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SeaFireLIV
03-18-2004, 06:00 PM
IS WONDERFUL! She does absolutely NOTHING wrong! Dammit! I hate being so excited! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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SeaFireLIV
03-18-2004, 06:00 PM
IS WONDERFUL! She does absolutely NOTHING wrong! Dammit! I hate being so excited! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Arm_slinger
03-18-2004, 06:04 PM
LOL another classic sig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If flown right shes a gem, but stall her shes a nasty ***** in FB compared to the real deal in where its nose just drops or so i thought. After all wasnt it the plane any person could fly and have no problems with

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Oso2323
03-18-2004, 06:08 PM
The stall is trickier than I thought it would be(particularly in tight turns), but everything else is just great! It's definitely my main kite. And the Hispanos are better than I thought they'd be (perhaps that has something to do with not being blinded by gun flashes).

Arm_slinger
03-18-2004, 06:14 PM
If you fly her as she looks- Graceful she is a gorgeous bird to fly. My squadron have left our Hurri's now which served us well for the Spits which we are now training on. I have to admit though i prefer the heigh alt version

Which reminds me, whats the max height the LF's can go before they start to suffer?

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bird_brain
03-18-2004, 06:24 PM
I like it too, but it doesn't have much ammo so it pays to shoot carefully. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
It also doesn't dive very fast so it ain't a great b&z machine but if you can suck them into a turn fight, it will win every time! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Arm_slinger
03-18-2004, 06:31 PM
The penitration of the Hispano's is pretty damn good, i've been able to cleave off 109 wings wih just three rounds :Ohttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Bansai Potato
03-18-2004, 06:37 PM
An absolutely superb FM with finely balanced and light control inputs just like the real thing.

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Oso2323
03-18-2004, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Which reminds me, whats the max height the LF's can go before they start to suffer?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In RL? About 10,000 ft I think.

VW-IceFire
03-18-2004, 08:06 PM
Love the Spitfire V, flys like a dream. Ammo load is short but precise aim corrects that.

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biggs222
03-18-2004, 09:00 PM
yeah the mkV is great!!, but bring on his younger brother, the mkIX!!! i cant wait for it!

_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-18-2004, 09:10 PM
The MK.IX that would be nice but I think I would prefer the Spitfire Mk.XIVc. with a top speed of 439mph at 24,500ft., now THIS plane had the ability to catch V-1s.

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Oso2323
03-18-2004, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Love the Spitfire V, flys like a dream. Ammo load is short but precise aim corrects that.
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For some of us, unlimited ammo corrects that! I'm still working up to precise aim. ;-)

biggs222
03-18-2004, 11:21 PM
yeah i ve messed around with the spits convergance more then any other plane so far, i found that 200m for the cannons and 180 for the mgs works pretty well, but now i have it at 300m for cannons and 200m for mgs, it depends on what planes ur up against.

oh and i like how the mgs actually can cause some damage now.

lucas_valentine
03-19-2004, 02:09 AM
The spit is my new plane of choice... I love it. I think the High alt is the best one though as it cannot be stalled at all! Bring on the MkIX though as the spits big downfall is its lack of speed compared to Ki84,109, fw190, La7, etc.

WOLFMondo
03-19-2004, 02:16 AM
She's good fun to fly, more so than most but I've been hooked on the P38. I thought I'd be addicted to the spit but sadly not, maybe the IX will change that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucas_valentine:
Bring on the MkIX though as the spits big downfall is its lack of speed compared to Ki84,109, fw190, La7, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thinks thats why people are secretly hoping the XIV or F.22 will appear. I know I am.

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zugfuhrer
03-19-2004, 02:22 AM
How is the damage model?
I have read that the oilcooler and radiators where exposed, their achilleusheel I think.

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 02:26 AM
One hit in the engine compartment and the Spitfire is toast, so it seems ok in that department.

I like to fly the Spitfire Vb too but I am really looking forward to the MKIX since I long for some speed and with the IX the guns are not spread out over the entire wing when you select the one with the 2x12.7mm instead of the 4x7.7mm.

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lucas_valentine
03-19-2004, 02:37 AM
The Spitfire does fly like an absolute dream...but sometimes it can be easily over-powered in combat situations. If your opponent is a Ki84c...forget about coming out alive. I have shot down some Ki84c's but its very dificult as they are so fast and ridiculously well armed. The Spit can lead you into a false sense of security. It feels so good to fly but unless you're in the right place at the right time..you're history. It isn't so good on climbs, but I'll tell you this...I followed a Ki84 directly upwards at 90 degress. Once he got to the top of his loop I blasted the crap out of him...what's more I was only going 80 kmh and I was still in control!! Eventually the plane began to stall, but once it started to fall back to earth it was easy to regain control. How many planes can go straight up at such a low speed and still be controlable?
The Spitfire is such a good plane to fly and to look at and the guns are so very effective...it just needs lots of practice to get the kills. Personally I find the best manuovers it can do is the loop and split 'S'. The problems start when some bugger gets on your six...getting them off with very little top speed can be a nightmare. The Spit is now pretty much the only plane I fly. Before AEP I had never settled on a plane which I flew all the time...now I find that all I wanted was Spitfire!

pacettid
03-19-2004, 02:42 AM
That's why on our server we only allow plane sets that are historically accurate...Spits against Ki84c's...why?

