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RinoTheBouncer
08-23-2014, 12:11 PM
Hey everyone,
Let’s discuss the graphics of Assassin’s Creed games and how the evolved throughout the years. Which one had the best graphics so far and what part of the games is usually badly made in your opinion and what do you wish to see improved whether in the future or in ACUnity.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10628056_691601004254571_1911326457034950665_n.jpg ?oh=18dcedf0035b4ac1d95bd4c539bbe474&oe=546A64E3&__gda__=1417766482_336a9988768bddf94a2f62fe06c2278 c

NOTE: this picture is meant to be funny rather than insulting to the games.

To me, AC:Unity looks pretty promising, however, from the latest trailer, the faces, the plants and the anti-aliasing felt a bit low quality. I love AC:Revelations’ graphics so much as well and I love ACII. Even ACI, ACII and AC:B were really great for their time and don’t look bad now, either.

I believe they always don’t get the faces and clothes right. It’s like they all look good when they’re not moving, but once they do, you notice the glitches with lightning making the beard glow in dark areas or the weapons and clothes go through one another and the plants/trees have always looked low quality. They always looked like plates that have the leaves texture with transparent background on them.

I feel that the games do need to improve those parts. The buildings usually look good, the shadows and the lights on static objects is usually fine and cutscenes usually do things right but changing outfits gets problematic as they don’t seem to be made to fit the character, like Connor’s prison outfit where the hair disappears in parts where you’re supposedly wearing your hood.

I think in the future, they need to make customizations a part of the game, so you don’t see a major cutscene wearing the default outfit while the minor ones show you wearing the custom one, like in The Last of Us, for example and of course improve on the facial structures, the hair, the plants. The water is usually very beautiful but the wave effect when swimming or sailing looks a bit off. I was hoping the next gen. will iron out most of those kinks but many seems to be persistent. So I’m crossing my fingers for the final cut of AC:U and the games to come.

The real question is: are we ever going to reach this level of details and realism on current gen. consoles as promoted here in this beautiful tech demo?


http://youtu.be/UVX0OUO9ptU

Feel free to share your opinions and complaints.

Fatal-Feit
08-23-2014, 12:17 PM
I think in the future, they need to make customizations a part of the game, so you don’t see a major cutscene wearing the default outfit while the minor ones show you wearing the custom one, like in The Last of Us, for example and of course improve on the facial structures, the hair, the plants. The water is usually very beautiful but the wave effect when swimming or sailing looks a bit off. I was hoping the next gen. will iron out most of those kinks but many seems to be persistent. So I’m crossing my fingers for the final cut of AC:U and the games to come.

Unity will in fact have customization.

I agree with most of your criticisms. My main complaint for the series are the draw distances. AC:3, aside from vegetation, still looks revolutionary for me. Especially its naval. The only thing I didn't like was the draw distance that plagued every game.

In AC:1 and AC:2, the pop-ins and draw distances are terrible. My immersion was constantly broken, and the pop-ins during leap of faiths were horrendous.

AC:B and AC:R did a much better job, and the games looked great for it. The draw distance weren't as prominent during leap of faiths or viewpoints either.

AC:3's draw distance wasn't an improvement, but viewpoints and leap of faiths didn't make them obvious anymore. And AC:IV still didn't improve over that. As soon as you fast traveled to Havana's ports and walk towards the first few houses, the pop-ins were obvious. --But it's only an issue in cities. Outside of cities, under water exploration, islands, coves, temple, etc were just right.

From what we've seen of Unity, it improved, but the crowds didn't. They're morphing all over the place.

jayjay275
08-23-2014, 12:23 PM
I think AC's graphical weak points would be aliasing by far. Draw distances are quite bad as well.

Sesheenku
08-23-2014, 12:53 PM
Hey everyone,
Let’s discuss the graphics of Assassin’s Creed games and how the evolved throughout the years. Which one had the best graphics so far and what part of the games is usually badly made in your opinion and what do you wish to see improved whether in the future or in ACUnity.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10628056_691601004254571_1911326457034950665_n.jpg ?oh=18dcedf0035b4ac1d95bd4c539bbe474&oe=546A64E3&__gda__=1417766482_336a9988768bddf94a2f62fe06c2278 c

Sad but true, I wish companies would just show us the real game instead of trying to make us believe it's gonna be hyper realistic. Same with you BK and MCD... if we go into your restaurant then we probably don't care what the food looks like as long as it doesn't have a rat in between the buns, so stop lying.


NOTE: this picture is meant to be funny rather than insulting to the games.

To me, AC:Unity looks pretty promising, however, from the latest trailer, the faces, the plants and the anti-aliasing felt a bit low quality. I love AC:Revelations’ graphics so much as well and I love ACII. Even ACI, ACII and AC:B were really great for their time and don’t look bad now, either.

AC2 hasn't aged well due to its asinine implementation of LoD that they didn't even have the decency to fix with a patch.


I believe they always don’t get the faces and clothes right. It’s like they all look good when they’re not moving, but once they do, you notice the glitches with lightning making the beard glow in dark areas or the weapons and clothes go through one another and the plants/trees have always looked low quality. They always looked like plates that have the leaves texture with transparent background on them.

For the first bolded point that would require collision physics which devs today seem too lazy to program. The ONLY game I've seen it extensively used in within recent memory is the Alice games in which her hair at least collides with anything and everything and for the most part never clips.

Then there's Skyrim where some modders are starting to create a code which uses Skyrims own physics engine to add collision. It's in its early stages but it works for the most part.

Developers don't seem interested in working on collision physics, only pushing raw graphical force forward. Personally I'd prefer my sword not go through my knee constantly.

I found this to be a problem in AC3, in previous games the trees weren't so bad. Technically they are plates, they're flat square textures with a shader telling the engine not to draw whatever color the leaves are on top of.




I feel that the games do need to improve those parts. The buildings usually look good, the shadows and the lights on static objects is usually fine and cutscenes usually do things right but changing outfits gets problematic as they don’t seem to be made to fit the character, like Connor’s prison outfit where the hair disappears in parts where you’re supposedly wearing your hood.

Lol lazy devs ;P


I think in the future, they need to make customizations a part of the game, so you don’t see a major cutscene wearing the default outfit while the minor ones show you wearing the custom one, like in The Last of Us, for example and of course improve on the facial structures, the hair, the plants. The water is usually very beautiful but the wave effect when swimming or sailing looks a bit off. I was hoping the next gen. will iron out most of those kinks but many seems to be persistent. So I’m crossing my fingers for the final cut of AC:U and the games to come.

Feel free to share your opinions and complaints.

Indeed collision physics need to be where they go next and physics in general. I want to see hair physics AND collision and I want to see it for clothes and weapons as well at the absolute bare minimum.

Alice 2 came out in what... 2011? They had decent graphics and collision physics and where they lacked in raw graphical power they far more than made up for it in style. If it had been a big company and a bigger game then the industry would have been embarrassed that their characters still clip through everything.

king-hailz
08-23-2014, 12:53 PM
I've always said that they graphics are good when they are still but when they move it doesn't look too good... hopefully the animations are good in unity... They looked absolutely amazing on the ex trailer with that old man but in the latest game play with the black beard guy they didn't look too good. Ac's has never really had that great character models... They look better in unity!

marvelfannumber
08-23-2014, 02:32 PM
Ac's has never really had that great character models... They look better in unity!

Well atleast the main characters look better, the NPC's look about the same and at some points even worse than they did in AC3/4.

Oh yeah and even after 7 main console titles they still can't get the NPCs animations to look good either. I am really sick of the stick swinging that is supposed to resemble fishing and the obvious animation looping (heck in the new Unity demo I saw an NPC stand still, completely frozen for 1 full second before he switched to a new animation, that is absolutely terrible).

Megas_Doux
08-23-2014, 04:22 PM
PC player here!!!

AC Iīs graphics have aged well, better than ACII for sure!!!!! Its draw distances are good, dont know why everybody is saying otherwise. With that being sad, graphics have never been a strong point in this franchise.

Sesheenku
08-23-2014, 04:26 PM
PC player here!!!

AC Iīs graphics have aged well, better than ACII for sure!!!!! Its draw distances are good, dont know why everybody is saying otherwise. With that being sad, graphics have never been a strong point in this franchise.

Imo it did great with AC1, it's from there that it failed to keep up with other console games. Of course on PC it doesn't stand a chance.

pacmanate
08-23-2014, 04:27 PM
AC's cities have always been good, its just character face models. NPC's just look so derpy all the time, even in ACU

JustPlainQuirky
08-23-2014, 04:31 PM
AC graphics do not age well IMO.

