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PBNA-Boosher
09-20-2004, 05:27 AM
Some of you may want to read this, I hope it works as well as I think it will:

BOMBSIGHT ADVICE FOR THE He-111H-2 / H-6

Anyway, what I really came here to say is that though the He-111 has a very nicely detailed bombsight, if you don't use it properly, it will fail you. Here's what to do. If you're not careful enough, you'll lose the crosshairs. I'll give a situation:

You're calibrating the bombsight for a bomb run at 2500 meters ABOVE GROUND LEVEL (very important- thanks Tully!). Your true altitude above sea level is 3200 meters. Your true airspeed, not the indicated airspeed, is 320 kilometers per hour. Your target is 20 kilometers ahead of you. First of all, you will need to set and program buttons to control the gunsight, here's what I have for the buttons:

Increase bombsight velocity: alt page up
decrease bombsight velocity: alt page down

Increase bombsight altitude: ctrl page up
Decrease bombsight altitude: ctrl page down

Increase bombsight pitch angle: shift page up
Decrease bombsight pitch angel: shift page down

Turn on automated bombsight: Numlock

Okay, so now that we've programmed the keys, we must set up the bombsight to pound the **** out of our Russian friends. (No Russians were harmed during the making of this tutorial)

If the pilot holds the plane steadily on course, here is all you have to do:

1. Set the bombsight to desired altitude, in this case: 2500 meters (because you are 2500 meters off the ground.)

2. Set the bombsight to desired velocity, in this case: 320 kph

3.Pitch the bombsight up until the view on the bombsight is centered on your target.

4. Make sure you stay on course. Keep the bombsight centered on the target and keep on course. If you don't keep on course, you will lose the targeting sights in the bombsight, and your bomb drop will be way off.

5. When the target is clearly centered in your bombsight and the crosshairs reach the desired point on the target you wish to pummel with your bombs, turn on the bombsight automation.

6. With the bombsight automation turned on, all you have to make sure you do is STAY ON COURSE. When the targeting system in the bombsight is ready, IT will drop the bombs automatically.

7. Now that you've dropped all of your payload in a giant salvo to expunge your enemies, turn tail and speed at a lower altitude (I like 300-700 meters) back home. If there is a large group of you, fly in formation on the deck back home. This way, as long as there is not much AAA in the area, the only thing you have to worry about is fighters, and when that close to the deck, none of them are going to be able to sneak under you and kill your poor exposed ventral gunner.

-It's best to have a partner or escort when on a bombing mission, otherwise it's hell.

Hope that's helpful. Just a few words of advice:

-STAY ON COURSE!!!

- The altitude of the bombsight will not go below 850 meters, any bombing below that altitude will have to be played by ear. I do it quite often. Here's how. Aim is something you just have to practice, however.

WARNING: NEVER EVER DO LOW LEVEL BOMBING LIKE DESCRIBED BELOW WITHOUT SETTING A TIME DELAY OF AT VERY LEAST 1.5 SECONDS ON YOUR BOMBS. IF YOU FAIL TO REMEMBER THIS, YOU WILL BE BLOWN TO PIECES BY THE SHOCKWAVE OF YOUR OWN BOMBS.


1. Start high, say 3000 meters, and dive down 250-300 meters above the deck.

2. try to gain as much speed as possible with as little engine use as possible, because after you drop your payload, you'll need to high tail it out of there very quickly.

3. After eying the target and judging the best time to drop the payload, fly straight toward the target, as fast as you can, with as little engine use as you can, to the target, drop your bombs, and then overhaul the engines and stay on the deck and GET OUT OF THERE!


Once again, I hope this helps, if you need any other words of advice, please, don't hesitate to ask.

Boosher
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[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Mon September 20 2004 at 06:36 AM.]

[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Mon September 20 2004 at 06:39 AM.]

PBNA-Boosher
09-20-2004, 05:27 AM
Some of you may want to read this, I hope it works as well as I think it will:

BOMBSIGHT ADVICE FOR THE He-111H-2 / H-6

Anyway, what I really came here to say is that though the He-111 has a very nicely detailed bombsight, if you don't use it properly, it will fail you. Here's what to do. If you're not careful enough, you'll lose the crosshairs. I'll give a situation:

You're calibrating the bombsight for a bomb run at 2500 meters ABOVE GROUND LEVEL (very important- thanks Tully!). Your true altitude above sea level is 3200 meters. Your true airspeed, not the indicated airspeed, is 320 kilometers per hour. Your target is 20 kilometers ahead of you. First of all, you will need to set and program buttons to control the gunsight, here's what I have for the buttons:

Increase bombsight velocity: alt page up
decrease bombsight velocity: alt page down

Increase bombsight altitude: ctrl page up
Decrease bombsight altitude: ctrl page down

Increase bombsight pitch angle: shift page up
Decrease bombsight pitch angel: shift page down

Turn on automated bombsight: Numlock

Okay, so now that we've programmed the keys, we must set up the bombsight to pound the **** out of our Russian friends. (No Russians were harmed during the making of this tutorial)

If the pilot holds the plane steadily on course, here is all you have to do:

1. Set the bombsight to desired altitude, in this case: 2500 meters (because you are 2500 meters off the ground.)

2. Set the bombsight to desired velocity, in this case: 320 kph

3.Pitch the bombsight up until the view on the bombsight is centered on your target.

