I tried FF but I found it to be quite lame. Sorry RBJ...each to his own!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:07 PM
<font size=+2 color=red>RBJ, stop spouting crap!</font>

RayBanJockey wrote:
- I think it looks like a peice of 80's junk.

A matter of personal opinion, not really relevant here.

- Is that a joystick, or a flour sifter?

Personal opinion again.

- The buttons are cheap like those in an American Car.

Not a single button has given out on my X45 in over 12 months of use, not even a loosening observed. Since you don't own one, I'm guessing you're once again stating your opinion as fact... anyone notice a trend here?

- It's got no force feedback.

True, but who said the poster was looking for force-feedback.

- I tried moving the throttle back and forth in the
- store and the thing nearly tipped over.

RBJ, I thought you were an ace? Don't aces take the time to research their subject? Are you just daft then? Like most quality sticks it's got a screw on the base-plate to increase/decrease the resistance.

- No, it is not good.

Base on what? Your "informed" opinions?

- The best setup is a Microsoft Force Feedback2 with a
- CH Pro throttle USB.

I wouldn't know, I don't own one. Hence I hold my tongue which is what you should have done!

- just think it's flimsy and ugly (stick looks
- like a flour sifter) And does it even twist?
- If not say hello to rudder pedals and hemorrhoids.

Ignorance AND more personal opinion in one statement? RBJ, you surpass yourself, really. The X45 has a rudder rocker that is definitely steadier than a "twisty" stick.



Back on topic now. The X45 was a great stick when I bought it marred only by bad drivers. That has now been resolved with a very stable driver-set that is both easy to use and powerful. You can map, literally, hundreds of commands to the stick. So much so, that my best advice to new X45 owners is: Don't get carried away - your memory of where you programmed what will give out long before you exhaust your programming options!

Structurally, I'd give the X45 an average rating, it is not the sturdiest stick but it is certainly sturdier than the MS sticks. During one particularly vicious dogfight I broke the recentering mechanism and though the stick was still usable, it now had a lot of slop around the middle. Then again, the maneuvre I attempted to pull would have broken pretty much anything but a Cougar! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif It is also on the big side so some people with smaller hands have difficulty handling it.

It does not have Force-feedback, but I don't care for that feature so it's really your preference. If you must have FF, then you might want to get an MS stick and pair it with the X45's throttle, otherwise the X45 will do just fine.

Finally, there's the one thing that really makes the X45 stand out. PRICE! At $80 brand new it is the best HOTAS value for the buck - no, not even the Cougar compares. Bang-for-buck, I'd rate it higher than trackIR.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:16 PM
You get what you pay for (unless you buy a Cougar..then you get ripped off).

Fine. Use your 80's flour sifter with glee. The rest of us in the know will be using a MS FFB2 and a CH Pro Throttle USB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:27 PM
Go for it its a cracking stick, ignore that Muppet RBJ or what ever he calls himself, if brains were Sh*t he wouldnt have enough to justify wiping his mouth.

I had the X36 for about 4 years without a problem, handed it on when i got XP (its still in use over 6 years on) and bought the X45 have had it 21/2 years and only had one minor problem when the trigger started to play up after a hard 2 years 3 months and saitek posted replacements out to me free of charge out of warranty, so well please with that, some come with optional clip on suckers on the bottom, i would take em off as they actually make it less stable, never have any problems with it slipping around the place, as for the lack of force feedback, well i never wanted that as its really just a bit kiddiefied and unrealistic in its actions, my opinion, but hey its based on real life experience.

Also as pointed out the stick don't twist, well, name a military aircraft built in the last 80 years that does, the x45 has a rudder rocker on the rear of the throttle stick that works just as well as long as you dont have real small hands and that centralises itself as well. I prefer that to a twist stick so its a matter of personal taste.

Bottom line pop into a shop and get a feel for them, that way you will find which suits you and is more comfortable / useable.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:31 PM
I've been using the x45 for about 2 years now, good value, no force feedback though.

I've been using the Dhauzimmer Drivers and have given the new Saitek ones a whirl under XP pro, both work fine in FB, but I have gotten used to the Dhauzimmer / Hazardscript combo so much, I switched back.