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RedDeth
03-19-2004, 02:47 AM
spit 9 isnt really much faster than the spit 5 ...what about 25 mph faster? thats not enough against ki84s k4s doras etc. you need the spit14 to compete against the best planes. the nine wont do it

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clint-ruin
03-19-2004, 02:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
IS WONDERFUL! She does absolutely NOTHING wrong! Dammit! I hate being so excited! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad you like it, thought you'd be impressed :&gt;

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zugfuhrer
03-19-2004, 02:55 AM
I am very glad that you got your favorite modelled the way you want it.
I am still waiting for mine :-)
So you wont post a thread that the Spit is to good then?

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 03:17 AM
The Spitfire Vb is a max speed of 600km/h and the IX has a top speed of 650km/h.

That's good enough for me for now.

I a used to fighting in a Hurricane so for me the Spitfire's are a big step up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
So you wont post a thread that the Spit is to good then?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why?

You guys are doing that already in multiple threads, so I see no reason to add more to the list.

SeaFireLIV
03-19-2004, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
I am very glad that you got your favorite modelled the way you want it.
I am still waiting for mine :-)
So you wont post a thread that the Spit is to good then?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It`s ok. Zugfuhrer is wary of me a little cos I`ve been keeping my eye on him. I see no reason to complain about the Spit: like others have said:
1. It has a slow speed.

2. Very little cannons. Accuracy is truly the key.

3. In many fights against German planes, specifically the G2 it`s a VERY balanced battle.

There`s nothing WRONG with this plane (on a basic level). It`s not UBER, it`s not crap. It`s just how it should be. I was actually AFRAID it would be TOO GOOD. I can`t believe Oleg`s got it so even.

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blabla0001
03-19-2004, 04:47 AM
There was also some Luftwhiner complaining about the Spitfire Vb being faster then a FW190 A4 at all altitudes.

I then did some tests and found the FW190 A4 being faster on the deck then the fastest Spit Vb (L.F. none clipped) and at 7000 meter the A4 was also faster then the fastest Spit Vb (Merlin 45 none clipped one) at 7000 meter.

When I posted the results he attacked my English reading skills because he wasn't talking about speed.

"Interesting - this would also mean the Fw 190A-4 is also wrong, as it was faster than the Spit Vb at all altitudes"

So, for you native English speakers, what do you get out of this quote?

Also, my speed tests where done with auto pitch, and I heard that the German planes even perform better with manual pitch.

Speed difference on the deck was 36km/h and at 7000 meter it was 38km/h btw.

ElAurens
03-19-2004, 05:11 AM
Yes the spit is a good flyer. Just don't try to out turn a Gladiator in it.....

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SeaFireLIV
03-19-2004, 05:12 AM
Hmmm.... Faster.... Speed... Faster.. speed...

Sounds like he`s talking about speed to me!
Anyway, their will be Lufty complaints, because there`s like an unconscous fear of the Spit. They complained about the Spit in reality too I recall! It`s just the online battle continuing, but any good LW flyer knows that the Spit is no super machine.


It`s simply how you fly with or against it.

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 05:23 AM
Yeps, I think the ones who believe their plane is going to win the battle for them without any real effort on their end, and when this is not the case and are getting spanked they complain about it.

AWL_Spinner
03-19-2004, 06:18 AM
Enjoy the Spitfire MkVb, everyone seems to want to leave it behind as soon as the IX or XIV appears! Most pilot accounts I've seen seem to suggest the Vb (especially CW) was the nicest handling of the series.

You'll be able to zoom around a bit quicker in the later marks but they might not turnfight quite so well.

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EPP-Gibbs
03-19-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
spit 9 isnt really much faster than the spit 5 ...what about 25 mph faster? thats not enough against ki84s k4s doras etc. you need the spit14 to compete against the best planes. the nine wont do it

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The Spit F IX was about 35mph faster than the std Vb. The normal fighter variants of each went about 373mph for Vb and about 408mph for IX. The IX climbed a lot better too.

You've got to remember when saying.."it ain't fast", that the Vb is basically a 1941 plane! It was as fast as the 109F which was its contemporary and no one moans about lack of speed in the 109F now, do they. But, pit it against a Frank of LA7, or K4, of course it's slow, but then they came into service 4 years later!

The MkIX held it's own from 1942 throughout the war. If you want a Spit contemporary with the '44 planes in FB, then you're looking at the XIV, and that plane is second to no-one. 448mph at about 25,000ft, 44,000ft ceiling, 5000ft/min climb off the deck. 2 Hispano 20's and 2 .50's, and sometimes 4 Hispano's to make a mess of your opponent.