Even Unity's in-game graphics don't look believable like The Order:1886 (and yes im aware because the order is linear and not open world)

Only simplistic graphics like Wind Waker tend to age well anyway

Sushiglutton
08-23-2014, 04:51 PM
I'm really glad the Unity devs are not focusing primarily on graphics, but rather on using the extra power for new features. Crowds, scale, seamless interiors, no loading screens. These are all really great things in my mind!

Think gamers are focusing way too much on 1080p/60fps. I believe it's because they are numbers and numbers feel objective to a lot of people (in a way they are of course). Numbers are easy to compare. Even if you don't know a thing about graphics/tech you can still tell that 1080 is a bigger number than 720. However it may, or may not be the right priority for a project. Kind of have to leave these things to the developers and trust their judgement.

If these things are important to you than PC is def the way to go!

DynastyEmpire
08-23-2014, 04:57 PM
I think alot of you have forgotten how to enjoy games, it seems gamers these days rather enjoy high end pretty graphics which don't make game of the year. The game itself does, along with it's story, soundtrack & game mechanics.Characters performance is included as well as voice acting & combat system & features too.

it's better to have all these than wasting it on fancy graphics which will eventually get boring too look at instead enjoying the game for what it is.


So Sushiglution is right if you only want graphics get pc, since some people these days rather have just graphics than innovation.

JustPlainQuirky
08-23-2014, 05:00 PM
I don't really care about graphics much.

I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

EmbodyingSeven5
08-23-2014, 06:23 PM
assassins creed shouldn't be afraid to take more time with their games. in my opinion gta 5 looks better than it. and that games on last gen!! lol


I think alot of you have forgotten how to enjoy games, it seems gamers these days rather enjoy high end pretty graphics which don't make game of the year. The game itself does, along with it's story, soundtrack & game mechanics.Characters performance is included as well as voice acting & combat system & features too.

it's better to have all these than wasting it on fancy graphics which will eventually get boring too look at instead enjoying the game for what it is.


So Sushiglution is right if you only want graphics get pc, since some people these days rather have just graphics than innovation.

yeah but a great game along with equally great graphics is great as well. what im trying to say is........ take more time with the game ubi!

jayjay275
08-23-2014, 06:58 PM
assassins creed shouldn't be afraid to take more time with their games. In my opinion gta 5 looks better than it. And that games on last gen!! Lol

ac4 > gta5.

Fatal-Feit
08-23-2014, 07:23 PM
I think alot of you have forgotten how to enjoy games, it seems gamers these days rather enjoy high end pretty graphics which don't make game of the year. The game itself does, along with it's story, soundtrack & game mechanics.Characters performance is included as well as voice acting & combat system & features too.

it's better to have all these than wasting it on fancy graphics which will eventually get boring too look at instead enjoying the game for what it is.


So Sushiglution is right if you only want graphics get pc, since some people these days rather have just graphics than innovation.

Excuse me? First of all, it's a thread about discussing AC's graphics. Our criticisms are on topic, and adding to the discussion. There are tonnes of other threads that are non performance/graphics related. And they literally have tonnes more pages and discussions.

Second, graphics are more than visual porn. They add to the presentation and enjoyment of a game. They're just as important as story, soundtrack, and all those other stuff. Things like pop-ins and poor draw distances can ruin a person's immersion.

Third, I disagree. The fact that gamers are more aware and educated on the topic of performance and graphics is miles better than the past. It just means they are more passionate for video games, or said specific games.

As for the PC recommendation.... Please, having a PC does not mean a person can entirely reprogram a game, or build it from the ground up to suit their problems. It's only a boost in resolution, aliasing, FPS, and special features from certain drivers. I don't mean to come off hostile, I just found this post somewhat rude.


assassins creed shouldn't be afraid to take more time with their games. in my opinion gta 5 looks better than it. and that games on last gen!! lol

GTA V does not look better than AC:IV. Well, at least until it releases on PC and the modding community get their hands on it.

aL_____eX
08-23-2014, 07:38 PM
assassins creed shouldn't be afraid to take more time with their games. in my opinion gta 5 looks better than it. and that games on last gen!! lol
Sorry, but no. GTA V doesn't look better than Black Flag.

DynastyEmpire
08-23-2014, 07:47 PM
assassins creed shouldn't be afraid to take more time with their games. in my opinion gta 5 looks better than it. and that games on last gen!! lol

Really bad comparison dude, look rockstar is not some perfect company as you think they are & saying ubisoft is not they are, there are differences between games if you actually pay attention to it, lol.

Rockstar is actually not a very good company.

I don't know why ubisoft should be hated on just because you all think rockstar is some perfect company, lol.

they treat there employees like **** and really they are worse than activison & Ea.

Hans684
08-23-2014, 07:50 PM
Really bad comparison dude, look rockstar is not some perfect company as you think they are & saying ubisoft is not they are, there are differences between games if you actually pay attention to it, lol.

Rockstar is actually not a very good company.

I don't know why ubisoft should be hated on just because you all think rockstar is some perfect company, lol.

they treat there employees like **** and really they are worse than activison & Ea.

Naughty Dog > R*

Daredevil_Diver
08-23-2014, 07:51 PM
Hey everyone,
Let’s discuss the graphics of Assassin’s Creed games and how the evolved throughout the years. Which one had the best graphics so far and what part of the games is usually badly made in your opinion and what do you wish to see improved whether in the future or in ACUnity.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10628056_691601004254571_1911326457034950665_n.jpg ?oh=18dcedf0035b4ac1d95bd4c539bbe474&oe=546A64E3&__gda__=1417766482_336a9988768bddf94a2f62fe06c2278 c

NOTE: this picture is meant to be funny rather than insulting to the games.

To me, AC:Unity looks pretty promising, however, from the latest trailer, the faces, the plants and the anti-aliasing felt a bit low quality. I love AC:Revelations’ graphics so much as well and I love ACII. Even ACI, ACII and AC:B were really great for their time and don’t look bad now, either.

I believe they always don’t get the faces and clothes right. It’s like they all look good when they’re not moving, but once they do, you notice the glitches with lightning making the beard glow in dark areas or the weapons and clothes go through one another and the plants/trees have always looked low quality. They always looked like plates that have the leaves texture with transparent background on them.

I feel that the games do need to improve those parts. The buildings usually look good, the shadows and the lights on static objects is usually fine and cutscenes usually do things right but changing outfits gets problematic as they don’t seem to be made to fit the character, like Connor’s prison outfit where the hair disappears in parts where you’re supposedly wearing your hood.

I think in the future, they need to make customizations a part of the game, so you don’t see a major cutscene wearing the default outfit while the minor ones show you wearing the custom one, like in The Last of Us, for example and of course improve on the facial structures, the hair, the plants. The water is usually very beautiful but the wave effect when swimming or sailing looks a bit off. I was hoping the next gen. will iron out most of those kinks but many seems to be persistent. So I’m crossing my fingers for the final cut of AC:U and the games to come.

Feel free to share your opinions and complaints.

I say all this bull about texture and lighting is overrated. Especially when it doesn't really effect the flow or course of the game. Movement and flow of the characters is where i look most. So the characters beard lights up every once in a while, big whoop. Did anyone notice the lifelike expressiveness that was in his eyes? As long as it walks like a duck (assassin) and talks like a duck (assassin), i have no problem believing its a living, breathing duck (assassin). The natural, *logical motions and body positions of the assassins are draws for me, the more realistic, the better.

In short how Edward Kenway moves when i control him is more important to me than how good his textures look when he's doing it. Of course that's not to say, i don't appreciate the effort.

*that the character's moves are logical to a calculating and discerning mind is also important.

DynastyEmpire
08-23-2014, 07:58 PM
Naughty Dog > R*

Naughty dog>R*

That's actually alot better comparison

Because Really Naughty dog actually treats there employees like people instead of toys, lol.

so i have no problem with this comparison.


Excuse me? First of all, it's a thread about discussing AC's graphics. Our criticisms are on topic, and adding to the discussion. There are tonnes of other threads that are non performance/graphics related. And they literally have tonnes more pages and discussions.

Second, graphics are more than visual porn. They add to the presentation and enjoyment of a game. They're just as important as story, soundtrack, and all those other stuff. Things like pop-ins and poor draw distances can ruin a person's immersion.

Third, I disagree. The fact that gamers are more aware and educated on the topic of performance and graphics is miles better than the past. It just means they are more passionate for video games, or said specific games.

As for the PC recommendation.... Please, having a PC does not mean a person can entirely reprogram a game, or build it from the ground up to suit their problems. It's only a boost in resolution, aliasing, FPS, and special features from certain drivers. I don't mean to come off hostile, I just found this post somewhat rude.



GTA V does not look better than AC:IV. Well, at least until it releases on PC and the modding community get their hands on it.


As for the first one: Look i know this thread is about graphics for assassin's creed unity.