I doubt you will find a better HOTAS setup for the price.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:27 AM
The Saitek X45 is an excellent piece of hardware. You cannot get a better stick for it's $80 price.

Ignore RatBoyJockey. MS is pulling the plug on their PC gaming peripherals, while Saitex is ramping up production.

When I upgraded to WinXP, MS had zero support for their original Sidewinder Precision Pro.

Imagine what kind of support you'll get from MS in the future, seeing as how they don't make them anymore!

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 01:22 AM
I like mine just fine. like someone else says, set the throttle tension screw, as heavy or light as you like. Set the rudder for push or pull to left or right rudder, map your buttons and sliders as you wish, use it enough to get used to it, and you'll like it too.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 01:31 AM
I just bought the X45, and Ive been very happy with the stick itself, but I feel like I am not able to take full advantage of it because I seem to be missing a step on the way making my own profile for the stick. Theres something in the manual about creating a profile for a game using the new game wizard, but I cant find that particular piece of software. Its my understanding that the newgame wizard allows your newly created profiles to acctually work with the game, so its imperative that i get this to work. Thanks in advance for any advice!

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 03:19 AM
I've had mine almost a year using Dhauzimmer drivers and HazardScript. Eventaully I would like to get pedals. The X45 has been problem free and I enjoy my il2/FB time. Sticks are a matter of preference.

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07-23-2003, 03:23 AM
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adlabs6
07-23-2003, 03:33 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- There is no "controlling the
- rudder with your thumb" Having a twist stick is much
- better.

I cannot understand why so mamy people fail to grasp this properly.

Ray (and others), you do not move the rudder with your thumb. There is this giant ANALOGUE rocker switch on the rear of the throttle:

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- for a start it centers.

Yes, the X45 rudder rocker centers very securely.

- And it is
- completely natural to twist the stick some in the
- direction you are turning.

I press the rocker in the direction I'm turning.

- Save the sliders for
- something important, like elvator trim.

That's my prop pitch and elevator trim knobs, right there at my fingertips.



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07-23-2003, 03:53 AM
I went through 2 of those logi sticks in FFB and 4 of them that were not FFB in a little over a years time. The rudder goes first, then the rest of the pots eventually. You can dissasemble it and clean them with electrical cleaner but it will fail again. I have had the X-45 since last October and have had no failures. I run a duel boot system it runs fine in Win 2000 and XP had it in 98se and ME for awhile no problems the latest drivers are great, easy to use. My stick never moves around on my desk if I can call it that LOLhttp://home.mchsi.com/~mad_squadron/My_Pit.jpg
Just go buy the thing and start enjoying it. I will advise getting Rudder pedals the rocker is not my choice for rudder control but it will work just fine once you have gotten used to it. The add TrackIr to top the sytem off and your set.


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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:02 AM
I love my X-45, about 90% of the people that own them love them. the biggest complaint I have seen is button placement for different hand sizes.

I would recommend you go to best buy and play around with one.

I hate twisty sticks but that is me. I love the rocker rudder under the throttle on the 45.

The drivers are solid now and the editor works like a champ. Multiply every switch by 3 when you use the detailed profile editor with the mode switch.



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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:28 AM
Phox,

Make sure you have downloaded the latest drivers and software from here for the X-45:

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/down/drivers.htm

After installing the drivers, and calibrating the stick, it will ask you if you want basic or advanced features... choose advanced and the profiling wizard will be installed onto your PC too. You will see a little joystick icon in the taskbar and by right clicking on it you can recalibrate, make/edit a profile or choose a profile to use that either you have made or have gotten from someone.