4. Make sure you stay on course. Keep the bombsight centered on the target and keep on course. If you don't keep on course, you will lose the targeting sights in the bombsight, and your bomb drop will be way off.

5. When the target is clearly centered in your bombsight and the crosshairs reach the desired point on the target you wish to pummel with your bombs, turn on the bombsight automation.

6. With the bombsight automation turned on, all you have to make sure you do is STAY ON COURSE. When the targeting system in the bombsight is ready, IT will drop the bombs automatically.

7. Now that you've dropped all of your payload in a giant salvo to expunge your enemies, turn tail and speed at a lower altitude (I like 300-700 meters) back home. If there is a large group of you, fly in formation on the deck back home. This way, as long as there is not much AAA in the area, the only thing you have to worry about is fighters, and when that close to the deck, none of them are going to be able to sneak under you and kill your poor exposed ventral gunner.

-It's best to have a partner or escort when on a bombing mission, otherwise it's hell.

Hope that's helpful. Just a few words of advice:

-STAY ON COURSE!!!

- The altitude of the bombsight will not go below 850 meters, any bombing below that altitude will have to be played by ear. I do it quite often. Here's how. Aim is something you just have to practice, however.

WARNING: NEVER EVER DO LOW LEVEL BOMBING LIKE DESCRIBED BELOW WITHOUT SETTING A TIME DELAY OF AT VERY LEAST 1.5 SECONDS ON YOUR BOMBS. IF YOU FAIL TO REMEMBER THIS, YOU WILL BE BLOWN TO PIECES BY THE SHOCKWAVE OF YOUR OWN BOMBS.


1. Start high, say 3000 meters, and dive down 250-300 meters above the deck.

2. try to gain as much speed as possible with as little engine use as possible, because after you drop your payload, you'll need to high tail it out of there very quickly.

3. After eying the target and judging the best time to drop the payload, fly straight toward the target, as fast as you can, with as little engine use as you can, to the target, drop your bombs, and then overhaul the engines and stay on the deck and GET OUT OF THERE!


Once again, I hope this helps, if you need any other words of advice, please, don't hesitate to ask.

Boosher
_____________________________
"So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you..."
-Gandalf

[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Mon September 20 2004 at 06:36 AM.]

[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Mon September 20 2004 at 06:39 AM.]

Snyde-Dastardly
09-20-2004, 05:32 AM
Finally a frickin manual. Im printing it now, thanks Boosher
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Copperhead310th
09-20-2004, 05:35 AM
got one for the K-14?

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PBNA-Boosher
09-20-2004, 05:36 AM
Will in a few hours. Don't worry Copperhead, It's being written up now.

Boosher
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Franzen
09-20-2004, 06:20 AM
Poosher, my new best friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif, do you feel like making a "FMB for Dummies"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Bearcat99
09-20-2004, 06:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
got one for the K-14?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Copper the K-14 is a lot less complicated. You only have to set the plane size once unless there is a big difference in the plane sizes you are attacking from one fight to the next. I set the distance to a certain point and leave it there.. I fire when I get to that point.

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Tully__
09-20-2004, 06:37 AM
Is that altitude above target or altitude above sea level?

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PBNA-Boosher
09-20-2004, 07:19 AM
Oops, sorry about that Tully. It is Altitude above the target. Generally it doesn't cause much of a problem though. however, if you're bombing something really high, say on the mountains map, it may be good to set it for ground level rather then sea level.

Boosher
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PBNA-Boosher
09-20-2004, 07:35 AM
Manual for the IL2 FB K-14 gunsight:

The K-14 is simple enough. The concept of the Gyro gunsight is that the sight will calculate lead for you, all you have to do is put your crosshairs on the target. Here‚'s what you will need.