2nd; As for this one, comparing it too porn is dumb & two the games actually have major differences if you pay attention

Third & final one: Look tell me where are the gamers that don't care about graphics? i see nothing but wanting devolpers to focus only on graphics instead of using there talent, alot of you need to get your eyes cheked.

As for the last one: lol, that's funny because i hear these kinds of comments coming from The so called *Pc master race or Pc elithist)*. So what i am not allowed or the guy above suggested this as well? pathetic , pc people says this all time. lool, i don't see how i am not allowed to say it, unless your a pc fanboy?

Because my comment is not rude, otherwise the other guy comment must be rude then too.

Fatal-Feit
08-23-2014, 08:41 PM
2nd; As for this one, comparing it too porn is dumb & two the games actually have major differences if you pay attention

I wasn't comparing anything to porn... Porn in this case doesn't mean what you're thinking it is. And yes, we know that. That's why this thread is here to be discussed. :p


Third & final one: Look tell me where are the gamers that don't care about graphics? i see nothing but wanting devolpers to focus only on graphics instead of using there talent, alot of you need to get your eyes cheked.

Or maybe you should use your brain instead of eyes. (I meant that the least offensive way possible) Everyone in this thread have contributed to other topics like characters, story, gameplay, tumblr, theories, etc, etc. All because there's a topic (with only 2 pages) about graphics doesn't mean we want nothing but graphics.

How about you link me the post where someone wants the developer to only focus on the graphics. I dare you.


As for the last one: lol, that's funny because i hear these kinds of comments coming from The so called *Pc master race or Pc elithist)*. So what i am not allowed or the guy above suggested this as well? pathetic , pc people says this all time. lool, i don't see how i am not allowed to say it, unless your a pc fanboy?

Because my comment is not rude, otherwise the other guy comment must be rude then too.

Now you're just venting. What part of that last part had anything to do with ''PC Master Race''. I was saying the obvious, and making a point. Also, please don't generalize gamers. Or start a platform argument.

DynastyEmpire
08-23-2014, 09:23 PM
I wasn't comparing anything to porn... Porn in this case doesn't mean what you're thinking it is. And yes, we know that. That's why this thread is here to be discussed. :p



Or maybe you should use your brain instead of eyes. (I meant that the least offensive way possible) Everyone in this thread have contributed to other topics like characters, story, gameplay, tumblr, theories, etc, etc. All because there's a topic (with only 2 pages) about graphics doesn't mean we want nothing but graphics.

How about you link me the post where someone wants the developer to only focus on the graphics. I dare you.



Now you're just venting. What part of that last part had anything to do with ''PC Master Race''. I was saying the obvious, and making a point. Also, please don't generalize gamers. Or start a platform argument.

lol, perhaps i misunderstand people arguments these days.

i have seen so many comments, it's hilarious to see how people how people argue in the comment sections of: ign, Gamespot, vg247, n4g & dualshockers.

there's no way i linked anything too much time and too much posts since people are on the comments sections all day long, lol.

one i am not making or generalizing gamers especially since i seen so many comments leads into pointless exceptions of opinions or flamebaiting arguments that leads into console wars, lol.

i'm not even going there.

the only thing i can say is my mistake.

Fatal-Feit
08-23-2014, 10:25 PM
lol, perhaps i misunderstand people arguments these days.

i have seen so many comments, it's hilarious to see how people how people argue in the comment sections of: ign, Gamespot, vg247, n4g & dualshockers.

there's no way i linked anything too much time and too much posts since people are on the comments sections all day long, lol.

one i am not making or generalizing gamers especially since i seen so many comments leads into pointless exceptions of opinions or flamebaiting arguments that leads into console wars, lol.

i'm not even going there.

the only thing i can say is my mistake.

Hey, no problem. Let me tell you, I've learnt to never scroll down at the comments when it comes to IGN, Gamespot, Gameinformer, and other gaming related websites. 90% of them are trolls, or stupid arguments.

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 12:09 PM
Unity will in fact have customization.

I agree with most of your criticisms. My main complaint for the series are the draw distances. AC:3, aside from vegetation, still looks revolutionary for me. Especially its naval. The only thing I didn't like was the draw distance that plagued every game.

In AC:1 and AC:2, the pop-ins and draw distances are terrible. My immersion was constantly broken, and the pop-ins during leap of faiths were horrendous.

AC:B and AC:R did a much better job, and the games looked great for it. The draw distance weren't as prominent during leap of faiths or viewpoints either.

AC:3's draw distance wasn't an improvement, but viewpoints and leap of faiths didn't make them obvious anymore. And AC:IV still didn't improve over that. As soon as you fast traveled to Havana's ports and walk towards the first few houses, the pop-ins were obvious. --But it's only an issue in cities. Outside of cities, under water exploration, islands, coves, temple, etc were just right.

From what we've seen of Unity, it improved, but the crowds didn't. They're morphing all over the place.

Yeah I agree with you as well. The fact that some stuff pop in all of a sudden or start materializing out of nowhere are annoying even though they can be justified with the Animus loading them. In ACIII, I couldnít help but see trees appearing out of nowhere and people as well. I also wish the draw distance will not only be detailed but makes sense. Most of the time it doesnít look like what the area ahead really looks like but more like an image with random shapes that represent the city. Since the next-gen became current, I expect to see more realism in that. The Animus definitely needs to be improved to make sure the experience is seamless, though I wouldnít mind intentional Animus glitches, I still donít want them to be too much.

Unity is indeed improved but from the latest trailer, the faces still look ugly and pixelated, the plants are terrible and the many edges and straight lines get pixelated as we zoom into or away from. I just hope the next gen wonít be just an extra number of NPCs.


Sad but true, I wish companies would just show us the real game instead of trying to make us believe it's gonna be hyper realistic. Same with you BK and MCD... if we go into your restaurant then we probably don't care what the food looks like as long as it doesn't have a rat in between the buns, so stop lying.



AC2 hasn't aged well due to its asinine implementation of LoD that they didn't even have the decency to fix with a patch.



For the first bolded point that would require collision physics which devs today seem too lazy to program. The ONLY game I've seen it extensively used in within recent memory is the Alice games in which her hair at least collides with anything and everything and for the most part never clips.

Then there's Skyrim where some modders are starting to create a code which uses Skyrims own physics engine to add collision. It's in its early stages but it works for the most part.

Developers don't seem interested in working on collision physics, only pushing raw graphical force forward. Personally I'd prefer my sword not go through my knee constantly.

I found this to be a problem in AC3, in previous games the trees weren't so bad. Technically they are plates, they're flat square textures with a shader telling the engine not to draw whatever color the leaves are on top of.

Lol lazy devs ;P

Indeed collision physics need to be where they go next and physics in general. I want to see hair physics AND collision and I want to see it for clothes and weapons as well at the absolute bare minimum.

Alice 2 came out in what... 2011? They had decent graphics and collision physics and where they lacked in raw graphical power they far more than made up for it in style. If it had been a big company and a bigger game then the industry would have been embarrassed that their characters still clip through everything.

I agree with most of your points and yes, some issues are obviously due to either laziness or greed because other games have well handled the issues and made them more realistic and I just donít but the excuse of being ďa big open world gameĒ which makes it impossible for them to make it look better.

I like how modders have improved a lot of stuff with PC versions of the games and I keep wondering why they donít do these themselves, I mean if the modders can do it, they can do it and consoles arenít really than inferior to PC either. So it is indeed possible to utilize the power of the new gen. to create something so detailed and flawless.


I say all this bull about texture and lighting is overrated. Especially when it doesn't really effect the flow or course of the game. Movement and flow of the characters is where i look most. So the characters beard lights up every once in a while, big whoop. Did anyone notice the lifelike expressiveness that was in his eyes? As long as it walks like a duck (assassin) and talks like a duck (assassin), i have no problem believing its a living, breathing duck (assassin). The natural, *logical motions and body positions of the assassins are draws for me, the more realistic, the better.

In short how Edward Kenway moves when i control him is more important to me than how good his textures look when he's doing it. Of course that's not to say, i don't appreciate the effort.

*that the character's moves are logical to a calculating and discerning mind is also important.

Itís not overrated, itís a discussion about the game graphics so every detail is significant and nobody said that it affects the gameplay, but then again, nobody really wants a new generation of consoles if the games look the same as the past. The gameplay is the same, it doesnít need a new generation of consoles or PC upgrades to be more fun or detailed. I recall many PSone games being more entertaining in their gameplay and story than most PS3 and PS4 games of today and they were all pixelated, so the only things one can expect from new consoles are the graphics and they donít seem to be improving much.