For making profiles of your own, I would recommend this too, The profiling instructions:

ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/support/SSTManual.zip

DesertPhox wrote:
- I just bought the X45, and Ive been very happy with
- the stick itself, but I feel like I am not able to
- take full advantage of it because I seem to be
- missing a step on the way making my own profile for
- the stick. Theres something in the manual about
- creating a profile for a game using the new game
- wizard, but I cant find that particular piece of
- software. Its my understanding that the newgame
- wizard allows your newly created profiles to
- acctually work with the game, so its imperative that
- i get this to work. Thanks in advance for any
- advice!
-
-
-
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:34 AM
brtnstrns wrote:
- The Saitex X45 is actually great. I own it and use
- it with most of my games. Morons just dont know how
- to adjust the tightness of the throttle so when they
- go into the store and notice that the throttle falls
- over, they're idiots. Its a very good and very fun
- joystick to use. And with certain things, very
- realistic. Everythings at your figertips and is easy
- to get to. I highly recommend the Saitek X45


My post earlier was about the stick and not the throttle ... anyone who owns a x45 knows about the tighting screw on the bottom of the throttle..Morons????? Just watch you mouth in here plz

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:10 AM
DesertPhox, as LordOliver mentioned, you must select "Advanced Features" in the install menu to install the profile editor. It's really a misnomer IMO as it is quite easy to use.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:13 AM
RBJ, put a sock in it will ya? Your antics were funny for a while but now you're just boring.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:33 AM
Well Im glad thats all you have to do, I was feeling pretty dumb untill I realized that the problem might be that the pinky switch on my joystick is broken. Thats probably why nothing was responding in the editor. Thx for the input guys!

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:42 AM
The funny thing is that stick really is crap. Before you buy a stick at least go to the store to see what I mean first hand. How could anyone buy a joystick in the year 2003 withgout force feedback? Might as well take a shower with a raincoat on. I mean, what are these people thinking? Go ahead and listen to these people with their "discount X45" peice of junk. You'll never be an ace. If you think I don't know what I am talking about then I feel sorry for you. I am a perfectionist when it comes to having the right hardware and believe me, I would never settle for playing my favorite game with an 80's flour sifter. Whats more natural, controlling your rudder with a button on your throttle, or controlling the rudder with a simple twist of the same stick you steer with? I think you can tell it's the latter.

Next time start a thread asking if the MSFFB2 is good, and you'll see 10x as many glowing reveiws than in this thread about the X45. You know what an online ace thinks, and what the #1 selling FFB stick in North America is. The MSFFB2 and CH Pro throttle USB is the best and most modern setup for this game. X45 is just simply a cheap stick for the masses. No force feedback and it looks ugly as well. There is not even a lever at the base of the stick (nor buttons) for the handy use of trim on a slider (a must for total control of the plane) in IL2 or FB. It took me about 20 seconds in Best Buy with the X45 to know this stick will never be anywhere near my computer. But don't take my word for it. Go to the store and feel the cheapness yourself.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:51 AM
Only 1 flame per topic is really needed RBJ. You've already made your point.

T_O_A_D
07-23-2003, 06:12 AM
RBJ your stick has been disconinued!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO SHUT THE FECK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get on hyper show your real face and get your Arse waxed! Or proove yourself the great ACE you claim to be.

Oh the 45 will do the trim cheat just fine! If your so inclined to do it.

Speak again when you know what your talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:27 AM
FFB2 is discontinued because it is too good.

Despite being the #1 selling FFB stick in North America, they still couldn't make money.

It seems the only way to make money in the joystick industry is to make a cheap plastic stick without force feedback (ex X45)

The fact that the MS FFB2 will be discontinued is even more reason to buy it. They will be rare collectors items in a few years and will probably sell for $500 on Ebay (still sealed in the box) They will still be supported by Microsoft, all it is is a simple USB game controller in XP.

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07-23-2003, 06:29 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 07:27 AM
S!
I own a X45 for a year now and with the new drivers I think I won't find anything better. Why so?
Because you have so many buttons and modes that you can program ANYTHING and not having to use the keyboard anymore. You can have a mode for fighters, a mode for bombers, a mode for taking-off/landing or whatever else you might think.
On the other hand the stick is not as smooth as I think it would be best, but I can't compare it with something else cause I've not used any other stick.
One question from my side now: Do you have to recallibrate the stick? Isn't the default callibration ok? What's the need to do this cause I've never done it and maybe I'm loosing something!