Remember setting your keys to control the bombsight? Those same keys are the keys you will use to control your K-14 gunsight. They go as follows:

Bombsight automation key = fixed sight/gyro & fixed sight/ gyro sight modes
Increase/Decrease bombsight speed = Bf-109/Fw-190/He-111/Ju-88 etc‚... modes
Increase/Decrease bombsight alt. = Increase sight distance/decrease sight distance

Your P-51D-20NA and YP-80 are both equipped with this special K-14 Gyro sight. Since the P-51D-20NA was the plane used during the war for combat, this will be the plane for our example.

You‚'re bending down to switch the fuel tanks when you hear the cry, ‚"Fighters! 10‚' O clock High! You don‚'t have much time! You quickly look up. To your dismay, you see that they are Fw-190‚'s and they are already opening fire! What do you do?

1. First thing‚'s first. GET OUT OF THE WAY! If you get hit by their bullets and cannon, there is no need for this tutorial!
2. Okay, you‚'ve gotten away and bought yourself some time. Using the planetype selector with your bombsight speed keys, select the Fw-190 option.
3. Once you maneuver onto that Fw-190‚'s six, place your hands on the keys for increasing and decreasing sight distance. These are your bombsight altitude keys. What you should do with these is make sure that the ‚"pipper‚"Ě (the moving crosshairs) is only as large and your enemy‚'s wingspan.
4. As you maneuver with the Fw-190, try to position the ‚"pipper‚"Ě right on him, keeping the wingspan within the limits of your sight.
5. Your ‚"pipper‚"Ě will move wildly around the sight as you maneuver, but don‚'t let it bother you. Once you see that pipper center on the target, open fire. He will not be there for more than a second in most cases, so keep maneuvering!
6. IMPORTANT: The ‚"pipper‚"Ě is not a lock-on device. Meaning it will not lock onto the enemy plane like a guided missile. It is still up to you to control the plane and keep the enemy in your sights. This will unnerve you at first, but you will gradually get used to it.

Eventually, once you‚'ve been playing with the sight a bit, you will barely need it anymore. The sight will teach you how to calculate lead, and after using it for a few days, you‚'ll be able to clearly see what lead you need to pull even before the Gyro sight is activated. I hope this helps, feel free to ask any questions here.

Boosher
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TD_Klondike
09-20-2004, 09:19 PM
Thanks to you, I've experimented with the K-14 for the very first time since we've received it. One thing bothers me, though: How do you know what the pipper's range is set to? I can't find a gauge or anything. I can see that it obviously gets smaller or larger, so am I just supposed to eyeball the right size? I'd like to set it to the same range as my gun convergence, but I don't see any good way of figuring that out.

Lt.Davis
09-20-2004, 09:28 PM
If your want to be 'stay on course' press level stablelizer' i use it even when i flying level. And if your alt is 2500m, than set it to 2600m actual speed is 310km/h than set it to 330km/h than you'll never miss your target.

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ruf9ii
09-20-2004, 09:33 PM
dont know bout convg distance, but when the enemy planes wingtips touch eitherside of the circle, assuming it is in the centre, then that is the correct distance. if u want to get convg distance, learn how big the target is in the sight, then just adjust the pipper to that size and only fire when the target plane is in the sight and is the same size as the pipper...
u dig it?

Chuck_Older
09-21-2004, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TD_Klondike:
Thanks to you, I've experimented with the K-14 for the very first time since we've received it. One thing bothers me, though: How do you know what the pipper's range is set to? I can't find a gauge or anything. I can see that it obviously gets smaller or larger, so am I just supposed to eyeball the right size? I'd like to set it to the same range as my gun convergence, but I don't see any good way of figuring that out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you do a search under my name with the keywords "K-14 gunsight", you'll find many explanations of this issue you have.


But basically- you are setting your convergance exactly the same way as in any aircraft with a fixed reflector sight.

You know how big the airplane should be already at your convergance. Simply reset the pipper so that your pipper tocuhes the outside edges of the wings when the enemy aircraft is the correct size to be at your convergance. Don't bring the mountain to Moses. Bring Moses to the mountain.

No offense to Boosher, but I've explained this dozens of times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

How did you set your convergance with a tradiational gunsight? Do the same thing with the K-14, except that the pipper is not expanded or contracted by you to frame the target's wings when the aircraft is at the right distance- you'll know that by the aircraft's size.

As a side note, remember that the K-14 is just a sight- it doesn't change your gun convergance. Some folks don't grasp that point right away.

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Chuck_Older
09-21-2004, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruf9ii:
dont know bout convg distance, but when the enemy planes wingtips touch eitherside of the circle, assuming it is in the centre, then that is the correct distance. if u want to get convg distance, learn how big the target is in the sight, then just adjust the pipper to that size and only fire when the target plane is in the sight and is the same size as the pipper...
u dig it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's true, but the correct distance for what? The pipper isn't sized automatically for your convergance to my knowledge

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