Of course, one can play a game with a weird looking beard, a pixelated face, ugly plants and unrealistic animations, yet when you upgrade to the next generation, the least you expect is for the game to look as realistic as they promote it to be. They take the best screenshots from the best angles that you probably canít achieve in your normal gameplay and promote the game as ďvery realisticĒ but then the final product looks nowhere near the quality of the screenshots or the initial trailers.

Legendz54
08-24-2014, 12:25 PM
It looks nice... Thats all that matters to me.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/fjdge9.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1h36v.jpg

I mean daaammmmm...

ACfan443
08-24-2014, 01:23 PM
It looks nice... Thats all that matters to me.

[IMG]http://oi62.tinypic.com/fjdge9.jpg
[IMG]http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1h36v.jpg

I mean daaammmmm...

You can say that again.
http://abload.de/img/imagepeksc.jpg
http://abload.de/img/imagehtkcw.jpg
http://abload.de/img/imagetrk4u.jpg
http://abload.de/img/image9qjn2.jpg

The third one looks like a painting.

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 02:28 PM
You can say that again.
http://abload.de/img/imagepeksc.jpg
http://abload.de/img/imagehtkcw.jpg
http://abload.de/img/imagetrk4u.jpg
http://abload.de/img/image9qjn2.jpg

The third one looks like a painting.

AC:U is a big improvement, we all know that but I’m just mentioning the fact that some inconsistencies or flaws are still present. If you checkout the tech-demo I added to the original post, you’ll see what I mean. I’m not saying that I expect every game to be like that but I’m just wonder if these high standards will ever be met in an AAA title like AC. Because so far, this looks more like wonderful PS3 graphics than the tech demo we’ve seen.

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 02:33 PM
AC:U is a big improvement, we all know that but Iím just mentioning the fact that some inconsistencies or flaws are still present. If you checkout the tech-demo I added to the original post, youíll see what I mean. Iím not saying that I expect every game to be like that but Iím just wonder if these high standards will ever be met in an AAA title like AC. Because so far, this looks more like wonderful PS3 graphics than the tech demo weíve seen.
Well PS3 never could have hit such a performance in Anti Aliasing, draw distance and detail. We are just at the beginning of next gen and seeing this fact I think Unity is awesome no matter if it looks like the E3 demo or like what we've seen at gamescom (which wasn't a 'downgrade' imo - I hate this word). It will be right next to inFamous in terms of graphics I guess. And I would definitely be fine with that, if we get 1080p at solid 30fps or even better 45-50fps

I think the PS3's biggest graphic flaws always has been the bad AA, which has definitely been improved on PS4 so far.

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 03:08 PM
Well PS3 never could have hit such a performance in Anti Aliasing, draw distance and detail. We are just at the beginning of next gen and seeing this fact I think Unity is awesome no matter if it looks like the E3 demo or like what we've seen at gamescom (which wasn't a 'downgrade' imo - I hate this word). It will be right next to inFamous in terms of graphics I guess. And I would definitely be fine with that, if we get 1080p at solid 30fps or even better 45-50fps

I think the PS3's biggest graphic flaws always has been the bad AA, which has definitely been improved on PS4 so far.

Well here’s the thing: the PS3 was capable of presenting graphically stunning products like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, FINAL FANTSY XIII (the first game had the best graphics), BEYOND: Two Souls, Heavy Rain and a few others and those really took the console to it’s limits while the majority of the franchises did not.

What worries me is that the same thing happens on PS4 and only 2-3 games be as brilliant as the tech demo, Agni’s Philosophy while the rest just remain on the level of Infamous: Second Son and AC:Unity or even worse, MURDERED: Soul Suspect. I’m not saying PS3 games did not improve through the years, but I’m just saying that I’m scared that these big titles will always rely on their fame to sell rather than being so experimental and adventurous with graphics like how Quantic Dream always wanna raise the bar for realistic and stunning graphics.

And since we’ve mentioned E3 and downgrading, if you look at the sneak peek trailer, they said it’s not CGI but graphics of the game. Ok, when you look at the E3 trailer, it looks brilliant, the gameplay was beautiful, the shadows, NPCs and all. But of course, it’s slightly less than the quality of the Sneak Peek. However, looking at the Paris Horizon trailer, it is close to the E3 demo in quality but it is nowhere near the Sneak Peak’s brilliance.

I don’t if they downgraded the gameplay or the just showed a CGI trailer and labeled it “realtime or in-game graphics” with the sneak peak, but I’m pretty sure that the last trailer isn’t as good as the sneak peak. Whatever the reason was but AC:U in general is indeed an improvement from ACIV.

Daredevil_Diver
08-24-2014, 03:20 PM
I don't really care about graphics much.

I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

same. I care but only in a very broad sense. if it walks like a duck, stalks like a duck, and assassinates like a duck, then it's an assassin duck.

if they do the job, then why worry about the character skin texture?

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 05:55 PM
I don’t if they downgraded the gameplay or the just showed a CGI trailer and labeled it “realtime or in-game graphics” with the sneak peak, but I’m pretty sure that the last trailer isn’t as good as the sneak peak. Whatever the reason was but AC:U in general is indeed an improvement from ACIV.

The 'sneak Peak' was just that - an unplanned release of very early footage running in real time - you can see the glitches.. CGI glitches? really? :) - They rushed it out to help put peoples minds at rest about the look and feel of the game - at the time, there were several screenshots that appeared to show the game - and many people where complaining about them - so the team wanted to show those people the real deal, as it was at the time.

People have to remember that games are not just 'made' and released - they go through many months of optimisation and tweaking - sometimes this can affect the graphics, since the sneak peak would only be a very small part of the full game.

Also - different formats are used for different trailers - so some differences may also appear there..

I'm sure people will say 'yeah we know.. but..'



Anyone concerned about the games graphics - should check the 'launch trailer' to see the final optimised game in action.

However - in my eyes - the footage released recently - is still miles ahead of anything on the older generation of consoles… However I also appreciate we can't always please everyone ;)

JustPlainQuirky
08-24-2014, 05:57 PM
MR SHADE IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

MR SHAAAAAAADE :D :D :D

I'm so happy QuQ

SHADOWGARVIN
08-24-2014, 05:58 PM
However - in my eyes - the footage released recently - is still miles ahead of anything on the older generation of consoles… However I also appreciate we can't always please everyone ;)

I thought it looked fantastic!!

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 06:03 PM
I thought it looked fantastic!!
And you are not alone..

Many people are extremely happy with it..

Of course, the consoles might not quite match the graphics on a high end PC, since they are not as powerful - so anyone concerned about wanting high AA and high levels of filtering - would most likely have a £1000 PC, rather than a £300 console.

But remember - footage show is still not final - so there is time for optimisation to happen, and they will get the game the best they can..

Consoles might always be surpassed by PC - however - the console game is shaping up to be one heck of a looker..

SHADOWGARVIN
08-24-2014, 06:15 PM
And you are not alone..

Many people are extremely happy with it..

Of course, the consoles might not quite match the graphics on a high end PC, since they are not as powerful - so anyone concerned about wanting high AA and high levels of filtering - would most likely have a £1000 PC, rather than a £300 console.

But remember - footage show is still not final - so there is time for optimisation to happen, and they will get the game the best they can..

Consoles might always be surpassed by PC - however - the console game is shaping up to be one heck of a looker..

Indeed it is. I can't wait to play it!!

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 06:38 PM
The 'sneak Peak' was just that - an unplanned release of very early footage running in real time - you can see the glitches.. CGI glitches? really? :) - They rushed it out to help put peoples minds at rest about the look and feel of the game - at the time, there were several screenshots that appeared to show the game - and many people where complaining about them - so the team wanted to show those people the real deal, as it was at the time.

People have to remember that games are not just 'made' and released - they go through many months of optimisation and tweaking - sometimes this can affect the graphics, since the sneak peak would only be a very small part of the full game.

Also - different formats are used for different trailers - so some differences may also appear there..

I'm sure people will say 'yeah we know.. but..'



Anyone concerned about the games graphics - should check the 'launch trailer' to see the final optimised game in action.

However - in my eyes - the footage released recently - is still miles ahead of anything on the older generation of consoles… However I also appreciate we can't always please everyone ;)

Yes, I’m well aware that the games don’t just happen, and that they go through different types of processes to become what we buy for our consoles or PCs. However, what you just said above is what I’m concerned about. You said that the Sneak Peak was released so that it reassures people about the quality of the final product, well it doesn’t really reflect the quality of the product so far and then again you said that the launch trailer will be what they final cut will be. Then what’s the point of a sneak peak if it came way too early and only reflect a small part of the game rather than all of it?

AC:Unity is not bad, but I’m sure there’s more to what consoles can offer than this and that was shown in several tech demos like the one I added to the OP. I know that PC usually offer a better experience than consoles, but it’s not so drastic that the game looks like playable CGI on PC while it looks like PS3 on consoles, otherwise, Agni’s Philosophy and Quantic Dream’s tech demo wouldn’t have happened since they promote what next gen console will provide.