Take care

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 07:42 AM
Go right ahead and keep twisting your stick... you'll go blind though

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Zayets
07-23-2003, 07:49 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- The funny thing is that stick really is crap.

I see no difference between you and that stick

- How could anyone buy a
- joystick in the year 2003 withgout force feedback?

FbW , or fly by wire you ... feck! All the flying machines nowaday fly by wire. No feedback. And you know what? Pilots enjoy them.Real pilots , not aces like you.

- You'll never be an ace. If you
- think I don't know what I am talking about then I
- feel sorry for you. I am a perfectionist when it
- comes to having the right hardware and believe me, I
- would never settle for playing my favorite game with
- an 80's flour sifter.

RBJ , just because you rammed to IL's with your K4 , that does not make you an ace.

- Whats more natural,
- controlling your rudder with a button on your
- throttle, or controlling the rudder with a simple
- twist of the same stick you steer with?

Maybe some rudder peddals? Doh!

- There
- is not even a lever at the base of the stick (nor
- buttons) for the handy use of trim on a slider (a
- must for total control of the plane) in IL2 or FB.

What lever do you use on your MS stick for that trim on the slider,ace? The throttle? Hihihihi , man you're hopeless. for your info , look on the throttle Saitek , you'll notice 2 sliders just aat your fingertips.

- It took me about 20 seconds in Best Buy with the X45
- to know this stick will never be anywhere near my
- computer

You can't judge a thing only by looking at it. You should touch it , if ya know what I mean.

- But don't take my word for it.
Agree , RBJ go take a hike dude. Find a girlfriend and stop masturbate while you post here. I know you like it , but think of us , will ya?

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Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:12 AM
I switched from MSFFB2 to X-45. It felt weird for a while but now I love it. Great bang for buck. RBJ is just jealous to us with X-45's or TrackIR's.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:56 AM
I've tried everytype of rudder control from keyboard to rudder pedals. For twist sticks, i find that the natural movement of your arm and wrist has a tendancy to twist the rudder when you don't want it. The X45 btw is superb, and only the cougar will beat it...

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:42 AM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- I use both sticks and they both are great. I use the
- MSFFB2 for my flight controls,weps,prop
- pitch,mixture,supercharger and four views (even
- though it is an 8 way hat I find the 12,3,6 & 9
- O'clock positions sufficient) and the twist handle
- on the MSFFB stick is used for my rudder trim. On
- the X45 stick I have engine start,drop tanks,auto
- pilot,level auto pilot,and bail out....also on that
- stick, which has the two 8 way hats, my left hat is
- used for cockpit,nav & landing lights and tip smoke,
- The right hat is used for auto gear,tailwheel
- lock,manual raise gear and manual lower gear. I also
- use those hats as 4 way hats although as I said they
- are 8 way hats. I find the 4 way function works
- better for my purposes. Keep in mind that all the
- buttons you see on that stick can be used in up to 6
- modes although I only use that portion of the stick
- in one mode. The stiff spring on the X45 makes it an
- excellent button bay...it moves hardly at all even
- when I am in a panic trying to bail out before my
- plane explodes. The throttle quadrant contains
- rudder & aileron trim,flaps (rudder rocker) zoom
- functions, the little orange mouse button is for
- mouse view, the black button serves as my shift &
- ctrl button & the orange button is quick start
- record, map and radiator..the last two buttons are
- mode dependent..there are 6 modes for each button
- except the pinkie..so as you can see there is more
- than enough.and that is only one profile. I use the
- Saitek drivers updated from their site. My profiles
- for the MS/X45 combo can be had at my website..url
- in my sig for anybody who wants it. My rudder
- control is through the CH pedals. If you dont use
- pedals just assign the rudder to the rocker and put
- your flaps where you want them.

Hi Bearcat, I've been following your posts on this subject and have been wondering how you managed to juggle the two sticks. I can see now that you don't have to go to the X45 stick too often except to bail out. I think I'd shift that to the throttle!
You must have more buttons than you know what to do with, still you can't have too many I suppose.

