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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:50 AM
Since there are japanese planes in development (Ki84 + Zero)...it made me wonder...
I know that the Russians were persuaded to enter the war against japan for the last little bit...but was there any combat between these two? I just wanna know if it would be historically correct to run zeros vs yaks...*

*note im not complaining...personally i cant wait for the Zero /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:50 AM
Since there are japanese planes in development (Ki84 + Zero)...it made me wonder...
I know that the Russians were persuaded to enter the war against japan for the last little bit...but was there any combat between these two? I just wanna know if it would be historically correct to run zeros vs yaks...*

*note im not complaining...personally i cant wait for the Zero /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Steaks
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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:07 AM
that'll be interesting zero's vs yak 3's the 'turn war' i can see it now, though for turning id have to say the zero's would prevail. I dont believe they fought in WW2 maybe at the tail end, i know they fought each other b4 WW2.

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:19 AM
I'd place my bets on Yak-3. I guess we will find out soon enough.


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:43 AM
I bet the Zero can get in a little bit more turning power than the Yak 3 but I doubt the Zero has the same level of durability that the Yak 3 was possesed to have (or rather, not durability but a certain robustness that the Zero seemed to lack, even in later versions).

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:49 AM
the zero is a gas soaked rag made out of BALSA WOOD i mean you cant get any worse than that, LOL

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:12 AM
^ so were others the germans say

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:10 AM
Late in the war Stalin launched an invasion into the east part of occupied China, thus attacking Japan.
I dont recall any planes fighting but its a possibility /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:22 AM
Actualy!
We have created a Historic Air Combat Arena for the Zero in FB here,
http://www.geocities.com/blackwulf1_2000/kg55.html

Will you be brave enough to fly in this combat arena when our down loads page appears ( when Zero is released into FB)

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:57 AM
Steaks_361st wrote:
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- I know that the Russians were persuaded to enter the
- war against japan for the last little bit...but was
- there any combat between these two? I just wanna
- know if it would be historically correct to run
- zeros vs yaks...

Was there any combat? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The Soviets launched an offensive in Manchuria that was the epitome of their doctrinal knowledge gained during World War II. They modeled their tactics and force structure against NATO on the experiences gained in that offensive.

The attack in Manchuria took place over a front more than 4,400 kilometres long. The Soviets advanced with armoured pincers on 3 axes over terrain considered impassable by the Japanese. Their forces counted over 31 infantry divisions, 12 tank brigades and 3,000+ airplanes.

Facing them was the Japanese Kwantung army of nearly 1,000,000 men, 1,500 tanks and 1,800 aircraft. They were outmanouvred, outfought, encircled and destroyed in a lightning campaign second to none.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:28 AM
Slush69 wrote:
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- The Soviets launched an offensive in Manchuria that
- was the epitome of their doctrinal knowledge gained
- during World War II. They modeled their tactics and
- force structure against NATO on the experiences
- gained in that offensive.
-
- The attack in Manchuria took place over a front more
- than 4,400 kilometres long. The Soviets advanced
- with armoured pincers on 3 axes over terrain
- considered impassable by the Japanese. Their forces
- counted over 31 infantry divisions, 12 tank brigades
- and 3,000+ airplanes.
-
- Facing them was the Japanese Kwantung army of nearly
- 1,000,000 men, 1,500 tanks and 1,800 aircraft. They
- were outmanouvred, outfought, encircled and
- destroyed in a lightning campaign second to none.
-
Revenge indeed for the humiliating defeats of 1904-05!
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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:32 AM
ELEM wrote:

- Revenge indeed for the humiliating defeats of
- 1904-05!
- http://www.russojapanesewar.com/

Thanks! I don't know much about that war and actually thought it was a naval war only. I had no idea that there were land ops as well.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:59 AM
It is not know with certainty if aircombat took place between VVS and the Japanese airforce, as most of the missions flown by the JAAF where ground attacks. However, one Ki-43 missing in action was probably shot down by Russian fighters.

When the Soviet forces invaded Mandchuria, little air action happened. Only the 104th Sentai and 25th Dokuritsu Hiko Chutai (operating under the command of the 104th Sentai) made ground attacks against armored columns just before the cessation of hostilities, on the 13 august 1945.
The VVS had transfered P-63 Kingcobras to this theater in anticipation of combat against the japaneses, but they where to late to take part in the battle. I don't know the type of Soviet airplanes engaged in the fighting.

The 25th Dokuritsu Hiko Chutai was equipped with Ki-45 Kai and operated from Liaoyang, while the 104th Sentai was equipped with both Ki-43 and Ki-84 operating from Anshan and Tanggangzi.

No combat happened between the VVS and the Japanese Imperial Navy; Only the Imperial army was involved in the fighting.
So, the only japaneses planes that might have seen fighting against the Soviet Forces are Ki-45 Kai, Ki-43 and Ki-84.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 10:21 AM
Thrawn888 wrote:
- the zero is a gas soaked rag made out of BALSA WOOD
- i mean you cant get any worse than that, LOL
-
-

true, but in the hands of a skilled pilot, its a deadly machine.

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