Not really trying to bash the game or argue here but I personally play on consoles not because they’re cheaper, but because they’re more comfortable to me, and since these consoles boast high standards upon their announcement, I tend to expect something of similar quality from AAA games such as AC and the likes.

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 06:41 PM
what’s the point of a sneak peak if it came way too early and only reflect a small part of the game rather than all of it?


It was shown due to certain people having dramas over screen shots - that 'leaked' - many people where worried that it was what the game looked like at that point in the dev cycle..

Needless to say, it wasn't..



tbh - If they show something - they lie..

If they don't show something - they are hiding something.


the game looks like playable CGI on PC while it looks like PS3 on consoles, otherwise, Agni’s Philosophy and Quantic Dream’s tech demo wouldn’t have happened since they promote what next gen console will provide..

Tech demos - are not 'games' - so comparing them to an playable open world game is a little one sided.


And I would love to see a PS3 capable of Unitys graphics - yours must be very special.;)


However - the game is not finished yet - however what I have seen, I have been impressed with, however I have played most of the AAA games on the new consoles, so I know the limitations they have - like AA / Filtering etc - some would argue they are not as powerful as others seem to think, or how some news sites make out.

Next Gen - is not just AA and filtering - or '1080p' it's processing AI and lots of other little things - which add upto a whole.


Time will tell though.. ;)

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 07:06 PM
It was shown due to certain people having dramas over screen shots - that 'leaked' - many people where worried that it was what the game looked like at that point in the dev cycle..

Needless to say, it wasn't..



tbh - If they show something - they lie..

If they don't show something - they are hiding something.



Tech demos - are not 'games' - so comparing them to an playable open world game is a little one sided.


And I would love to see a PS3 capable of Unitys graphics - yours must be very special.;)


However - the game is not finished yet - however what I have seen, I have been impressed with, however I have played most of the AAA games on the new consoles, so I know the limitations they have - like AA / Filtering etc - some would argue they are not as powerful as others seem to think, or how some news sites make out.

Next Gen - is not just AA and filtering - or '1080p' it's processing AI and lots of other little things - which add upto a whole.


Time will tell though.. ;)

There’s no question that I love Assassin’s Creed and there’s no question that AC:U is beautiful and not like past gen. That we both can agree on. And I agree about the dramas people make over games and about whether you announce or don’t announce something. I’ve seen that haha :P

It’s true that there’s usually some sort of standard to the games in a certain generation, like for example ACIII, Mass Effect 3, Dead Space 3, they’re almost on the same level of graphics which is basically what defines a generation. However, there were games like FFXIII, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Beyond: Two Souls. Those really exceeded the others even though the others were very good. Those took the console to it’s limits. That’s what I hope to see in the future for AC, on this generation.

Maybe the other games use a different engine or perhaps got more time in development. I don’t know. But since AC is my No.1 franchise since the first game came out, everything I write here to criticize it is because I love not because I’m simply not pleased. :)

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 07:27 PM
Itís true that thereís usually some sort of standard to the games in a certain generation, like for example ACIII, Mass Effect 3, Dead Space 3, theyíre almost on the same level of graphics which is basically what defines a generation. However, there were games like FFXIII, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Beyond: Two Souls. Those really exceeded the others even though the others were very good. Those took the console to itís limits. Thatís what I hope to see in the future for AC, on this generation.


Your forgetting about the main factor..

Time..


Not time in developing a single game - but the Consoles age..

The older it is - the better games can look - due to the time they have had with the hardware.. ;)


A lot of those titles - came about after a few years of the consoles being out ;)


We are currently less than a year old for both Xbox One and PS4?

So, I expect great things from both, as they age.

marvelfannumber
08-24-2014, 07:29 PM
People have to remember that games are not just 'made' and released - they go through many months of optimisation and tweaking


So I assume they're just 'made' and released on PC then :rolleyes:

OH SNAP!

#Controversialjoke

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 07:37 PM
So I assume they're just 'made' and released on PC then :rolleyes:

OH SNAP!

#Controversialjoke
If that was true - they wouldn't have always had to delay them :P

#Controversialjoke


Tbh - all of the games work well - just depends on your hardware and 'expectations' - which many seem to think means whacking everything to ULTRA and expecting 120fps ;)

Shahkulu101
08-24-2014, 07:41 PM
If that was true - they wouldn't have always had to delay them :P

#Controversialjoke


Tbh - all of the games work well - just depends on your hardware and 'expectations' - which many seem to think means whacking everything to ULTRA and expecting 120fps ;)

Come now, shadey...

If there's people with Nvidia Titans that can't hit 60fps In W_D there's a problem with the optimization. ;)

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 07:43 PM
Come now, shadey...

If there's people with Nvidia Titans that can't hit 60fps In W_D there's a problem with the optimization. ;)
And yet there's people with lower spec that can..

Odd that..?
Just cause you have a certain card - or ram - doesn't means it just works.. plenty other stuff that can stop a game from running well - ..

However - this is not the topic..;)

JustPlainQuirky
08-24-2014, 07:45 PM
Black Flag dips into 15 fps on my PC on lowest settings Q-Q

I assume its cuz the PC I borrow is garbage tho. #thoitisprettynew

Shahkulu101
08-24-2014, 07:46 PM
And yet there's people with lower spec that can..

Odd that..?
Just cause you have a certain card - or ram - that that means it just works.. plenty other stuff that can stop a game from running well - ..

However - this is not the topic..;)

Well I wasn't talking about myself, I'm primarily console player but I have a half decent PC. Just saying, from what I hear there is a problem with PC optimization - and I'm not talking about totally irrational individuals who just want to complain.

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 07:47 PM
Black Flag dips into 15 fps on my PC on lowest settings Q-Q

I assume its cuz the PC I borrow is garbage tho. #thoitisprettynew

Should talk to Yaz or one of the guys who gets a solid 60 - lowering details etc, doesn't always make things better - if you have a bottleneck etc :)

marvelfannumber
08-24-2014, 07:49 PM
Well I myself own all the ACs on PC (except 4 where I was like, screw it why not get it on me PS3), and they all run decently for me on high (Except for ACR and AC3 which randomly dip, though that might be because they're graphically superior to the other ones).

However I have heard alot of horror stories from people when it comes to Ubisoft games on PC.

AherasSTRG
08-24-2014, 07:53 PM
Should talk to Yaz or one of the guys who gets a solid 60 - lowering details etc, doesn't always make things better - if you have a bottleneck etc :)

With all due respect, Mr_Shade, the absence of Tripple Buffering from a 2013 title, aka Assassin's Creed 4, has nothing to do with an individual's expectations or hardware benchmarks. Having to use a 3rd party program, D3DOverrider, to make the game run at any framerate higher than 30 is just showing... I just can't find the words to express it. It's just terrible. Assassin's Creed games always fall short when it comes to their optimisation both on consoles and on the PC.

So, I cannot, but discard the arguments you present in your previous posts.

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 07:55 PM
So, I cannot, but discard the arguments you present in your previous posts.

Well carry on then - since you guys seem to have the answers already about Unity, so I'll toddle off else where. :)

AherasSTRG
08-24-2014, 07:58 PM
Well carry on then - since you guys seem to have the answers already about Unity, so I'll toddle off else where. :)

No, no, don't leave Mr_Shade, we love you. But, I don't agree with you... Sorry for being rude while expressing it... :(

Mr_Shade
08-24-2014, 08:06 PM
It's ok - I have other things to do, so carry on - best if you guys discuss it anyway - since you are the ones who are worried ;)

SlyTrooper
08-24-2014, 08:16 PM
It's ok - I have other things to do, so carry on - best if you guys discuss it anyway - since you are the ones who are worried ;)

People need to be more chilled like me. Those who are worrying have never used a PC as bad as mine. My PC struggles to play Minecraft on the lowest settings. Anything better than that & my computer freezes. Maybe when I get a better PC I will become just as concerned... That could be next year.

Hans684
08-24-2014, 08:39 PM
While I get the points, your take on the graphics is not exactly fair either, just look:

AC(1), first AC to be released at what was called next-gen(last-gen now) back in 2007.
http://drh1.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/ubi/images/screenshots/AC1_PC_1.jpg

ACIVBF, one of the last-gen AC's pushed to it's graphical limit in 2013.
http://img.au.gpncdn.com/full/61f904fcab3a88ffe4d319eea75f0a7b.jpeg

See the different? Time is needed for improvement, crucifying these "downgrades" won't get it to its limits but time will.

jeordievera
08-24-2014, 08:42 PM
Or like this http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/4509/8390_9daf_960.jpeg
It just amazes me with how little we were able to keep up with and how far we've come yet still complaining

Hans684
08-24-2014, 08:49 PM
Or like this http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/4509/8390_9daf_960.jpeg
It just amazes me with how little we were able to keep up with and how far we've come yet still complaining

Thanks, this is a far better example.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-24-2014, 08:50 PM
Or like this http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/4509/8390_9daf_960.jpeg
It just amazes me with how little we were able to keep up with and how far we've come yet still complaining

The Evolution of Tomb Raider.