I'm happy enough with just the X45 combo plus pedals, I only go to the keyboard for engine start/selection, track recording, magnetos(!) and autopilot/2x 4x 8x speed etc., and I've still not used anything other than Mode1 & Mode1+Shift on the X45. I do have TrackIR though, which frees up all my hats for other uses.
I use the rudder rocker on the throttle for the Radiator and Map.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:43 AM
LMAO @ RBJ!

Anyone else notice that he's pretty much the only one who thinks the X45 is crap? He also happens to not own one. Very reminiscent of his views on TrackIR huh? Envy? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:48 AM
You people are clinically insane, thinking that piece of garbage stick is any good.


Zayets wrote:
-- How could anyone buy a
-- joystick in the year 2003 withgout force feedback?
-
- FbW , or fly by wire you ... feck! All the flying
- machines nowaday fly by wire. No feedback. And you
- know what? Pilots enjoy them.Real pilots , not aces
- like you.

Yes but geuss what? Real pilots can feel their stick shake when they roll over ground, and if they shoot all those guns they feel it, and real pilots of WW2 didn't "fly by wire", they could feel the more or less forve resulting from more or less airspeed. Just stick that in your pipe and smoke it


-- Whats more natural,
-- controlling your rudder with a button on your
-- throttle, or controlling the rudder with a simple
-- twist of the same stick you steer with?
-
- Maybe some rudder peddals? Doh!

LOL read the question! Did I say rudder pedal was an option? You must have flunked alot of multiple choice tests in high school. And by the way, twist stick is better than rudder pedals. The hand is more nimble than the foot.


-- There
-- is not even a lever at the base of the stick (nor
-- buttons) for the handy use of trim on a slider (a
-- must for total control of the plane) in IL2 or FB.
-
- What lever do you use on your MS stick for that trim
- on the slider,ace? The throttle? Hihihihi , man
- you're hopeless. for your info , look on the
- throttle Saitek , you'll notice 2 sliders just aat
- your fingertips.

The thottle wheel on the MS stick is the PERFECT spot for trim on a slider. There is this thing called a CH Pro Throttle...THATS where the throttle goes (but I see you have trouble understanding this)



-- It took me about 20 seconds in Best Buy with the X45
-- to know this stick will never be anywhere near my
-- computer
-
- You can't judge a thing only by looking at it. You
- should touch it , if ya know what I mean.

Again, you are so off base it is sad to read your pathetic argument. I did touch it, of course. They have all the controllers there

Zayets, if you own an X45 I feel sorry for you, but please, wake up and smell the coffe. Your stick, you can't even grab it for crying out loud. You have to insert your hand through the hole.. WTF is up with that? No force feedback so X45 should not even be considered by any serious simmer.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:55 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- And by the way, twist
- stick is better than rudder pedals. The hand is
- more nimble than the foot.
-
-

How come I've never seen a real aircraft with a twist stick? They all seem to have pedals IIRC. Certainly all WW2 vintage planes did.

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Zayets
07-23-2003, 11:05 AM
Dunkelgrun wrote:
- RayBanJockey wrote:
--
-- And by the way, twist
-- stick is better than rudder pedals. The hand is
-- more nimble than the foot.
--
--
-
- How come I've never seen a real aircraft with a
- twist stick? They all seem to have pedals IIRC.
- Certainly all WW2 vintage planes did.


Don't try to argue with RBJ. He's in trance when he posts here , hehehehe. Nothing can make him/her judge in a normal way. Beside that , he does not use either what he praises nor what he likes. I think he/she is just a lame spammer. He does not own neither FFB stick , nor IL2/FB and the computer he uses connecting here is property of his father , or mother , or boyfriend whatever...
RBJ , I don't want to point every aspect of your last post , showing you that you say other stuffs that your previous posts. That proves you're just a sore arse and just a lame troll.
Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 11:06 AM
I just LOVE this soap-opera of an forum =) someone asks whether a certain joy is decent and it takes 10 posts to boil into all out war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)) Cant beat this with a stick, pun intended.