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Zayets
03-19-2004, 06:47 AM
Very true!
Ii fear that Oleg might include one day XIV. Every Ki&Zero jockeys will cry that is overmodelled.What they're not know is that Spitfire MkXIV was the best propeller driven aircraft humans made.

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tazzers01
03-19-2004, 06:59 AM
When I first heard about AEP there was no mention of the Spit and my imediate reaction was 'well you can shove it, its the only plane I wanted and its still not included' except that it is, okay I can't wait for the Mk9 and the Mk14 but for now the Mk5 is good enough for me. I'm glad to see the balanced opinions in this thread, nobody thinks the Spit is an uber machine and it isn't its just a well balanced package that flys beautifully. I havn't had a chance to fly her much but from what I have flown now its the most accurate FM so far as the descriptions of the real pilots are concerned that I have ever flown in a sim. No I didn't expect or even want a world beater I was expecting and wanted exactly what we got. A real pilots aeroplane, lovely handling (except while taxiing I find that a nightmare but I will get better, good firepower if a little short on ammo (well we wanted accuracy) and Gods she looks the biz! Overall I am very VERY happy now and the IL2AEP/Spitfire combination is hence forth my 'sim of choice'. It can only get better from here.

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Very true!
Ii fear that Oleg might include one day XIV. Every Ki&Zero jockeys will cry that is overmodelled.What they're not know is that Spitfire MkXIV was the best propeller driven aircraft humans made.

Zayets out<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Imagine what happens when Biggs is done with his MK22.

That beast has 4x20mm Hispano loving ready to be unleashed to the world. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kind of like a Hurricane IIc on steroids and then some....

SeaFireLIV
03-19-2004, 07:17 AM
Personally, I`m a bit of an `crappy` planes flyer myself. I`m not THAT bothered about getting a faster, better Spitfire. I`m quite happy with this, then again i`m not saying I don`t want the later models too.

And, true, the only difficult thing about the Spit I find is taxiing with her! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 07:29 AM
The clipped wing Spits taxi a lot better though.

The turning on the ground is easy, the fact that it bounces and wobbles at the same time makes it very hard to taxi around.

But I think I stick with the Spitfire IX the most when it arrives.

The Spit Vb is nice but I don't like the 7.7mm MG's spread over nearly the entire wing.

LEXX_Luthor
03-19-2004, 07:34 AM
Spit Mk I or ns = no spit

Its sad there is no Spit 1 coming soon (or correct me), given the Spit 1 was historically made before the others (or correct me).

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Bearcat99
03-19-2004, 07:41 AM
Hey Seafire... I told you you'd love it... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Ity is sweet.... and the CW Spits are almost impossible to stall.

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Black Sheep
03-19-2004, 07:47 AM
I'd imagine Oleg is saving the Mk 1's for BoB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Mk V is lovely, as others have said she's everything she should be and utterly gorgeous too.

SeaFireLIV
03-19-2004, 08:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Hey Seafire... I told you you'd love it... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Ity is sweet.... and the CW Spits are almost impossible to stall.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, those of you who said the Spit was great, Clint-Ruin, Bearcat, others are certainly not wrong! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
And I find it VERY hard to stall. But she does stall and will let you know just beforehand.

AWL_Spinner
03-19-2004, 08:31 AM
It's funny the words people use to describle a Spitfire. It's always a she and it's always soft affectionate adjectives like "lovely", "graceful" and "beautiful".

Of course, she's a lady. And not just because you can get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back (apologies, Lord Flashheart).

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SeaFireLIV
03-19-2004, 08:36 AM
LOL. Good one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LilHorse
03-19-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Anyway, their will be Lufty complaints, because there`s like an unconscous fear of the Spit. They complained about the Spit in reality too I recall! It`s just the online battle continuing, but any good LW flyer knows that the Spit is no super machine.


It`s simply how you fly with or against it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ainta skeert of 'er. 'Specially when I got a wingy, hehe. But you guys are right it's a mighty nice plane. Maybe I'll give it a try online sometime. My only "fear" about it is that it'll tempt me to turn fight too much in it. Not good for someone who's perpetually trying to imprve his BnZ (and not succeeding http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ). Anyway, you guys have fun in it. And I'll do my best to shoot you down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

blabla0001
03-19-2004, 09:36 AM
I fly the Spit a lot and I B&Z with it as much as I can.

TooCooL34
03-19-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I fly the Spit a lot and I B&Z with it as much as I can.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, virtue of Spit is you can do anything at anywhere with it.

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tazzers01
03-20-2004, 12:10 PM
I quite like the fact that she doesn't dive all that fast, she is much more controllable. All I need do is learn to shoot straight and I might just make it into and out of a few 'full on' dogfights. Blimey I might even shoot something down.