Ahh, those were the days.

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 08:56 PM
See the different? Time is needed for improvement, crucifying these "downgrades" won't get it to its limits but time will.
There it is again. :(

I have to agree with you, graphical improvements need time. The devs need to learn more about how to optimize games for the new and better hardware so that they run smooth with high detail and great graphics. And I think Unity, Far Cry 4, The Order 1886 (exclusive I know) and also Ryse are indeed a good start for the new generation, at least I think so although some of them are still not out. And it will become better and better...


http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/4509/8390_9daf_960.jpeg
So interesting how Lara's waist changed with time, especially the new Lara.

jeordievera
08-24-2014, 09:03 PM
So interesting how Lara's waist changed with time, especially the new Lara.
Yeah and the breasts area got more realistic :p

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:04 PM
Graphics aren't the problem.

The pop in seems to be the issue this time around, framerate looks good though.

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 09:08 PM
Graphics aren't the problem.

The pop in seems to be the issue this time around, framerate looks good though.
After playing all ACs on PS3, I really hope you're right. Luckily Black Flag on PS4 was fine.

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 09:22 PM
Your forgetting about the main factor..

Time..


Not time in developing a single game - but the Consoles age..

The older it is - the better games can look - due to the time they have had with the hardware.. ;)


A lot of those titles - came about after a few years of the consoles being out ;)


We are currently less than a year old for both Xbox One and PS4?

So, I expect great things from both, as they age.

Letís hope so. Iíve paid double the price to get my PS4 early on time but sadly, the 6 months were just cross-gens and remastered titles. So letís hope we actually do get to see something close to what was promoted about this generation of consoles. Iím still really happy that weíre getting 2 games this year and theyíre just 14 days apart.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:25 PM
Ubi pls fix pop in cause its horrible

RinoTheBouncer
08-24-2014, 09:32 PM
Ubi pls fix pop in cause its horrible
You mean the pop up stuff? I hate them too. There’s just too much info on the screen and I don’t wanna turn all those off at the same time. I just don’t like seeing everything highlighting, showing text or windows and notifications appearing. It’s very immersion breaking.

GunnerGalactico
08-24-2014, 09:32 PM
We are currently less than a year old for both Xbox One and PS4?

So, I expect great things from both, as they age.

Ahh, this year is definitely a great time to get myself a PS4 or Xbox One :D

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:35 PM
You mean the pop up stuff? I hate them too. There’s just too much info on the screen and I don’t wanna turn all those off at the same time. I just don’t like seeing everything highlighting, showing text or windows and notifications appearing. It’s very immersion breaking.

Can you explain what you mean by this?
http://i.imgur.com/A86KpOH.jpg
Its obviously just a mini game of sorts. Reminds me of the training VR stuff from Brotherhood. How does the gameplay "suck"? Also Ezio isn't a bloody saint.

Shahkulu101
08-24-2014, 09:37 PM
Pac you're referring to the forbidden leek

Dats a no no

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:46 PM
:| cocktails man, cocktails.

Shahkulu101
08-24-2014, 09:47 PM
:| cocktails man, cocktails.

Wut

JustPlainQuirky
08-24-2014, 09:48 PM
I have noticed some bad pop-in in AC games regardless of the platform.

Noticed it in Watch_Dogs too.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:48 PM
Wut

Ive been drinking cocktails all day, I only started internets like an hour ago. Anyways, back on topic :p

@Mayrice, Really? I haven't noticed any bad pop ins in any AC game except for AC3

JustPlainQuirky
08-24-2014, 09:51 PM
Well I have been playing AC3 a lot recently so maybe I just have that on my mind.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:53 PM
Well I have been playing AC3 a lot recently so maybe I just have that on my mind.

AC3 sucks in pop in, draw distance and frame rate.

jeordievera
08-24-2014, 09:54 PM
Ive been drinking cocktails all day, I only started internets like an hour ago. Anyways, back on topic :p

@Mayrice, Really? I haven't noticed any bad pop ins in any AC game except for AC3
Sunday Funday!
Anyways how about AC4 pop ins...I had lot of these

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 09:59 PM
Sunday Funday!
Anyways how about AC4 pop ins...I had lot of these

I didn't on PS4, can't remember on PS3...

I will be playing AC4 in a week or so though so I'll look out for them

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2014, 10:27 PM
@Mayrice, Really? I haven't noticed any bad pop ins in any AC game except for AC3

AC:1 and AC:2 had absolutely horrendous pop-ins.

AC:IV"s pop-ins were good enough. It's mostly noticeable in cities like Havana and Kingston.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 10:33 PM
AC:1 and AC:2 had absolutely horrendous pop-ins.

AC:IV"s pop-ins were good enough. It's mostly noticeable in cities like Havana and Kingston.

AC3 was still the worst :p

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 10:38 PM
If someone doesn't love ACIII, this games sucks at nearly ever paramater a game can suck.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 10:41 PM
If someone doesn't love ACIII, this games sucks at nearly ever paramater a game can suck.

Oh no, that game on consoles has the worst framerate, pop in and draw distance of ANY AC game, thats a fact

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 10:45 PM
Seems to be a communication problem here. Maybe it's my bad english. I just wanted to compliment what you said. :p In other words, if I didn't love ACIII like I do, I would hate it because from the technical aspects it doesn't deserve the AAA status at all. This game is glitchy as hell and feels so unfinished and unpolished.

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2014, 10:50 PM
AC3 was still the worst :p

Nah, AC:3 was bad, but AC:1 and AC:2 are horrendous. Horrendous.

The draw distance in AC:1 and AC:2 are also even worse than AC:3. That's an undoubted fact.

I can go and record some gameplay.

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 10:55 PM
I can go and record some gameplay.
Oooookay

https://38.media.tumblr.com/69fc7ba0909f98b1347fe29b476f34cd/tumblr_nas8t08JPe1s2wio8o1_500.gif

Ureh
08-24-2014, 10:56 PM
Sunday Funday!
Anyways how about AC4 pop ins...I had lot of these

The npcs always seem to beam down from the enterprise too.

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2014, 10:59 PM
Oooookay *snip*

The magic of PC, kids.

[EDIT] Nevermind, I forgot how poorly optimized AC games were. You can go windowed mode in any of them, and my Camtasia recorder can't record full-screen gameplay.

pacmanate
08-24-2014, 11:11 PM
Cant help but find it funny how you said "magic of PC's" and "Can't record full screen gameplay" in the same post

Shahkulu101
08-24-2014, 11:14 PM
You can record PS4 gameplay using one button and soon you will be able to upload it straight to YouTube...

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2014, 11:17 PM
Cant help but find it funny how you said "magic of PC's" and "Can't record full screen gameplay" in the same post

Believe me, I'm still chuckling. :p

Megas_Doux
08-24-2014, 11:23 PM
Gotta say though, there are some mods that kinda fix the graphics: ENB and the 4K textures one, to name a few.

SlyTrooper
08-24-2014, 11:23 PM
Nah, AC:3 was bad, but AC:1 and AC:2 are horrendous. Horrendous.

The draw distance in AC:1 and AC:2 are also even worse than AC:3. That's an undoubted fact.

I can go and record some gameplay.

I was playing AC1 today in the Kingdom, & the draw distance is brilliant.

aL_____eX
08-24-2014, 11:25 PM
You all got me curious again. I'm going to play AC1 right now and check the graphics.


edit: Just realized the disc is not in its case, then realized the game was included with Revelations.

http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/aOyb0bv_460sa_v1.gif

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2014, 11:31 PM
Just played AC:1.

First minute of gameplay had bad texture pop-ins. Video uploading.

AC:2 lags with Fraps for some reason. I'll upload it if poor FPS doesn't bother you.

[edit]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om19uH76o-o

Recording cut off at the best part. The next 5-10 seconds were the worse shadows and texture pop-ins of my AC experience.

Landruner
08-25-2014, 12:31 AM
Really bad comparison dude, look rockstar is not some perfect company as you think they are & saying ubisoft is not they are, there are differences between games if you actually pay attention to it, lol.

Rockstar is actually not a very good company.

I don't know why ubisoft should be hated on just because you all think rockstar is some perfect company, lol.

they treat there employees like **** and really they are worse than activison & Ea.