Yes X45 is a good joy, but there are others u might want to check out, TM Topgun series is what i fly with and no complaints yet. Fits my rather big hands very well.
Rudder is on the twisting handle and on the throttle, u can choose which to use. I love the twisting handle because it allows smooth aiming corrections.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 11:09 AM
Zayets wrote:
-
- Dunkelgrun wrote:
-- RayBanJockey wrote:
---
--- And by the way, twist
--- stick is better than rudder pedals. The hand is
--- more nimble than the foot.
---
---
--
-- How come I've never seen a real aircraft with a
-- twist stick? They all seem to have pedals IIRC.
-- Certainly all WW2 vintage planes did.
-
-
- Don't try to argue with RBJ. He's in trance when he
- posts here , hehehehe. Nothing can make him/her
- judge in a normal way. Beside that , he does not use
- either what he praises nor what he likes. I think
- he/she is just a lame spammer. He does not own
- neither FFB stick , nor IL2/FB and the computer he
- uses connecting here is property of his father , or
- mother , or boyfriend whatever...
- RBJ , I don't want to point every aspect of your
- last post , showing you that you say other stuffs
- that your previous posts. That proves you're just a
- sore arse and just a lame troll.
- Zayets out
-
-
-
-


I suppose I am really just trolling myself, for as I've stated before, I don't think that RBJ exists.
I must go and find something better to do. The wife's left me the house to clean, somehow that doesn't appeal. The perils of being out of work eh?
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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 11:56 AM
TurboPorsas wrote:
- I love the
- twisting handle because it allows smooth aiming
- corrections.


EXACTLY.

These people with their rudder pedals can't rest their feet comfortably either.

And rudder control on the throttle slider is a joke.

I'm sorry to have to make everybody aware of this. My only goal is to help people out in this forum, but apparently some people are beyond help. Some people here would be better off playing FS2002, IMHO. This is air combat! Every control being in the right place is crucial, regardlees of "what they did in real life".

You put the stuff where it fits best for ultimate success. (good quote)





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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:21 PM
When I went to the store 6 months ago, I tried the X45 stick, the Thrustmaster stick (not the hotas) and all the MS sticks (SW Joystick, SW Precision 2, SW Force Feedback 2). The superiory came to x45. The only thing that somewhat disappointed me was the Rudder Control as it seemed a little strange to me to be there. But I am pretty sure that if I was able to try it more I would easily by able to master it. I would have bought x45 but it costed 105Euros then, so I decided to take the Cheap MS Sidewinder Precision 2. (it is just like the one most have but without FF.)

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:22 PM
How many posts do you have to have before you can join in on the RBJ beatdown?

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:36 PM
T_O_A_D wrote:
http://home.mchsi.com/~mad_squadron/My_Pit.jpg
What is that blue UFO on your joystick?

Dude, it's time to get a real computer desk (/cockpit)
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It's the best desk and you can put the speakers in true 5.1 positional audio.

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Message Edited on 07/23/0307:39AM by RayBanJockey

Zayets
07-23-2003, 12:39 PM
RayBanJockey wrote beside the usual crapp:

- These people with their rudder pedals can't rest
- their feet comfortably either.

How do you know how comfortable I am with my rudder pedals? Or other ones using them?

- And rudder control on the throttle slider is a joke.
That's true , but is for tht I couple my x45 with a set of pedals.

- I'm sorry to have to make everybody aware of this.
- My only goal is to help people out in this forum,
- but apparently some people are beyond help. Some
- people here would be better off playing FS2002,
- IMHO.

FS2002 is a pretty good game. In fact I consider it equal to X-Plane. Is for that I still have it. I would like eto play it more but I got bored after 30 mins of no action.

- This is air combat!

FINALLY!!! You noticed that too? My gosh! Thought it will never happen. Stop ramming enemy planes in the air RBJ. In case you didn't noticed , every flyable plane have a device or two called guns. They are used to bring down enemy planes by squezing that small device on a joystick , so called trigger. But you will never know because you must buy one and also you must buy the game. And then , only then , you must ask your father , mother , cat , dog , boyfriend etc. to let you install the game on their computer.

Every control being in
- the right place is crucial,

Is for that pilots , all of them , have rudder pedals in their planes.

- regardlees of "what they
- did in real life".

Thank God you're to stupid to be accepted as a designer somewhere , at an aircraft company. If this will ever happen , the air travel will be less secure. I will have to travel by boat , bike , car , train , whatever else.

- You put the stuff where it fits best for ultimate
- success. (good quote)

Very good quote. As all good quotes on this forum , it don't belongs to you.

Zayets out

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said of RayBanJockey during a fight when he was
still a moron.Not like he changed since that day

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:49 PM
Zayets wrote:
- How do you know how comfortable I am with my rudder
- pedals? Or other ones using them?

It's simple ergonomics, friend. Thats why people have cruise control in their cars. So they don't have to constantly keep their feet in 1 place. Instead, they can put their feet wherever they want.

Same thing with rudder pedals. If you use them and are a hardcore online dogfighter like me, then you better bring some Preparation H. Me, I just use the twist stick and last time I checked, the hand is more nimble than the foot. Maybe you should try flying with the joystick at your feet, and the rudder pedals on top of your desk if you think otherwise.

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Zayets
07-23-2003, 01:02 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:

- It's simple ergonomics, friend. Thats why people
- have cruise control in their cars. So they don't
- have to constantly keep their feet in 1 place.
- Instead, they can put their feet wherever they want.

Is one of the most lame comparison I ever heard! Why not let your K4 flown by the autopilot? And where would you stuck your foot in that tiny cockpit?C'mon , come with something reliable!If this was the truth why pilots still use rudder pedals? Oh , because they are not aces! I said it , thank God you're just ... RBJ and nothing important somewhere else , otherwise the life will be much more dangerous. But , you're a funny guy too. In fact all idiots are funny , why would you be an exception?

FYI , cruise control is good only in north America for several reasons:
-long distances thus lack of action , boring time thus lack of concentration
-cheap fuel etc.
I personally preffer to manage myself my car (yes , an european one), even if I drive for one hour or two. The only time I want to have an automatic gear is when I'm caught in a slow moving traffic jam , I would not need to touch 3 pedals instead of two.

Zayets out

PS:and RBJ , drop it. I will not answer you regarding this issue

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 01:02 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- It's simple ergonomics, friend. Thats why people
- have cruise control in their cars. So they don't
- have to constantly keep their feet in 1 place.
- Instead, they can put their feet wherever they want.
-
ROFLMAO. Hahaha. Ray you've never been to the UK have you? We don't have cruise control on 99% of our cars, and for a couple of simple reasons - we have narrow twisty roads, and motorways that are so congested that it is damn nearly impossible to keep to a constant speed.
Plus nearly all of our cars have manual gearboxes, although automatics are slowly increasing in mnumbers.

So, we have three pedals to play with daily. Thus using pedals for the rudder is second nature to me and a lot of others. You must broaden your horizons - go east young man!
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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 01:40 PM
TO come back to the subject of joysticks for a moment, The question that was asked is, to paraphrase, "Is the Saitek X.45 any good?" I think that we have established that quite a few people here use it and love it. A very few people have usd it in the past and moved on to something else, or added pedals, though even those people had good comments about it. There are an even smaller number of people who haven't used it (an integer greater than 0 and less than 2) and think it is abysmal.

On the whole I think you would have to agree that individual preferences aside, the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive.

Summary?

X.45 = Good Stick. Go buy. Play. Be Happy. Shoot me down. I won't mind, honest! It's all fun.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 02:04 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
Whats more natural,
- controlling your rudder with a button on your
- throttle, or controlling the rudder with a simple
- twist of the same stick you steer with? I think you
- can tell it's the latter.

Personally I think it's more natural to control your rudder with your feet than with a twist stick or a rocker arm.

Dunklegrun wrote:
Hi Bearcat, I've been following your posts on this subject and have been wondering how you managed to juggle the two sticks. I can see now that you don't have to go to the X45 stick too often except to bail out. I think I'd shift that to the throttle!
You must have more buttons than you know what to do with, still you can't have too many I suppose.