With all my respect, I came across your reply/posts to others, and I believe that you do not get what people are writing there - No one hates Ubisoft there, and if some AC fans are upset at them for whatever reason, it does not mean they "Hate" Ubisoft!
People are free to express their affection, opinion, concerns anger and deception, you may agree or disagree but it does not mean that you have put people as haters when they talk freely about Ubisoft. Btw I know some dudes (and dudesses) that work at Rockstar and they are very happy to work there.

Megas_Doux
08-25-2014, 12:41 AM
I beg to differ, Ubisoft gets a lot hate, not as much as Activion or EA, but still......

The Annualization of AC and the whole Watch dogs downgrade scandal are not helping! I think part of that hate is exaggerated, because MANY companies do the same these days. For example I like Naughty Dog and Rockstar, but those two seem to get away with stuff Ubi gets torched for.

Landruner
08-25-2014, 01:09 AM
I beg to differ, Ubisoft gets a lot hate, not as much as Activion or EA, but still......

The Annualization of AC and the whole Watch dogs downgrade scandal are not helping! I think part of that hate is exaggerated, because MANY companies do the same these days. For example I like Naughty Dog and Rockstar, but those two seem to get away with stuff Ubi gets torched for.


People do not hate Ubisoft - Ubisoft just lost the trust of a lot of people....

Edit: And I should add because I just saw that they removed one of my thread again....:mad: they disappoint a lot of people too,,,

Landruner
08-25-2014, 01:53 AM
Returning to the original post regarding the graphic - The most tricky part that annoyed me the most for AC4 were the missing animation from the main character and the NPCs. I still believe that the graphic were beautiful (I played it on 360) and even for that past gen console, the graphic, lighting and environments were stunning even for a past gen console.

I still agree with the fact that the characters model facial expressions or facial conception were odd and people were looking weird time to time,
I could compare with the Xbox O and PS4, the graphics and animations were pretty similar to me at the difference of some ambiance effects that were not present in the 360 I played. In short, I was not blown away like i though I would have been and I stood with my 360 version although I wanted to buy it for PS4. I honestly did not see the point in re-buying it for PS4.

For Unity, I do not know what to think I saw some quick footage of it (linked and else unofficial material), and I was not that impressed by the graphics and animation I saw in them and I saw as well a lot of icons and pop windows that appeared in game, but I do not know if degree in production those piece of footage were from, so I prefer keeping it until the game comes out and people could actually what the game really looks like.

Megas_Doux
08-25-2014, 02:14 AM
AC III has had the best character models so far, whereas ACIV the best environment!

Unity seems good, although the whole disappearing NPCīs kinda concern me.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-25-2014, 02:22 AM
AC III has had the best character models so far, whereas ACIV the best environment!

Unity seems good, although the whole disappearing NPCīs kinda concern me.

^ Agreed.

aL_____eX
08-25-2014, 02:24 AM
I always felt the characters in ACIII look like they were dipped into some kind of shiny glaze. And don't get me started with the beards, lol. Faulkner's beard never moved in the same directions like the rest of his face.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-25-2014, 02:39 AM
I always felt the characters in ACIII look like they were dipped into some kind of shiny glaze. And don't get me started with the beards, lol. Faulkner's beard never moved in the same directions like the rest of his face.

Lol, I have noticed that on some of the guards too.

And I never noticed that about Faulkner's beard. I need to look at that when I play AC3 again.

masterfenix2009
08-25-2014, 02:40 AM
Blegh. I can't add much to a graphical discussion. I never notice pop-ins, bad texture, differences in frame rate or 1080p or 720p. The graphics in each AC game are a small improvement each time.

pacmanate
08-25-2014, 02:56 AM
In AC3 a lot of stuff was glazed in semen in looked like. Especially Altairs outfit. No wonder the flaps of the outfit stuck to Connors legs

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 01:36 PM
In AC3 a lot of stuff was glazed in semen in looked like. Especially Altairs outfit. No wonder the flaps of the outfit stuck to Connors legs

Iíve noticed stuff sticking but never thought of semen. Maybe Connor was quite active, sexually ;)

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 01:39 PM
http://hugelolcdn.com/i/261618.gif

OMG hahahahaha
this is epic ;)

Mr_Shade
08-25-2014, 01:41 PM
And that's one way to get a thread locked..

Further posting of unsuitable comments or images - with suggestive comments or innuendo - will be deleted and infractions issued.


Thread will also be locked.


If you guys can't respect the forum rules - then you can't be trusted to post in a serous thread.

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 01:50 PM
And that's one way to get a thread locked..

Further posting of unsuitable comments or images - with suggestive comments or innuendo - will be deleted and infractions issued.


Thread will also be locked.


If you guys can't respect the forum rules - then you can't be trusted to post in a serous thread.

Thanks for the warning instead of closing right away :)

pacmanate
08-25-2014, 02:14 PM
So incest signatures between a father and son are okay, yet if I say something looks like something I get told off?

Okay then, guess I'll start making a new signature.

Mr_Shade
08-25-2014, 02:16 PM
So incest signatures between a father and son are okay, yet if I say something looks like something I get told off?

Okay then, guess I'll start making a new signature.


Images are vetted when reported - having someone stand behind someone else in a signature - is not incest.. unless it's implied by wording etc.

And then it's down to interpretation..

Posting what you said, was pretty clear.


If you have issues with peoples signatures - report them - it's no excuse to make one to test the team.

killzab
08-25-2014, 02:16 PM
So incest signatures between a father and son are okay, yet if I say something looks like something I get told off?

Okay then, guess I'll start making a new signature.


Yeah I agree I can't stand this ConHayth ****

pacmanate
08-25-2014, 02:17 PM
Images are vetted when reported - having someone stand behind someone else in a signature - is not incest.. unless it's implied by wording etc.

And then it's down to interpretation..

Posting what you said, was pretty clear.


If you have issues with peoples signatures - report them - it's no excuse to make one to test the team.

Ah yes, cause a Son and Father kissing mouth to mouth in a sexual way is not incest.

Legendz54
08-25-2014, 02:19 PM
Ah yes, cause a Son and Father kissing mouth to mouth in a sexual way is not incest.

Threw up in my mouth a little reading that...

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 02:19 PM
I think it’s pretty much like the nipples thing on T.V., you can show as much as you want from a woman’s breast as long as the nipples are hidden, for some reason. Same goes for kissing whether it’s incest or not. As long as no reproductive organs are shown, they pass as ok. I’m not defending that perspective but just explaining how it usually goes when films, games, T.V. shows are rated and forum posts are judged. It’s like for example on Madonna forums, like other forums, cursing is not allowed even when Madonna herself curses and cusses like a sailor on stage haha.

But anyway, let’s get back to discuss the graphics to prevent our nice discussion from getting locked.

aL_____eX
08-25-2014, 02:20 PM
I like dem AC graphix a loooot. :)

Mr_Shade
08-25-2014, 02:22 PM
Ah yes, cause a Son and Father kissing mouth to mouth in a sexual way is not incest.

well report away and we will deal - we don't check every signature - but if they are reported - we will look into it..

I will go have a little search..

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 02:22 PM
I like dem AC graphix a loooot. :)

I like Arno’s pretty face in AC:U. He’s pretty well made. I wonder how awesome Ezio looks like in next gen graphics ;)

pacmanate
08-25-2014, 02:23 PM
well report away and we will deal - we don't check every signature - but if they are reported - we will look into it..

I will go have a little search..

No point now, you missed it for like 2 weeks

ACfan443
08-25-2014, 03:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om19uH76o-o

Those 30 seconds reminded me what an aesthetically impressive and atmospheric game AC1 is, especially for a last gen 07 entry. I regularly boot it up and aimlessly explore the world, and to this day marvel at the fantastic lighting, beautiful locations and great art direction. And that atmosphere and music, so enchanting and wonderfully ominous.

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 03:41 PM
Those 30 seconds reminded me what an aesthetically impressive and atmospheric game AC1 is, especially for a last gen 07 entry. I regularly boot it up and aimlessly explore the world, and to this day marvel at the fantastic lighting, beautiful locations and great art direction. And that atmosphere and music, so enchanting and wonderfully ominous.

Yes, I love it very much. It was released early into the PS3’s life span and yet still it looked drastically different from PS2 games. Something that is given as an excuse these days for games that look like past gen and their devs say “That’s because it’s only the first year of the consoles’ life cycle”.

CoachAssassin
08-25-2014, 04:33 PM
My mom who has no interest in video games saw the trailer of ACR and said it looked beautiful but somehow the eyes tell that it's CGI and not real. It's the same for games, the drastically unrealistic eyes dissapoint me every time.

Megas_Doux
08-25-2014, 04:40 PM
AC I has aged REALLY well, I would dare say it has the best graphics considering the year of its release. On PC easlity bests every other game in the franchise with the exception of AC IIIīs models and some AC IVīs environments.