I'm happy enough with just the X45 combo plus pedals, I only go to the keyboard for engine start/selection, track recording, magnetos(!) and autopilot/2x 4x 8x speed etc., and I've still not used anything other than Mode1 & Mode1+Shift on the X45. I do have TrackIR though, which frees up all my hats for other uses.
I use the rudder rocker on the throttle for the Radiator and Map.



Actually I like it the way it is, Now I dont HAVE to touch my keyboard for anything to fly. For me immersion is key. I do have more options than I will ever need..like I said I dont even use all the modes fully...that to me is one reason why the X45 is such a great stick...for that price you cant beat the flexibility. Like RBJ I also think FFB is essential to better immersion. The feedback you get from the stick as far as flight characteristics is important although I could get used to doing without it I really dont have to or want to. I am getting a spare stick in a few weeks..I may even get two...my first one is still going strong and I gave it to my son to use (it's days may be numbered..he is only 6) and now use the first spare. The MS sticks last a long time and I can get one cheap. The fact that FB is such a great sim and can support 3 input devices at once is fantastic. I feel like I have the best of 3 worlds..I have my FFB which is one reason why I didnt want to get another stick, I have a HOTAS that I paid $49 for as opposed to over $100,,plus extra inputs, and I use the pedals. The nice thing about the pedals is it adds to the reflexive feel of flying IMO... To each his own though. As long as you can fly and enjoy the sim it doesnt matter. I am sure the X45 would work with other sticks as well say if you had a Saitek or Logitech or Thrustmaster FFB stick. I like the feel of the X45 throttle although IMO the stick is a little tight for my hand but since I dont use it as a stick it is moot. Having rudder trim on the twist stick is like having a toned down rudder on the twist which is what I started out with sao it is still pretty much second nature to me.


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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 03:37 PM
As someone mentioned about the rotary controls on X-45, I setup rotary switch no.1 for the so called elevator trim, trust me, it works PERFECTLY. Just don't set it up with the profile editor - instead set it up using ingame control menu under "HOTAS" section.

And I also use rotary no.2 for the prop pitch, but considering changing to rudder trim.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:51 PM
Avi8or wrote:
- As someone mentioned about the rotary controls on
- X-45, I setup rotary switch no.1 for the so called
- elevator trim, trust me, it works PERFECTLY. Just
- don't set it up with the profile editor - instead
- set it up using ingame control menu under "HOTAS"
- section.
-
- And I also use rotary no.2 for the prop pitch, but
- considering changing to rudder trim.
-

Exactly the same setup here. I've got rudder trim on a hat, it seems to work ok although you can need a lot of clicks (20-plus) if you are going to use it to counteract torque on takeoff. Since I got my pedals I stick with the rudder on takeoff, and just use trim in flight.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 05:45 PM
Have you see RBJ's set up? its below..

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Message Edited on 07/23/0304:46PM by Taylortony

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:44 PM
Taylortony wrote:
- Have you see RBJ's set up? its below..
-

OMG LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-23-2003, 10:49 PM
ROFL!!!!

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T_O_A_D
07-23-2003, 11:01 PM
Yep RBJ I need a new desk! For once you are right?

But misses says no and I really don't have the room anyways so Im stuck. But Hey atleaast I have a X-45 and all the other goodies. Oh and after seeing your rig LOL why don't you just sh!t or get off the pot DUDE! and catch up withthe rest of us on hardware.


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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 11:57 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- FFB2 is discontinued because it is too good.
-
- Despite being the #1 selling FFB stick in North
- America, they still couldn't make money.
-
- It seems the only way to make money in the joystick
- industry is to make a cheap plastic stick without
- force feedback (ex X45)
-
- The fact that the MS FFB2 will be discontinued is
- even more reason to buy it. They will be rare
- collectors items in a few years and will probably
- sell for $500 on Ebay (still sealed in the box)
- They will still be supported by Microsoft, all it is
- is a simple USB game controller in XP.
-
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- "The Force is strong with this one." -What an ace
- said of RayBanJockey during a fight when he was
- still a newbie.
- news update (http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.p
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It amazes me that you guys still take this guy seriously enough to argue with him.



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