And I have played every AC on the same relatively high end PC using the same mods.

Fatal-Feit
08-25-2014, 04:41 PM
Those 30 seconds reminded me what an aesthetically impressive and atmospheric game AC1 is, especially for a last gen 07 entry. I regularly boot it up and aimlessly explore the world, and to this day marvel at the fantastic lighting, beautiful locations and great art direction. And that atmosphere and music, so enchanting and wonderfully ominous.

Same here. If my recorder had more time, I would have slowed down and paced it better. Aesthetics and atmosphere are why I absolutely love all the AC games.

If people saw how I really play, it would look like I'm showing off a tech demo or something. I may have too much time on my hands, but I can't help but either jog or walk instead of mindlessly running in these games.

[EDIT] But just to let you guys know, it is 1080p, max settings, and 60 fps on PC. The quality on the PS3 is drastically different.

killzab
08-25-2014, 05:06 PM
AC I has aged REALLY well, I would dare say it has the best graphics considering the year of its release. On PC easlity bests every other game in the franchise with the exception of AC IIIīs models and some AC IVīs environments.

And I have played every AC on the same relatively high end PC using the same mods.


Agreed !

I felt crazy when ACII came out because I was saying everywhere that I thought it was a downgrade compared to ACI but no one would agree with me, it drove me mad !

What mods do you use ?

jayjay275
08-25-2014, 05:16 PM
AC4 on PS4 looks amazing and on PS3 it still looks great. AA is poor though on PS3 version.

Hans684
08-25-2014, 05:45 PM
“That’s because it’s only the first year of the consoles’ life cycle”.

I kinda said that a few pages back but it doesn't change a thing. I mean graphically PS4 is already better than PS3. I've played both Black Flag versions(and on my X360). You will see the difference when playing AC1 and Black Flag, it's improvement over time. And consider current-gen is better I think most developers focus on details in this generation. In every interview they always show close to the face videos and talk about how much more details they can now add to bring it closer to life. Details is most likely this generations aim.


There it is again. :(

I have to agree with you, graphical improvements need time. The devs need to learn more about how to optimize games for the new and better hardware so that they run smooth with high detail and great graphics. And I think Unity, Far Cry 4, The Order 1886 (exclusive I know) and also Ryse are indeed a good start for the new generation, at least I think so although some of them are still not out. And it will become better and better...

I don't like using the word, it's thrown around like grenades these days.

Indeed but it wouldn't matter if someone agree or disagree. The games themselves and when they where released is proof enough. The Evolution Of Tomb Raider is the perfect example of this. It showes each graphical stage and time is responsible for it(let's not forget their hard work) Unity, Far Cry 4, The Order: 1886 is the first stage of current-gen graphically. Didn't mention Ryse since it was also released on 360 I think, if not it's a first stage to. It will get better, it's a guaranty and time(pluss work) will make it happen.

ACfan443
08-25-2014, 06:06 PM
Yes, I love it very much. It was released early into the PS3ís life span and yet still it looked drastically different from PS2 games. Something that is given as an excuse these days for games that look like past gen and their devs say ďThatís because itís only the first year of the consolesí life cycleĒ.

The PS2->PS3 leap was understandably more impressive than the PS3->PS4 leap, diminishing returns makes it difficult to maintain generational leaps of equal magnitude. (Though some may disagree).


[EDIT] But just to let you guys know, it is 1080p, max settings, and 60 fps on PC. The quality on the PS3 is drastically different.

PS3 version is still impressive looking. And you can't really see a great deal of difference in that video, though I suppose that's down to Youtube's notoriously horrendous encoding offsetting the better visuals.

Megas_Doux
08-25-2014, 06:18 PM
Agreed !

I felt crazy when ACII came out because I was saying everywhere that I thought it was a downgrade compared to ACI but no one would agree with me, it drove me mad !

What mods do you use ?


There not many mods for AC unfortunately, which is kinda sad considering that the environments are pretty original and not your typical modern urban ones, and thus they have a lot potential.... In regards of the colours only, ENB kinda fixes the sometimes exaggerated colour filters,mostly in AC I and AC II, but it works for every AC that runs with directx 9, AC I to ACR. For AC III and AC IV I use the sweet fx.

There is also one 4K textures simulator that is REALLY cool and helps to cover the bad draw distance and the aliasing these games have. Now I play oddly, trying to combine the best from both worlds!
I use a software called PS3axis along with a bluetooth device that allows me to wirelessly use the control like a PS3 while resting from my bed. I connect the PC to my TV, of course haha.

Sesheenku
08-25-2014, 06:34 PM
AC I has aged REALLY well, I would dare say it has the best graphics considering the year of its release. On PC easlity bests every other game in the franchise with the exception of AC IIIīs models and some AC IVīs environments.

And I have played every AC on the same relatively high end PC using the same mods.

Whut... You mean subjectively right?

I mean... this

http://i.imgur.com/nYLmvaI.jpg

is not actually better than this

http://i.imgur.com/WsG1apN.jpg

and a close up of Altairs cloak in AC1 reveals clear as day the difference in textures between 1 and 2, in 1 it looks like it's made of leather. In 2 you can see the individual threads.

What ruins AC2's texture work is 1 -> The HORRIBLE LoD that is activated way too friggin close and is way too strong, shown here.

http://i.imgur.com/rkENbRJ.jpg

as well as the terrible lighting which bleeds onto the textures and burns out their detail. It's not technically a downgrade, they just screwed up on the LoD and the bloom.

Sushiglutton
08-25-2014, 06:41 PM
They really need to release an AC2 remaster for next-gen + PC!

ACfan443
08-25-2014, 06:44 PM
The HORRIBLE LoD that is activated way too friggin close and is way too strong, shown here.

http://i.imgur.com/rkENbRJ.jpg

as well as the terrible lighting which bleeds onto the textures and burns out their detail. It's not technically a downgrade, they just screwed up on the LoD and the bloom.

It's at its absolute worst when you're on a tall building and overlooking the city, the sim-like buildings and cartoonish facades are so unsightly. ACB and ACR hugely improved upon LoD though.


They really need to release an AC2 remaster for next-gen + PC!

I'd love an AC1 and AC2 remaster.

Megas_Doux
08-25-2014, 06:50 PM
Whut... You mean subjectively right?

I mean... this

http://i.imgur.com/nYLmvaI.jpg

is not actually better than this

http://i.imgur.com/WsG1apN.jpg

and a close up of Altairs cloak in AC1 reveals clear as day the difference in textures between 1 and 2, in 1 it looks like it's made of leather. In 2 you can see the individual threads.

What ruins AC2's texture work is 1 -> The HORRIBLE LoD that is activated way too friggin close and is way too strong, shown here.
[/SPOILER]

as well as the terrible lighting which bleeds onto the textures and burns out their detail. It's not technically a downgrade, they just screwed up on the LoD and the bloom.
AC I has a great the lightning, shadows, but more importantly: Its art direction and performance. And again, I know is purely subjective, but AC I had a MUCH greater impact on me in its time than ACRīs. I saw both and have played BOTH on high end PCīs when they appeared, and AC I was better done for its time.

AC II was a step back: the art direction was less realistic, the shadows were AWFUL and flickering all over the place, the in-game models and facial expressions were also inferior and cartoonish. I know it made the transition to a fixed time to day/night cycle, but the lightning and draw distancee were below AC īs too.

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 07:08 PM
They really need to release an AC2 remaster for next-gen + PC!

I second that. I believe a PS4 remaster of the Anthology collection will be a dream-come-true to any Assassin’s Creed fan. I mean I do have all the games in their retail copies and I have the Anthology box set and now I want it remastered for PS4. It’s like an important nerve in my life haha.

pacmanate
08-25-2014, 07:11 PM
I second that. I believe a PS4 remaster of the Anthology collection will be a dream-come-true to any Assassin’s Creed fan. I mean I do have all the games in their retail copies and I have the Anthology box set and now I want it remastered for PS4. It’s like an important nerve in my life haha.

Well you're an Ezio fanboy :p so of course you would like that. I, personally don't care.

ACfan443
08-25-2014, 09:14 PM
New Gameinformer video, this one focuses on the crowd and AI.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/08/25/watch-the-largest-crowd-assembled-in-assassins-creed-unity.aspx?utm_content=bufferb46b2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Edit:
So...is someone going to make a thread?

RinoTheBouncer
08-25-2014, 10:28 PM
Well you're an Ezio fanboy :p so of course you would like that. I, personally don't care.
Well to say a fanboy is an underestimation cause when I see I’m like “Last night, I was thinking about you, and it was kind of dirty”. Haha
Still the box set has Connor and Altair as well. I love the whole Desmond saga, so damn much!